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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:04:33 GMT -6 andhesloose28 and ratsalad like this

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Post by Uncle on Jan 8, 2024 12:04:33 GMT -6

Keep this in mind about Penix: he's played behind a really solid OL at Washington the last 2 seasons, and in last week's CFP Semifinal game vs Texas, he was hardly pressured/hit and had clean pockets to work from for the most part. Now, he still had to deliver those "dimes" downfield - and there's zero doubt he has the best downfield ball of the 2024 Class - but how often do NFL QB's (especially Viking QB's) have clean pockets?

There was a very good piece on Penix on "The Athletic" over the weekend (link) and I would suggest that Viking fans really read through this one. It cuts through the downfield bombs that Penix is known for and is a very fair evaluation of how he fits at the NFL level.

The last two paragraphs are conclusions that I agree with the author on:

Watching Penix launch deep passes has been a fun experience the last two years — and it’s entirely possible this loaded offense is good enough to secure a national title for Washington — but I can’t get the words of Cam Newton about “game managers” and “difference makers” out of my head when I watch Penix play. In the NFL, he’s likely the former and not the latter. He should be a top-100 pick, but not above Daniels as this year’s third-best QB. I wouldn’t wager a first-rounder on his long-term health, either, after several season-ending injuries.

Penix arguably has had the best year of any QB in college football, even compared to Daniels’ Heisman-winning show. But he’s not in the conversation to be a franchise-changing talent in the NFL — and that’s perfectly fine.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:05:59 GMT -6 via mobile andhesloose28 likes this

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Post by mikenessfan on Jan 8, 2024 12:05:59 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 11:44:08 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

Jan 8, 2024 10:29:05 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

1. Chicago-Williams (the most important thing that happens in the offseason is where Fields gets traded, IMO).

2. Washington-Maye.

3. New England-Daniels.

4. Arizona-Harrison Jr.

I dont think NE is a lock to go QB there, but I do agree that hes not getting out of the top 5, without someone trading up. Cousins is the first domino for us, then Fields and Falcs. I do agree with all of that.

And we should be fully capable of trading up to 5. It’s only 6 spots and shouldn’t cost our next 3 draft classes lol.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:08:29 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by ratsalad on Jan 8, 2024 12:08:29 GMT -6

I bet they trade it to the Cardinals, draft a QB, he sucks, Vikings finish worst in the league while the Cardinals get the top pick in the 2025 draft. You know, basically exactly what happened to the Panthers.

Personally, I think trading the farm for a QB is crazy and I wouldn't do it unless the guy was a generational prospect. Caleb Williams and the rest aren't, so don't bother reaching for them.

I'd like to see a defensive tackle, or maybe a defensive end.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:10:44 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by ratsalad on Jan 8, 2024 12:10:44 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 12:05:59 GMT -6 mikenessfan said:

Jan 8, 2024 11:44:08 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

I dont think NE is a lock to go QB there, but I do agree that hes not getting out of the top 5, without someone trading up. Cousins is the first domino for us, then Fields and Falcs. I do agree with all of that.

And we should be fully capable of trading up to 5. It’s only 6 spots and shouldn’t cost our next 3 draft classes lol.

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Next 3, no, but if we suck and pick the wrong guy (be honest, their track record is bad here) then we lose a top 5 pick next year most likely. No thanks

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:12:11 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by ratsalad on Jan 8, 2024 12:12:11 GMT -6

Jan 7, 2024 18:29:17 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

What we will do, or should do? Why is it that I have a bad feeling that KAM trades down to the bottom of the first and misses out on the QB we want?

I'd say it depends in large part on where guys start to fall once the combine plays out. I'd think at 11, we should likely be able to nab the 3rd QB taken at the cost of our 2025 1st at worst unless there's some serious helium. So if we really want a Jayden Daniels, we may be able to trade up and get him. Or, we can let things fall and do a small trade down and still land Penix/Nix.

Honestly, I'm fine with either of those scenarios assuming this staff can develop them. I'm not that confident at the moment. I'm hoping that we see some internal changes involving some restructuring of how the offense is run in particular long before anything else is done.

As crazy as it sounds the Vikings don't have the luxury of trading up. They've got holes everywhere. They need starters all over. They need to amass picks and find starters... if they don't, KOC and KAM are cooked. They'll be looking for immediate starters.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:13:16 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by mikenessfan on Jan 8, 2024 12:13:16 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 12:04:33 GMT -6 Uncle said:

Keep this in mind about Penix: he's played behind a really solid OL at Washington the last 2 seasons, and in last week's CFP Semifinal game vs Texas, he was hardly pressured/hit and had clean pockets to work from for the most part. Now, he still had to deliver those "dimes" downfield - and there's zero doubt he has the best downfield ball of the 2024 Class - but how often do NFL QB's (especially Viking QB's) have clean pockets?

