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Dallas Turner Nov 5, 2024 19:59:43 GMT -6 via mobile

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Nov 5, 2024 19:39:23 GMT -6 TAFKASP said:

Nov 5, 2024 18:56:00 GMT -6 Drank said:

Okay it was 4 picks. So I guess a EV talent at least.

Then again I will keep an eye on other defenders at rusher and CB picked in the same area. He has to be good though imo then again that’s for all 1st rounders. So at least be good. Somehow I thought it was 6 picks. I mistakenly thought it was 6.

They traded a a couple of those picks to get the extra 1st in the hope of moving up for a QB. They then added a bit to get up for Turner, it's crazy to blame that on him. Would they have made those moves for Turner alone, unlikely, but once the first trade was made and they couldn't get their QB, they moved for the next best option.

He is either a good pick or not, draft capital is irrelevant IMO.

I’m not blaming him and he should turn out. I’m blaming them though is IF he don’t. I don’t blame Cine nor Booth nor Treadwell on and on. They didn’t make the pick.

Turner needs to be good though or it was a bad pick. Y’all act like I hate the guy. Love or not it’s about performing. I would cut my own child if I had too. That’s why if you my friend or especially family, I don’t do business with you. I don’t get people I know hired at my job neither. I don’t mix business with those I love.Business and personal relationships are completely separate for me it’s a code I live by. So this never personal strictly business.

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Nov 5, 2024 19:39:23 GMT -6 TAFKASP said:

Nov 5, 2024 18:56:00 GMT -6 Drank said:

Okay it was 4 picks. So I guess a EV talent at least.

Then again I will keep an eye on other defenders at rusher and CB picked in the same area. He has to be good though imo then again that’s for all 1st rounders. So at least be good. Somehow I thought it was 6 picks. I mistakenly thought it was 6.

They traded a a couple of those picks to get the extra 1st in the hope of moving up for a QB. They then added a bit to get up for Turner, it's crazy to blame that on him. Would they have made those moves for Turner alone, unlikely, but once the first trade was made and they couldn't get their QB, they moved for the next best option.

He is either a good pick or not, draft capital is irrelevant IMO.

So your expectations early is the same for a first or seven? Initially not me I picked a guy higher because I think he’s better. That is why we have pay scales. Now after I draft you I’m playing who is best for my team at all times. BFlo does that too so yeah. No politics after we hit the field, however every pick should not have the same early expectations. Because if I covet you I get you early later I’m taking a flier on guys. First few rounds I don’t want fliers I want plans and earlier the better.

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Dallas Turner Nov 5, 2024 20:22:50 GMT -6 via mobile

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Business- I hire you to do a job or one hires me. If I can’t do the job I lose my job. That would not make me want to go off. I can say I couldn’t do it.

Personal- you call me a batch and spit in my face. Or disrespect someone who is my people that’s personal. I’m going to take issue with that.

In the realm of football it’s not personal it’s business. I trained but never coached my kids why. Because that’s business starting playing time etc etc… I rather not be position to say you not starting.All guys have to perform or I want you gone. You get a few years to figure it out and that’s how it goes.

FTR my babies cold at sports they started always. But that’s business I never wanted to make that call. So no business decisions on my family. So I stay away from coaching any of there teams.

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Dallas Turner Nov 6, 2024 4:28:02 GMT -6 via mobile

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Nov 5, 2024 19:59:43 GMT -6 Drank said:

Nov 5, 2024 19:39:23 GMT -6 TAFKASP said:

They traded a a couple of those picks to get the extra 1st in the hope of moving up for a QB. They then added a bit to get up for Turner, it's crazy to blame that on him. Would they have made those moves for Turner alone, unlikely, but once the first trade was made and they couldn't get their QB, they moved for the next best option.

He is either a good pick or not, draft capital is irrelevant IMO.

I’m not blaming him and he should turn out. I’m blaming them though is IF he don’t. I don’t blame Cine nor Booth nor Treadwell on and on. They didn’t make the pick.

Turner needs to be good though or it was a bad pick. Y’all act like I hate the guy. Love or not it’s about performing. I would cut my own child if I had too. That’s why if you my friend or especially family, I don’t do business with you. I don’t get people I know hired at my job neither. I don’t mix business with those I love.Business and personal relationships are completely separate for me it’s a code I live by. So this never personal strictly business.

and it's way too early to even be discussing the IF. He's 21 and just had a good game and has already shown more than Cine or Treadwell. Maybe just let it play out and see how things turn out. We are 6-2 with a really good defense.

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Dallas Turner Nov 6, 2024 5:11:14 GMT -6 via mobile

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Nov 6, 2024 4:28:02 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Nov 5, 2024 19:59:43 GMT -6 Drank said:

I’m not blaming him and he should turn out. I’m blaming them though is IF he don’t. I don’t blame Cine nor Booth nor Treadwell on and on. They didn’t make the pick.

Turner needs to be good though or it was a bad pick. Y’all act like I hate the guy. Love or not it’s about performing. I would cut my own child if I had too. That’s why if you my friend or especially family, I don’t do business with you. I don’t get people I know hired at my job neither. I don’t mix business with those I love.Business and personal relationships are completely separate for me it’s a code I live by. So this never personal strictly business.

and it's way too early to even be discussing the IF. He's 21 and just had a good game and has already shown more than Cine or Treadwell. Maybe just let it play out and see how things turn out. We are 6-2 with a really good defense.

The age thing is irrelevant. Plenty of 21 year old edge defenders who have had plenty of success in this league.

