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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Feb 21, 2024 13:13:20 GMT -6 via mobile andhesloose28 likes this

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Feb 21, 2024 12:50:55 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

Feb 21, 2024 12:29:46 GMT -6 mikenessfan said:

And my rebuttal to that would be are we truly competing to win in 2024? Like are we going to realistically win some playoff games this upcoming year? Or is it to put on a front the team is ok with winning 8-9 games? Because after this year the cap space if we don’t bring back kirk or Danielle is going to be massive like top 5 big. If we are sold on a qb that he is going to be a top 10 potentially top 5 qb of the nfl for a long long time it would be worth the trade up for. I’m not saying give away 4 first round picks, but I am saying if we are sold on one of the top 3 qbs and it will be a tough plate of vegetables to eat, we might have to pinch the nose and open wide. Because once you get those veggies in you, your body will be thanking you in the future.

Oh in none of my scenarios are we going to compete in 2024 (realistically) I guess their is always the Stroud chance last year, but yes im fine if we "suck" in 2024. I dont want to bring back Hunter and Kirk and I think thats the only way we do have a possible shot in 2024. I think that would be a mistake. Clean our books take both of their dead cap hits in 2024 and lets roll in 2025, thats my starter to any scenario.

Thats why I said I get it you have a bunch of cap space to fill these holes, but again assuming your giving up your 2nd this year no matter what in any trade up, (you have no third) and then possibly your first next year it does make me hesitant. Those are meat and potatoes picks, and you are already playing catch up from a huge botched 22' draft. That Dline is going to be brutal, legit no talent and those guys dont grow on trees you have to use high capital to get them for the most part which we havent in years. You have no starting LG under contract, and I think its time to replace Bradbury as well. Nothing is going to be a year fix , and I dont think its ideal to build a team thru FA which is what we would be relying on giving up big draft capital.

You cant just say oh well we dont hit our draft picks anyway..which is true for the most part but its the reason we are in the position we are in. Kirks cap hit hasnt helped but this team has drafted poorly for the most part for years. Havent nailed a class since 2015, obviously few hits here or there and big ones in JJ and Darrisaw. But you need more starters or at least depth out of these classes. Im sure most have done it or know them but seriously go back and look at the drafts we've had since 2016. Its brutal

I get that point of view. We do need as many picks to rebuild. But getting a young top 10 potentially top 5 NFL qb for many many years would make rebuilding much easier. The point is to make sure you got the right qb.

As for the stroud comment, the problem there is Houston was coached very poorly prior to Ryans coming there. In addition to that their defense has much more talent than ours does. It’s not an apples to apples comparison but I get what you are talking about.

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Feb 21, 2024 12:20:43 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

I think the Chiefs and Bills overall were a lot better overall teams at the time. Really just a QB away,

The Bills certainly weren't a "QB away" when they took Allen in the 2018 Draft. Yes, they backed-into the Playoffs in 2017 in Year 1 of McDermott/Beane w/ Tyrod Taylor under center, but they essentially "cleaned house" in the offseason and didn't have much to work with on the offensive side of the ball outside of Allen and LeSean McCoy. Remember the Week 3 game in US Bank where Allen and a bunch of nobodies on offense came into US Bank as heavy underdogs (16.5 underdogs to be exact, and anything over double-digits is big) and Kirk and the Vikings completely laid an egg and lost 27-6?

While the Bills did have some players on defense (as a result of McDermott rebuilding it in 2017/2018), it was Allen struggling through the season as they finished 6-10. It wasn't until they started adding pieces around Allen and he had more NFL reps that they took off - they were in the Playoffs in Yr 2 of Allen in 2019 (lost to DeShaun Watson & the Texans in Houston in the Wild Card round) and then made the AFC Championship in Yr 3 where Allen & Mahomes went toe-to-toe in KC.