There was a very good piece on Penix on "The Athletic" over the weekend (link) and I would suggest that Viking fans really read through this one. It cuts through the downfield bombs that Penix is known for and is a very fair evaluation of how he fits at the NFL level.

The last two paragraphs are conclusions that I agree with the author on:

Watching Penix launch deep passes has been a fun experience the last two years — and it’s entirely possible this loaded offense is good enough to secure a national title for Washington — but I can’t get the words of Cam Newton about “game managers” and “difference makers” out of my head when I watch Penix play. In the NFL, he’s likely the former and not the latter. He should be a top-100 pick, but not above Daniels as this year’s third-best QB. I wouldn’t wager a first-rounder on his long-term health, either, after several season-ending injuries.

Penix arguably has had the best year of any QB in college football, even compared to Daniels’ Heisman-winning show. But he’s not in the conversation to be a franchise-changing talent in the NFL — and that’s perfectly fine.

I do t know about him being a game manager. I don’t see that at all from him. He can make any throw from the games I have watched from him and is a leader vocally for his team. He also is willing to take chances and make the hard throws. I don’t think game managers do that. Take away his medical issues and what are we really looking at as far as his negatives go? He isn’t as mobile as Williams or daniels but he still moves within the pocket much more than kirk does. I would call penix a pocket passer who moves well within the pocket. That really seems to be what KOC is looking for. I do think the ceiling on daniels is higher because he is a runner and passer. But I think as a thrower I’m not sure any other qb in this class is a better pure passer.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:13:54 GMT -6

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Post by andhesloose28 on Jan 8, 2024 12:13:54 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 12:08:29 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

I bet they trade it to the Cardinals, draft a QB, he sucks, Vikings finish worst in the league while the Cardinals get the top pick in the 2025 draft. You know, basically exactly what happened to the Panthers.

Personally, I think trading the farm for a QB is crazy and I wouldn't do it unless the guy was a generational prospect. Caleb Williams and the rest aren't, so don't bother reaching for them.

I'd like to see a defensive tackle, or maybe a defensive end.

That would be a pretty hefty return if you placed that bet considering the Vikings have never held the #1 pick based on record lol a trade to #4 wouldnt cost nearly as much as what the panthers gave.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:15:40 GMT -6 via mobile andhesloose28 likes this

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Post by ratsalad on Jan 8, 2024 12:15:40 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 12:13:54 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

Jan 8, 2024 12:08:29 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

I bet they trade it to the Cardinals, draft a QB, he sucks, Vikings finish worst in the league while the Cardinals get the top pick in the 2025 draft. You know, basically exactly what happened to the Panthers.

Personally, I think trading the farm for a QB is crazy and I wouldn't do it unless the guy was a generational prospect. Caleb Williams and the rest aren't, so don't bother reaching for them.

I'd like to see a defensive tackle, or maybe a defensive end.

That would be a pretty hefty return if you placed that bet considering the Vikings have never held the #1 pick based on record lol a trade to #4 wouldnt cost nearly as much as what the panthers gave.

I was only being half serious. It's not likely. Still, I don't think any of these QBs are worth a trade up for.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:16:12 GMT -6 via mobile

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Jan 8, 2024 12:10:44 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

Jan 8, 2024 12:05:59 GMT -6 mikenessfan said:

And we should be fully capable of trading up to 5. It’s only 6 spots and shouldn’t cost our next 3 draft classes lol.

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Next 3, no, but if we suck and pick the wrong guy (be honest, their track record is bad here) then we lose a top 5 pick next year most likely. No thanks

We have to have trust they will pick the right qb and be able to develop him. If not what’s the point of going on with this fo and coaching staff? Like the skor north guys say we brought in Koc as a big reason for him being able to identify and develop our future long term qb. If we don’t think he can do that then he is no use to being here. Or KAM for the matter. It might cost us a swap of picks and our first next year to move up to 5. If that gets us daniels and our coaching staff really likes him a lot and thinks they can work with him and will be a match then I’m ok with that.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:19:04 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by mikenessfan on Jan 8, 2024 12:19:04 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 12:08:29 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

I bet they trade it to the Cardinals, draft a QB, he sucks, Vikings finish worst in the league while the Cardinals get the top pick in the 2025 draft. You know, basically exactly what happened to the Panthers.

