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Dallas Turner Nov 6, 2024 19:34:43 GMT -6

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Nov 6, 2024 16:40:15 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Nov 6, 2024 12:30:08 GMT -6 stout93 said:

Didn't we all say that Barr being used as a hybrid and not straight pass rusher was the wrong decision???

And now we're saying we're OK with Turner being turned into that same role?

That's apples and oranges, Barr was an off-ball LB for Zimmer whereas fans wanted him to be a full-time edge rusher. For Turner, either way he is still an edge rusher first but the question is how much is he dropping back into coverage and playing like a hybrid LB at times.

For reference, Van Ginkel is dropping back in coverage about 37% of the time while Greenard is dropping back 11%. That's about the discrepancy we're talking about.

AVG is just a special type of player and I see no evidence Flores needs an edge rushers dropping into coverage at the rate AVG does. Whenever AVG has not been on his team, his edges drop back into coverage higher than a typical 3-4, but closer to that 11% rate Greenard does. Wonnum played that role for most of last year for instance, and dropped back at around a 11% rate. In 2018 in NE the most coverage snaps by an edge was 27. In 2019 in Miami, prior to Van Ginkle taking a larger role in the defense, Vince Biegel dropped back 11%. Then in 2020, AVG took over and that number jumped up to 15% for him, and in 2021 it jumped to 21%. Then Flores was fired and AVG was in coverage on 27% of his snaps in 2022 and 20% in 2023 with a different DC.

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Dallas Turner Nov 6, 2024 19:35:18 GMT -6 via mobile

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Nov 6, 2024 19:19:44 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Nov 6, 2024 11:30:13 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

In Flores' system. This is where you chronically make the same mistake with your data over and over again. You generically apply historical data to the current situation while ignoring context.

Brian was a scout. A DC for a dynasty. Is currently the highest rated DC in the League. He wanted Turner. He's using Turner like he uses AVG: a hybrid OLB/ILB. A role your data points factually don't account for because you are using players like Hunter who almost never drop into coverage.

Most of us want Dallas used more and as a traditional Edge. Brian wants him to learn and play a dual role in one of the more complicated schemes seen in recent memory. In that context, being just 21 years old absolutely matters.

Except Flores was perfectly fine using him primarily as a pass rusher week 1, and when he was pretty bad in that game, with Jones playing well, he was relegated to the bench and special teams.

This has nothing to do with Flores' scheme, nothing to do with him wanting Turner to drop into coverage more, this has everything to do with Flores thinking Jones is better at rushing the passer than Turner. With Cashman back, Jones continuing to suck, and Turner looking good in limited pass rush snaps, he will rush the passer more in the coming game. All of this at the age of 21.

They say age ain’t nothing but a number. Also this is a young man’s game. If some can play at 21 means we can’t use that excuse. There are tons of examples too.

I was once told to be patient with guys like Cine and Booth too and we know how that ended.

Turner is already above them all it took was one play. Turner fine as long as it picks up like it did this past week and week 1. At least last week he did play.

I’m not counting sacks because historically some guys don’t get like 10 early. 4 or 5 will due with flashes. What we want is reps. Hopefully that stays where we just saw it.

This under Jones though nope… Would Bosa, Parsons, Hutch etc etc sit behind Jones all year as rookies. We all should know the answer to that. So I want a pass of Jones this year. This past week was in the right direction so Skol to that.

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