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Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Sept 28, 2022 12:53:49 GMT -6 via mobile

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Sept 28, 2022 12:41:21 GMT -6 Krauser said:

Sept 28, 2022 12:13:15 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

That's not dissimilar to what the Cowboys spent when they assembled a Line that was easily the best in Football at the time. Minnesota isn't even 16th, which is the very definition of meh.

They're playing better than the 19th spot where Sam Monson ranks them so far. They're 15th by team pass block grade and 4th by team run block grade, despite facing two of the best DL in the league in Green Bay and Philadelphia.

4/5 of the Vikings OL are on rookie contracts. They haven't hit their ceiling yet. Ingram has barely gotten his feet wet.

Compared to starters (50%+ snaps) drafted since 2019:
Darrisaw 5th of 28 tackles
Cleveland 8th and Ingram 21st of 33 guards
Bradbury 3rd of 12 centers

I can understand expecting the OL to be a weakness coming into the year. But watching the games, it's clear they've improved considerably.

I agree with everything you just said. They do look better than their PFF grades to date. And there is still room to grow for Darrisaw, Cleveland and Ingram.

But that amount of Draft Capital should yield a Top 5 Unit sooner than later. Frankly, I'd be over the moon if this group got close to Top 10.

Meanwhile, the Front 7 is what, 75% Free Agent Signings? And the only drafted talent that profiles to replace a Starter is Asamoah. There are literally no IDL on the Roster to replace Tomlinson if he gets too pricey. They obviously also don't have a legit DE to play next to Dalvin and Harrison.

All those O-Line picks Rick made came at the expense of the Front 7.

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Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Sept 28, 2022 12:57:46 GMT -6 FSUVike likes this

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Sept 28, 2022 12:41:21 GMT -6 Krauser said:

Sept 28, 2022 12:13:15 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

That's not dissimilar to what the Cowboys spent when they assembled a Line that was easily the best in Football at the time. Minnesota isn't even 16th, which is the very definition of meh.

They're playing better than the 19th spot where Sam Monson ranks them so far. They're 15th by team pass block grade and 4th by team run block grade, despite facing two of the best DL in the league in Green Bay and Philadelphia.

4/5 of the Vikings OL are on rookie contracts. They haven't hit their ceiling yet. Ingram has barely gotten his feet wet.

Compared to starters (50%+ snaps) drafted since 2019:
Darrisaw 5th of 28 tackles
Cleveland 8th and Ingram 21st of 33 guards
Bradbury 3rd of 12 centers

I can understand expecting the OL to be a weakness coming into the year. But watching the games, it's clear they've improved considerably.

Seems Monson needs to work on his math. 15th pass and 4th run equates to 19th overall?

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Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Sept 28, 2022 14:12:55 GMT -6 FSUVike and lostdonkey like this

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Post by Krauser on Sept 28, 2022 14:12:55 GMT -6

Sept 28, 2022 12:53:49 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

But that amount of Draft Capital should yield a Top 5 Unit sooner than later. Frankly, I'd be over the moon if this group got close to Top 10.

They should be top 10-12 by the end of this year. I think they're quite a bit better than some of the OL listed ahead of them

Sept 28, 2022 12:53:49 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Meanwhile, the Front 7 is what, 75% Free Agent Signings? And the only drafted talent that profiles to replace a Starter is Asamoah. There are literally no IDL on the Roster to replace Tomlinson if he gets too pricey. They obviously also don't have a legit DE to play next to Dalvin and Harrison.

The front 7 does need to be revamped going forward but they're not in such terrible shape for this year and next (Tomlinson will get extended). The big investments this year were in the secondary, which was in even worse shape otherwise.

The defensive front has held up pretty well. They faced 3 of the best OL (Eagles 1st, Lions 5th and Packers 6th in the PFF rankings) while playing the lightest boxes in the league. The problems have been with gaps in the coverage on the back end, which probably show some challenges adjusting to the zone scheme.