The 2024 Vikings would certainly have more pieces on offense than what Allen started with in 2018, but would have less pieces on defense until Flores can build it up, which hopefully starts in free agency next month, along with developing some younger players on the roster, along with adjustments to his scheme.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Feb 21, 2024 13:49:48 GMT -6

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Feb 21, 2024 13:20:22 GMT -6 Uncle said:

Feb 21, 2024 12:20:43 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

I think the Chiefs and Bills overall were a lot better overall teams at the time. Really just a QB away,

The Bills certainly weren't a "QB away" when they took Allen in the 2018 Draft. Yes, they backed-into the Playoffs in 2017 in Year 1 of McDermott/Beane w/ Tyrod Taylor under center, but they essentially "cleaned house" in the offseason and didn't have much to work with on the offensive side of the ball outside of Allen and LeSean McCoy. Remember the Week 3 game in US Bank where Allen and a bunch of nobodies on offense came into US Bank as heavy underdogs (16.5 underdogs to be exact, and anything over double-digits is big) and Kirk and the Vikings completely laid an egg and lost 27-6?

While the Bills did have some players on defense (as a result of McDermott rebuilding it in 2017/2018), it was Allen struggling through the season as they finished 6-10. It wasn't until they started adding pieces around Allen and he had more NFL reps that they took off - they were in the Playoffs in Yr 2 of Allen in 2019 (lost to DeShaun Watson & the Texans in Houston in the Wild Card round) and then made the AFC Championship in Yr 3 where Allen & Mahomes went toe-to-toe in KC.

The 2024 Vikings would certainly have more pieces on offense than what Allen started with in 2018, but would have less pieces on defense until Flores can build it up, which hopefully starts in free agency next month, along with developing some younger players on the roster, along with adjustments to his scheme.

Either way both teams have absolutely been nailing draft picks since, and calculated FA signings AND they got the cherry on top with actually hitting on the QB. It can obviously be done but its going to take a flawless effort afterwards as well. It would be huge to be the NFC team to do this at this point.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Feb 21, 2024 19:38:31 GMT -6

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Feb 21, 2024 10:23:50 GMT -6 indianavikes said:

Feb 20, 2024 22:06:34 GMT -6 Uncle said:

I actually thought of another trade-up scenario that lands a different QB...

Let's say the Bears do what the Texans did last year and "double-dip" in the Top 3: use the #1 overall pick for QB Caleb Williams and when Washington selects QB Jayden Daniels #2 overall, Chicago then trades up from #9 to #3 with New England and uses QB Justin Fields as the compensation and selects WR Marin Harrison, Jr. to pair with Williams...

Now Arizona is on the clock at #4 and with Harrison, Jr. off the board, they start fielding calls to trade down. Of course, with QB Drake Maye on the boarrd, there are multiple teams calling them, one them being Kwesi and the Vikings. Since it was reported that Minnesota attempted to work with Arizona last Draft to move up for a QB, they already have some familiarity with each other. One reason why the trade last year probably didn't happen is that Arizona didn't want to drop that far back in the 1st (23rd overall), but #11 overall is a much more comfortable position to drop.

To see how much that might cost the Vikings to move up to #4, let's look back at what the 49ers gave up to move up from #12 to #3 prior to the 2021 Draft:

San Francisco received:
2021 Pick #3 (Rd 1): 514 pts
Total pts: 514 pts

Miami received:
2021 Pick #12 (Rd 1): 347 pts
2022 Pick #29 (Rd 1): 202 pts
2022 Pick #101 (Rd 3): 34 pts
2023 Pick #29 (Rd 1): 202 pts
Total pts: 785 pts

The 271 pt differential is overstated due to the lesser value that future picks have, but there is still a "tax" on moving up in Rd 1 for a QB, especially in the Top 5 and especially well before the Draft (the trade occurred on 3/26/21 - nearly 2 months before Day 1 of the 2021 Draft). The Vikings would be moving up 2 less positions (#11 to #4 instead of #12 to #3) and they would be doing so on Draft night, so there's a bit "less" time for Arizona to work the trade value charts and maximize the total return.