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Dallas Turner Nov 6, 2024 5:19:55 GMT -6 via mobile

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Nov 6, 2024 5:11:14 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Nov 6, 2024 4:28:02 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

and it's way too early to even be discussing the IF. He's 21 and just had a good game and has already shown more than Cine or Treadwell. Maybe just let it play out and see how things turn out. We are 6-2 with a really good defense.

The age thing is irrelevant. Plenty of 21 year old edge defenders who have had plenty of success in this league.

and he had success on Sunday didn't he? And the age thing is relevant especially considering he just turned 21 earlier this year and plays for Brian Flores

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dougpaschal Team Captain Posts: 1,784 Likes: 460	Dallas Turner Nov 6, 2024 9:17:25 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by dougpaschal on Nov 6, 2024 9:17:25 GMT -6 Turner is an elite talent that was available to the Vikings only because of a extraordinary set of circumstances P.Jones also played good. Whenever he was singled he able to pressure Flacco

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Nov 6, 2024 9:17:25 GMT -6 dougpaschal said:

Turner is an elite talent that was available to the Vikings only because of a extraordinary set of circumstances

P.Jones also played good. Whenever he was singled he able to pressure Flacco

So he was only singled one time?

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Nov 6, 2024 5:19:55 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Nov 6, 2024 5:11:14 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

The age thing is irrelevant. Plenty of 21 year old edge defenders who have had plenty of success in this league.

and he had success on Sunday didn't he? And the age thing is relevant especially considering he just turned 21 earlier this year and plays for Brian Flores

It would be relevant if there was any historical evidence 21 year old rookie edge rushers struggle more than 22 or 23 year old ones.

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Nov 6, 2024 10:06:28 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Nov 6, 2024 5:19:55 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

and he had success on Sunday didn't he? And the age thing is relevant especially considering he just turned 21 earlier this year and plays for Brian Flores

It would be relevant if there was any historical evidence 21 year old rookie edge rushers struggle more than 22 or 23 year old ones.

history doesn't develop players. Coaches do.

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Nov 6, 2024 10:06:28 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Nov 6, 2024 5:19:55 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

and he had success on Sunday didn't he? And the age thing is relevant especially considering he just turned 21 earlier this year and plays for Brian Flores

It would be relevant if there was any historical evidence 21 year old rookie edge rushers struggle more than 22 or 23 year old ones.

In Flores' system. This is where you chronically make the same mistake with your data over and over again. You generically apply historical data to the current situation while ignoring context.

Brian was a scout. A DC for a dynasty. Is currently the highest rated DC in the League. He wanted Turner. He's using Turner like he uses AVG: a hybrid OLB/ILB. A role your data points factually don't account for because you are using players like Hunter who almost never drop into coverage.

Most of us want Dallas used more and as a traditional Edge. Brian wants him to learn and play a dual role in one of the more complicated schemes seen in recent memory. In that context, being just 21 years old absolutely matters.

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stout93 Backup Posts: 409 Likes: 214	Dallas Turner Nov 6, 2024 12:30:08 GMT -6 ratsalad likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by stout93 on Nov 6, 2024 12:30:08 GMT -6 Didn't we all say that Barr being used as a hybrid and not straight pass rusher was the wrong decision??? And now we're saying we're OK with Turner being turned into that same role?

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Nov 6, 2024 12:30:08 GMT -6 stout93 said:

Didn't we all say that Barr being used as a hybrid and not straight pass rusher was the wrong decision???

And now we're saying we're OK with Turner being turned into that same role?

That's apples and oranges, Barr was an off-ball LB for Zimmer whereas fans wanted him to be a full-time edge rusher. For Turner, either way he is still an edge rusher first but the question is how much is he dropping back into coverage and playing like a hybrid LB at times.

For reference, Van Ginkel is dropping back in coverage about 37% of the time while Greenard is dropping back 11%. That's about the discrepancy we're talking about.

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Nov 6, 2024 12:30:08 GMT -6 stout93 said:

Didn't we all say that Barr being used as a hybrid and not straight pass rusher was the wrong decision???

And now we're saying we're OK with Turner being turned into that same role?

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Agreed. This is all fiddle f*cking around. Flores scheme isn't the be all end all. He might not even be here next year which means 1 year of Turners contract wasted.

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Nov 6, 2024 11:30:13 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Nov 6, 2024 10:06:28 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

It would be relevant if there was any historical evidence 21 year old rookie edge rushers struggle more than 22 or 23 year old ones.

In Flores' system. This is where you chronically make the same mistake with your data over and over again. You generically apply historical data to the current situation while ignoring context.

Brian was a scout. A DC for a dynasty. Is currently the highest rated DC in the League. He wanted Turner. He's using Turner like he uses AVG: a hybrid OLB/ILB. A role your data points factually don't account for because you are using players like Hunter who almost never drop into coverage.

Most of us want Dallas used more and as a traditional Edge. Brian wants him to learn and play a dual role in one of the more complicated schemes seen in recent memory. In that context, being just 21 years old absolutely matters.

Except Flores was perfectly fine using him primarily as a pass rusher week 1, and when he was pretty bad in that game, with Jones playing well, he was relegated to the bench and special teams.

This has nothing to do with Flores' scheme, nothing to do with him wanting Turner to drop into coverage more, this has everything to do with Flores thinking Jones is better at rushing the passer than Turner. With Cashman back, Jones continuing to suck, and Turner looking good in limited pass rush snaps, he will rush the passer more in the coming game. All of this at the age of 21.