Packers hire Joe Philbin, Mike Pettine as coordinators

Philbin looks like a good fit, returning to an old role. Will wait and see on the Packer defense, which has been lacking in talent.

These are uninspiring retreads, I think. McCarthy is still there like a tumor, as well. May the death spiral continue!

I dont care about Philbin, but Pettine is a solid coordinator who knows how to get the most out of his D's.

I think we can assume a rain check on the death spiral until Aaron gets out of our divisions hair.

Mike McCarthy was hired almost entirely on his accumen with QBs, he was hired with his pairing of Rodgers in mind. Likewise, QB development was always considered his forte throughout his career as a QB coach and offensive coordinator.

As previously stated, he completely overhauled Aaron Rodgers throwing motion and mechanics.

GB has to use nearly half of their available cap space on Aaron Rodgers and don't have the cash to alot to other areas of the team, it shouldnt be any surprise that they have issues when nearly half pf their cap space (And the engine to a very complicated and demanding Packers O) are out of action.

Prior to Aaron Rodgers commanding the type of money he demands now, the Dom Capers defenses were very good.

2009 Dom Capers D: 2nd total defense, 7th scoring defense.

2010 Dom Capers D: 5th total defense, 2nd scoring defense.

Both years outranking their offensive counterpart, the second of which directly won 3 of their 4 postseason games with game ending defensive turnovers.

Despite this monetary discrepancy in alottable resources, GB does consistently manage to put a good O line around Rodgers (Wasnt always how it was) and also supplying him wit worthwhile WRs.

All cheating aside its pretty silly to fault a team for not being the Patriots. No onr is the Patriots except the Patriots. Makes even less sense when your faulting the next closest thing, as GB has clearly been the second most succesful franchise in the league this decade.

The NFL North has actually been possibly the best division in football this past decade. Dude honestly you just want to stop here because your going to find the numbers completely contradict you.

They didn't just happen upon Rodgers and Favre, the ACQUIRED both of them. So even if all their success hinged upon those two acquisitions alone, it still wouldn't matter.

All it would mean is that through fantastic QB evaluation alone, GB achieved two super bowl victories over the past 25 years, a feat outdone only by the Patriots. Listen, I'll take only being good at one thing too if it gets two Championships.

But at any rate, I'm not sure that it is even applicable to GB. Not only was their 2010 D ranked higher then the O (With Rodgers being 28-11 TD to INT ratio abd under 100 passer rating)...

But Favres ALWAYS had fantastic defenses in the 90s, his only SB win came with the number one rated D that set a record for least TDs allowed in a season.

Favre hardly displayed himself as worthy of assuming multiple SB wins, Favre was a choker to the ninth degree and it's not like he lights up the statbook in anything save for volume. He was a great, a HOFer, but one SB seems about right for his level of greatness, and he was lucky to have had a great D, special teams and run game an route to that one.

They have literally never done worse (outside of this year where Rodgers got hurt) then 10-6 and in the playoffs since Rodgers first year starting, even making the playoffs one of the years he got injured. Even when they do go 10-6 They end up in the NFCCG.

Yea, the stench of two SB wins, oh the agony! Lol, see my above points for why that nonsense caricature is wrong.

I said in the last decade, thus anything pre 2008 is utterly irrelevant, and as the numbers show, the NFCN has been one of the league's better division since then, and I do believe has had more multi playoff team seasons then any division in football in that time span.

2017: Rodgers cap hit: $20.56M, which is 12.64% of the Packers cap. By the way if you add up Bradford + Keenum + Bridgewater's contracts they're greater than Rodgers' salary ($21.35M total). Rodgers' salary is not an excuse to skimp on other parts of the team.

One of the reasons why they didn't have much cap space was because they spent too much on WRs (Cobb $12.7M, Nelson $12.5M, Adams $10.5M).

What are you even arguing? Lol it seems you literally just admitted the NFCN has been very good in terms of providing playoffs teams.

I literally stated that i was reffering only to the Packers in the McCarthy era.

Idk why you bring up faith, your baseless faith in scientifically and philosophically impossible presuppositions has no place in this conversation.