A potential trade-up scenario to #4 might look something like this:

MIN receives:
2024 Pick #4 (Rd 1): 491 pts
2024 Pick #66 (Rd 3): 76 pts
Total pts: 567 pts

ARI receives:
2024 Pick #11 (Rd 1): 358 pts
2024 Pick #42 (Rd 2): 142 pts
2025 Pick #18 (Rd 1): 287 pts
Total pts: 787 pts

Minnesota gives Arizona their 1st in 2025 (which I estimated to be around #18 overall) and then they swap Day 2 picks in 2024: Arizona moves up from #66 (top of Rd 3) to Minnesota's spot in Rd 2 at #42 while the Vikings drop 24 spots on Day 2 to the top of Rd 3. That gives Arizona 4 overall picks in the Top 50, another 1st Rd pick next year, and Minnesota receives a Top 5 QB prospect in Drake Maye to pair with O'Connell and their offensive weapons. The Viking's still pay a "QB Tax" like SF did, but not quite as much with only a 220-ot differential vs the 271 pt differential SF "paid" to move up in 2021.

The end result of these two "blockbuster" 2024 Day 1 trades is the following:

Chicago: QB Caleb Williams and WR Marvin Harrison, Jr.
New England: QB Justin Fields and #9 overall pick in 2024 for an OT or WR
Minnesota: QB Drake Maye
Arizona: 4 picks in the Top 50 and an extra 1st in 2025

The NFC North would have the following QB1's: Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Caleb Williams and Drake Maye...

I do not want to give up 2025 1st round pick. What if Vikings get 2015 pick #1 (Rd 1)?

Look what happen to Carolina Panthers! Chicago Bears has Carolina's pick #1 this year.

Thanks for the comp Uncle that was good. That is a heavy heavy price to pay for Drake Maye. The cupboards are so bear and I do believe without Cousins the Vikes are going to have a high top 10 pick next year. Rather than do what you say, I would rather flip Justin Jefferson for the 4th overall.

But the guy I have my eyes on is JJ McCarthy. Some gurus are saying the Giants might take him. But with two stellar offensive tackles there I thing the Giants will go there.

There are a few warts in McCarthy's game tho:
1) He played behind that big Michigan offensive line and he didnt face much pressure. So his stats are padded a little and his stats were not all the rage to begin with.
2) He doesnt make real quick decisions, lots of times he gets fixated on one guy and waits for him to break open.

3) He really doesnt go through his progressions real well.

4) He is pretty narrow and skinny. But he is tough, I just wonder wether he is Kirk Cousins tough. Its pretty tough to tell watching him because he is upright almost all the time.

5) I think he is 3 years away from being mature enough to handle the weight that will be put on his shoulders. He is pretty immature.

I am just trying to prepare myself because I think there is a less than 50 percent chance he is on the board at pick 11.

But if we can get the Falcons to take our second pick to move up three spots I thinks odds of getting him here greatly increase. Word out of Denver is Sean Payton love McCarthy. Smokescreen?

Lets say McCarthy is gone, do we roll the dice with Penix?

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Feb 21, 2024 20:15:51 GMT -6 andhesloose28 likes this

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Feb 21, 2024 19:38:31 GMT -6 sky4it said:

Lets say McCarthy is gone, do we roll the dice with Penix?

One thing the Vikings need to do coming out of the Draft is have some sort of plan at QB beyond whomever is the QB1 at the start of the 2024 season, whether it's Cousins, or Brissett or Russell Wilson....they've been putting-off the QB developmental plan way too long when they should have been doing something about it much sooner instead of Cousins needing Sean Mannion or Trevor Siemien as QB2 to help him in the film room.

All signs point to a QB early in this Draft class...the Front Office turned down an extension last offseason and let Cousins play it out in 2023...they've done advanced scouting on the 2024 QB class, and they seemingly aren't guaranteeing Cousins' camp anything beyond 1 year in terms of an extension...

They tried to move up in the last Draft, but couldn't get a deal done, and so I think they have to identify two sets of QB's: 1) the first set being QB's who you would trade into the Top 10 for, and then 2) if you miss out on those QB's in the Top 10 (and if we believe Thor Nystrom, then Williams, Maye, Daniels & McCarthy all go in the Top 10), they have to identify 2-3 QB's beyond that in the next set they would be comfortable going with. I do think Penix probably fits best of the QB's in that next set - we just need to find out about his medicals...