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Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Sept 28, 2022 14:44:10 GMT -6 via Tapatalk

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Post by pinfante79 on Sept 28, 2022 14:44:10 GMT -6

Sept 27, 2022 6:22:10 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Sept 27, 2022 5:56:35 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

When you really think about it ,KJ Osborne aside, in the 2020 and 2021 NFL draft has any team in the NFL walked away with two single pieces that will have a lasting impact as good as Jefferson and Darrisaw?

I'll hang up and listen...

Joe Burrow/Ja'Mare Chase
Justin Herbert/Slater
Diggs/Parsons or Lamb/Parsons

Other nice duos off the top of my head: Wirfs/Winfield and Tua/Waddle

None of those teams needed to trade a top 5 WR to get those guys either.

Lol.... That is irrelevant. Diggs wanted out and you literally couldn't of come out of that situation any better. Just stop... That's silly.

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Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Nov 8, 2022 10:09:40 GMT -6

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Post by Funkytown on Nov 8, 2022 10:09:40 GMT -6

Aug 8, 2022 4:48:54 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

If Darrisaw turns into a perennial pro bowl LT then Rick really left us a couple gifts with Jefferson and Darrisaw in his last two drafts. Having a generational WR and pro bowl LT would pay dividends for as much as a decade and really will help the transition to a new QB in 2024. (Albeit if we are a good team still I'd bring in the next retread rather than risk it with a rookie, but I guess that's a conversation for another day)

andhesloose28 Franchise Player Posts: 3,034 Likes: 2,155	Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Nov 8, 2022 10:33:56 GMT -6 comet52 likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by andhesloose28 on Nov 8, 2022 10:33:56 GMT -6 If Darrisaw was Ricks guy he would've take him at #14!!! You dont pass on a elite LT please stop giving that man any credit.

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Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Nov 8, 2022 18:48:40 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan, Purple Pain, and 1 more like this

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Nov 8, 2022 10:33:56 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

If Darrisaw was Ricks guy he would've take him at #14!!! You dont pass on a elite LT (roflmao)

please stop giving that man any credit.

B-B-But teams wouldn't draft him because of the injury... that nobody ever mentioned once in the pre-draft process. Yeah, funny how narratives work. Once he starts missing games people declare him a bust and conjure up reasons why other GMs were smart to avoid him, now he dominates and Spielman is stupid for not taking him at #14. It's almost like there's a large degree of randomness to it all...

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Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Nov 9, 2022 6:48:18 GMT -6

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Post by andhesloose28 on Nov 9, 2022 6:48:18 GMT -6

Nov 8, 2022 18:48:40 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Nov 8, 2022 10:33:56 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

If Darrisaw was Ricks guy he would've take him at #14!!! You dont pass on a elite LT (roflmao)

please stop giving that man any credit.

B-B-But teams wouldn't draft him because of the injury... that nobody ever mentioned once in the pre-draft process. Yeah, funny how narratives work. Once he starts missing games people declare him a bust and conjure up reasons why other GMs were smart to avoid him, now he dominates and Spielman is stupid for not taking him at #14. It's almost like there's a large degree of randomness to it all...

Oh I agree draft is mostly random and luck. My point is Rick traded back in that first round not caring if Darrisaw was there, and quite frankly he shouldn't have been. I remember being very stressed about it. Maybe just because I wanted Darrisaw at 14 im thinking like this.

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Rick Spielman's parting gifts... Nov 9, 2022 10:46:13 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan likes this

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Nov 8, 2022 18:48:40 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Nov 8, 2022 10:33:56 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

If Darrisaw was Ricks guy he would've take him at #14!!! You dont pass on a elite LT (roflmao)

please stop giving that man any credit.

B-B-But teams wouldn't draft him because of the injury... that nobody ever mentioned once in the pre-draft process. Yeah, funny how narratives work. Once he starts missing games people declare him a bust and conjure up reasons why other GMs were smart to avoid him, now he dominates and Spielman is stupid for not taking him at #14. It's almost like there's a large degree of randomness to it all...

Randomness indeed. The fact that fans still take jabs at Ricky for selecting Justin Jefferson and Christian Darrisaw is beyond me. *eyeroll*

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