If they miss out on getting in the Top 10 for a QB, I do think they would look to trade back and accumulate draft capital, as well. I think they try to do that anyway by trading down with their pick in Round 2 w/ a trade back there (depending on how the board falls), but I do think Plan B after any QB misses in Rd 1 would be to trade back, accumulate more Top 100 Draft capital, get the BPA at #11, and then start targeting that next set of QB's...

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Feb 21, 2024 20:47:35 GMT -6 kmillard and andhesloose28 like this

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Feb 21, 2024 20:15:51 GMT -6 Uncle said:

Feb 21, 2024 19:38:31 GMT -6 sky4it said:

Lets say McCarthy is gone, do we roll the dice with Penix?

One thing the Vikings need to do coming out of the Draft is have some sort of plan at QB beyond whomever is the QB1 at the start of the 2024 season, whether it's Cousins, or Brissett or Russell Wilson....they've been putting-off the QB developmental plan way too long when they should have been doing something about it much sooner instead of Cousins needing Sean Mannion or Trevor Siemien as QB2 to help him in the film room.

All signs point to a QB early in this Draft class...the Front Office turned down an extension last offseason and let Cousins play it out in 2023...they've done advanced scouting on the 2024 QB class, and they seemingly aren't guaranteeing Cousins' camp anything beyond 1 year in terms of an extension...

They tried to move up in the last Draft, but couldn't get a deal done, and so I think they have to identify two sets of QB's: 1) the first set being QB's who you would trade into the Top 10 for, and then 2) if you miss out on those QB's in the Top 10 (and if we believe Thor Nystrom, then Williams, Maye, Daniels & McCarthy all go in the Top 10), they have to identify 2-3 QB's beyond that in the next set they would be comfortable going with. I do think Penix probably fits best of the QB's in that next set - we just need to find out about his medicals...

If they miss out on getting in the Top 10 for a QB, I do think they would look to trade back and accumulate draft capital, as well. I think they try to do that anyway by trading down with their pick in Round 2 w/ a trade back there (depending on how the board falls), but I do think Plan B after any QB misses in Rd 1 would be to trade back, accumulate more Top 100 Draft capital, get the BPA at #11, and then start targeting that next set of QB's...

Big red flag with me to trade two number 1's, two number 2's to draft one of the big three. Big no there for selfish reasons, I love the offseason and its a blast being an armchair QB around the draft. I remember the Hershel debacle and two straight years I didnt even pay attention to the draft. Also uncle you guys got the stats, of the big three chances are one is an all pro, one is a serviceable QB and other a bust. You have to nail it if you give up that much capital.

Yes we need to find our QB of the future. Right on trading back from number 11 to get more draft capital, players 11-25 are pretty close especially on defense. I just wish we had tanked after Cousins was injured.

So if we cant move up a couple spots and get McCarthy, I would be satisfied with Penix at NO 11. Super quick release, good decision maker and probably throws a better ball than McCarthy? He has a little slide m0ve he makes in the pocket to buy more time which is very effective. Penix is also a gun slinger wich is so much fun to watch. I think Penix will be there at no 11 so maybe he is our guy. About mcCarthy its pretty hard to get two excited about a guy who throws for around 150 yards per game. Maybe that is not a fluke.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Feb 21, 2024 21:07:07 GMT -6

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Feb 21, 2024 20:15:51 GMT -6 Uncle said:

If they miss out on getting in the Top 10 for a QB, I do think they would look to trade back and accumulate draft capital, as well. I think they try to do that anyway by trading down with their pick in Round 2 w/ a trade back there (depending on how the board falls), but I do think Plan B after any QB misses in Rd 1 would be to trade back, accumulate more Top 100 Draft capital, get the BPA at #11, and then start targeting that next set of QB's...

I'd love to know what QB in this upcoming draft they have their sights on. It will be interesting how the 1st 5 picks play out.

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lets us not get too fixated on the quarterback of the future. That is the mistake of today IMO.

The Vikings have super holes on defense which no quarterback if the future can fix. And I am an old school guy.

Lets suppose we can navigate that 11 th pick into to 2 defensive stallwart And use our 11 th to move back and our second to move up to get Sweat and Murphy out of Texas. This would solidify our defensive line for 10 years and if we resign HUnter the Vikes are in business to be as good of a defense as the 49ers. then we can put cornerback back in the position it deserves to be in and find Carl Lee type players. I mean Sauce Gardner is a super athlete but his injuries negate the guy. Thats what happens in the NFL when you run into guys way stronger than you. No more Mike Zimmer cornerback luv, which really cost the Vikings into there present day problems.

Gimme the big guys up front, this is a better deal than the QB happy league demands today.

Also to amend this thing, Patrick Mahamomes is the best QB ever in his first few years that is history. The kid is that good.But he gets a big boost because Chris Jones is a superstar on defense. I would rather have Chris Jones at 25 million a year than Kirk for about or more than the same. And if Kirk can get more money like 40 million a year for not playing here, I am pissed for all the luv he got here. He should give Minnesota a discount. Here is why: Where is Kirk gonna find receivers and a tight end like Hock and our offensive tackles we got here? These are the strengths of our team. And Kirk's luv for our pathetic center on the OL has gotta go. And QB free agents who wouldnt want to take advantage of that is nuts. Russell Wilson for peanuts here rather than Kirk? If Russ takes 10 mill to sign here I rather have him than Kirk and his really really bad feet. And it could come down to this. The reality is Cousins is a few rungs above Tannehill on the talent scale, hardly worth 40 mill at his age, and with his injury. There are options for free agency that would not be to bad. Good bye KIrk o Chains.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Feb 23, 2024 7:29:55 GMT -6

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Feb 22, 2024 20:35:22 GMT -6 sky4it said:

lets us not get too fixated on the quarterback of the future. That is the mistake of today IMO.

The Vikings have super holes on defense which no quarterback if the future can fix. And I am an old school guy.

Lets suppose we can navigate that 11 th pick into to 2 defensive stallwart And use our 11 th to move back and our second to move up to get Sweat and Murphy out of Texas. This would solidify our defensive line for 10 years and if we resign HUnter the Vikes are in business to be as good of a defense as the 49ers. then we can put cornerback back in the position it deserves to be in and find Carl Lee type players. I mean Sauce Gardner is a super athlete but his injuries negate the guy. Thats what happens in the NFL when you run into guys way stronger than you. No more Mike Zimmer cornerback luv, which really cost the Vikings into there present day problems.

Gimme the big guys up front, this is a better deal than the QB happy league demands today.

Also to amend this thing, Patrick Mahamomes is the best QB ever in his first few years that is history. The kid is that good.But he gets a big boost because Chris Jones is a superstar on defense. I would rather have Chris Jones at 25 million a year than Kirk for about or more than the same. And if Kirk can get more money like 40 million a year for not playing here, I am pissed for all the luv he got here. He should give Minnesota a discount. Here is why: Where is Kirk gonna find receivers and a tight end like Hock and our offensive tackles we got here? These are the strengths of our team. And Kirk's luv for our pathetic center on the OL has gotta go. And QB free agents who wouldnt want to take advantage of that is nuts. Russell Wilson for peanuts here rather than Kirk? If Russ takes 10 mill to sign here I rather have him than Kirk and his really really bad feet. And it could come down to this. The reality is Cousins is a few rungs above Tannehill on the talent scale, hardly worth 40 mill at his age, and with his injury. There are options for free agency that would not be to bad. Good bye KIrk o Chains.

Im with you 100% this is actually my requested route they go unless someone falls to 11..I just dont see it playing out like that unfortunately. If you dont give up capital this year or next I think its the right call to take a QB at #11 assuming you can get one of the top 4, and im high on McCarthy. Either way 2024 is wash in my opinion, youll have your 2nd rounder this year, all your picks next year and 2 possible 3rd round comps, and a boat load of cap space. You can turn this around quickly if done right. Now giving up big capital to move up for the QB im still very on the fence on.

Unfortunately I just dont see Kwesi sitting around and not being aggressive at the QB position in the draft. Lets assume Kirk is gone, Kwesi and Kevin are going into year 3 of 4 year contracts. Your going to go into year 4 of your contract with no real plan at the most importatnt position? I just dont see it happening. You add in the Jefferson factor as well, unless your trading him. You have to pair him with some young prospect now. I think they would have to have assurances from ownership to slow play this. Kevin you could sell me on to keep around but Kwesi hasnt really earned that right, I dont hate him hes cleaned up the books has a chance to really do so this offseason but he needs a big offseason to be kept around. The Wilfs are never afraid of a splash and this is the class to do so I just think everything lines up for them to be aggressive at the position. But I am with ya I would start in the trenches, but unfortunately when your always chasing and never have a clean path this is the end result. They could make it work but they just have little room for error.

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Feb 23, 2024 7:29:55 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

Feb 22, 2024 20:35:22 GMT -6 sky4it said:

lets us not get too fixated on the quarterback of the future. That is the mistake of today IMO.

The Vikings have super holes on defense which no quarterback if the future can fix. And I am an old school guy.

Lets suppose we can navigate that 11 th pick into to 2 defensive stallwart And use our 11 th to move back and our second to move up to get Sweat and Murphy out of Texas. This would solidify our defensive line for 10 years and if we resign HUnter the Vikes are in business to be as good of a defense as the 49ers. then we can put cornerback back in the position it deserves to be in and find Carl Lee type players. I mean Sauce Gardner is a super athlete but his injuries negate the guy. Thats what happens in the NFL when you run into guys way stronger than you. No more Mike Zimmer cornerback luv, which really cost the Vikings into there present day problems.

Gimme the big guys up front, this is a better deal than the QB happy league demands today.

Also to amend this thing, Patrick Mahamomes is the best QB ever in his first few years that is history. The kid is that good.But he gets a big boost because Chris Jones is a superstar on defense. I would rather have Chris Jones at 25 million a year than Kirk for about or more than the same. And if Kirk can get more money like 40 million a year for not playing here, I am pissed for all the luv he got here. He should give Minnesota a discount. Here is why: Where is Kirk gonna find receivers and a tight end like Hock and our offensive tackles we got here? These are the strengths of our team. And Kirk's luv for our pathetic center on the OL has gotta go. And QB free agents who wouldnt want to take advantage of that is nuts. Russell Wilson for peanuts here rather than Kirk? If Russ takes 10 mill to sign here I rather have him than Kirk and his really really bad feet. And it could come down to this. The reality is Cousins is a few rungs above Tannehill on the talent scale, hardly worth 40 mill at his age, and with his injury. There are options for free agency that would not be to bad. Good bye KIrk o Chains.

Im with you 100% this is actually my requested route they go unless someone falls to 11..I just dont see it playing out like that unfortunately. If you dont give up capital this year or next I think its the right call to take a QB at #11 assuming you can get one of the top 4, and im high on McCarthy. Either way 2024 is wash in my opinion, youll have your 2nd rounder this year, all your picks next year and 2 possible 3rd round comps, and a boat load of cap space. You can turn this around quickly if done right. Now giving up big capital to move up for the QB im still very on the fence on.

Unfortunately I just dont see Kwesi sitting around and not being aggressive at the QB position in the draft. Lets assume Kirk is gone, Kwesi and Kevin are going into year 3 of 4 year contracts. Your going to go into year 4 of your contract with no real plan at the most importatnt position? I just dont see it happening. You add in the Jefferson factor as well, unless your trading him. You have to pair him with some young prospect now. I think they would have to have assurances from ownership to slow play this. Kevin you could sell me on to keep around but Kwesi hasnt really earned that right, I dont hate him hes cleaned up the books has a chance to really do so this offseason but he needs a big offseason to be kept around. The Wilfs are never afraid of a splash and this is the class to do so I just think everything lines up for them to be aggressive at the position. But I am with ya I would start in the trenches, but unfortunately when your always chasing and never have a clean path this is the end result. They could make it work but they just have little room for error.

This is a great take, ideally I would like to trade back and build out the trenches and guts of the team. The reality is they don't have the luxury of that. Trenches are very important, but QB is the most important and the hardest to find.

When you don't have a long term QB on the roster and are in range of one you like, then you don't screw around worrying about the price or the other holes on the roster. If you like one and are confident he's your guy then you do what it takes. QB has to take precedence over all. The primary reason the Vikings trophy case is empty is because of the persistent failure to have a long term plan at QB and too often trying to make due or fake it till you make it.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Feb 23, 2024 13:57:18 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by FSUVike on Feb 23, 2024 13:57:18 GMT -6

Feb 21, 2024 19:38:31 GMT -6 sky4it said:

Feb 21, 2024 10:23:50 GMT -6 indianavikes said:

I do not want to give up 2025 1st round pick. What if Vikings get 2015 pick #1 (Rd 1)?

Look what happen to Carolina Panthers! Chicago Bears has Carolina's pick #1 this year.

Thanks for the comp Uncle that was good. That is a heavy heavy price to pay for Drake Maye. The cupboards are so bear and I do believe without Cousins the Vikes are going to have a high top 10 pick next year. Rather than do what you say, I would rather flip Justin Jefferson for the 4th overall.

But the guy I have my eyes on is JJ McCarthy. Some gurus are saying the Giants might take him. But with two stellar offensive tackles there I thing the Giants will go there.

There are a few warts in McCarthy's game tho:
1) He played behind that big Michigan offensive line and he didnt face much pressure. So his stats are padded a little and his stats were not all the rage to begin with.
2) He doesnt make real quick decisions, lots of times he gets fixated on one guy and waits for him to break open.

3) He really doesnt go through his progressions real well.

4) He is pretty narrow and skinny. But he is tough, I just wonder wether he is Kirk Cousins tough. Its pretty tough to tell watching him because he is upright almost all the time.

5) I think he is 3 years away from being mature enough to handle the weight that will be put on his shoulders. He is pretty immature.

I am just trying to prepare myself because I think there is a less than 50 percent chance he is on the board at pick 11.

But if we can get the Falcons to take our second pick to move up three spots I thinks odds of getting him here greatly increase. Word out of Denver is Sean Payton love McCarthy. Smokescreen?

Lets say McCarthy is gone, do we roll the dice with Penix?

I'm curious where your information that McCarthy didn't face much pressure comes from?

Michigan's Offensive Line was really good at run blocking. Their Tackles were bad in Pass Pro. Henderson won't be a Tackle in the NFL and Barnhart won't get drafted. Their Line actually improved after Zinter got hurt when they shuffled Barnhart from RT to LG replace him and brought a backup in at RT.

There's plenty of tape of JJ having to adjust in the pocket or slide outside to avoid near instant pressure.

He actually had more 3rd & 5+ yard throws than Daniels this year and completed them at a higher percentage.

The progressions thing is tough. He had a Day 2 WR and a Day 3 TE and nothing else. There's some nice tape on the Athletic showing him going through reads on multiple plays and nobody is open.

But that breakdown also shows times where he's stuck on his initial 2 reads and misses read #3 being open where JJ opts to throw to a covered guy instead of taking the easy throw...and makes the completion anyway because of arm talent.

Jayden Daniels has more tape of missing the open guy in a progression and just running. Although he did throw it a lot more.

McCarthy is interesting because he dealt well with pressures from his Tackles where in Minnesota he'd have to deal with pressure up the middle. He also doesn't have much tape of layering throws between levels of coverage. It's pretty much all fastballs. Same as Penix.

The maturity thing you mentioned makes zero sense. He meditates on the field before games as a 20 year old. He elevated less Talent and beat more Top 20 Defenses than any other QB in this Class. He appears to be very mature.

His issue is the same as Nix in a way: sample size. Nix didn't throw a ton of 10+ yard plays but was damn good when he did. McCarthy didn't throw a ton period but was damn good when he did.

The age really helps. I think JJ's floor is already Nix with a better arm. Potentially a much better arm. Whereas Bo is pretty close to at his ceiling already.