Personally, I think trading the farm for a QB is crazy and I wouldn't do it unless the guy was a generational prospect. Caleb Williams and the rest aren't, so don't bother reaching for them.

I'd like to see a defensive tackle, or maybe a defensive end.

Wow there is all kinds of negative in that post. I don’t know how to respond to that man. Seems like you are checked out. I do agree the Vikings have lots of holes, but also there is too much talent in other areas for us even with a sh!tty qb to end up with a top 5 pick by “earning “ it. I’m ok trading up and most fans should be too if it’s for the right guy.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:19:24 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by ratsalad on Jan 8, 2024 12:19:24 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 12:16:12 GMT -6 mikenessfan said:

Jan 8, 2024 12:10:44 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

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Next 3, no, but if we suck and pick the wrong guy (be honest, their track record is bad here) then we lose a top 5 pick next year most likely. No thanks

We have to have trust they will pick the right qb and be able to develop him. If not what’s the point of going on with this fo and coaching staff? Like the skor north guys say we brought in Koc as a big reason for him being able to identify and develop our future long term qb. If we don’t think he can do that then he is no use to being here. Or KAM for the matter. It might cost us a swap of picks and our first next year to move up to 5. If that gets us daniels and our coaching staff really likes him a lot and thinks they can work with him and will be a match then I’m ok with that.

I do not trust them.

Again, these QBs aren't generational prospects. I don't care what the coaching staff thinks. These are my opinions. I don't think the Vikings coaching staff is really qualified to have much credibility, especially for QBs, afer this season.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:19:25 GMT -6 via mobile ratsalad likes this

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Post by VikingsBoss on Jan 8, 2024 12:19:25 GMT -6

Don't understand the Penix hype. Product of an Air Raid offense and is held together by duct tape and hope at this point. 2 ACL tears AND shoulder issues? His health grades are worse than Hendon Hooker's, but at least Penix isn't shopping for Medicare Supplements yet...he will only be 24 before playing a game in the NFL...a veritable Spring Chicken.

I prefer Nix, simply because he has the edge in mobility at this point, and health...he is also 3 whole months younger!

In truth, I would rather see how McCarthy or Ewers shake out End 1, Early 2 before taking either of those 2 QBs at 11.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:19:45 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by ratsalad on Jan 8, 2024 12:19:45 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 12:19:04 GMT -6 mikenessfan said:

Jan 8, 2024 12:08:29 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

I bet they trade it to the Cardinals, draft a QB, he sucks, Vikings finish worst in the league while the Cardinals get the top pick in the 2025 draft. You know, basically exactly what happened to the Panthers.

Personally, I think trading the farm for a QB is crazy and I wouldn't do it unless the guy was a generational prospect. Caleb Williams and the rest aren't, so don't bother reaching for them.

I'd like to see a defensive tackle, or maybe a defensive end.

Wow there is all kinds of negative in that post. I don’t know how to respond to that man. Seems like you are checked out. I do agree the Vikings have lots of holes, but also there is too much talent in other areas for us even with a sh!tty qb to end up with a top 5 pick by “earning “ it. I’m ok trading up and most fans should be too if it’s for the right guy.

I am most definitely checked out

Also, no there isn't. This team is devoid of talent outside of WR, and maybe OT. That's it.

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Post by ukvikings on Jan 8, 2024 12:20:41 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2024 12:05:59 GMT -6 mikenessfan said:

Jan 8, 2024 11:44:08 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

I dont think NE is a lock to go QB there, but I do agree that hes not getting out of the top 5, without someone trading up. Cousins is the first domino for us, then Fields and Falcs. I do agree with all of that.

And we should be fully capable of trading up to 5. It’s only 6 spots and shouldn’t cost our next 3 draft classes lol.

Every draft and trade value is unique but we can use Houston trading from 12 to 3 for Will Anderson Jr. as a starting point for that conversation. Less spots for the trade up but going for a more premium position and I believe there would be other bidders driving the price up.

That trade was:

Houston received- 3 and 105 in 2023
Cardinals received- 12, 33, 2024 first and third

For simplicity sake I think you can drop 105 and the 2024 3rd as comparable values themselves.

So that would mean trading our first this year, second this year, and first round pick next year.

That would leave our first pick beyond the QB in this year’s draft at approximately pick 109.

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With the 11th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Jan 8, 2024 12:23:56 GMT -6 via mobile ukvikings likes this

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Post by FSUVike on Jan 8, 2024 12:23:56 GMT -6

New England isn't the full rebuild candidate you all seem to think. Their Defense is legit. They need a Franchise QB and legit NFL Receivers. And likely a LT in a year where you can get them on Day 2.

What are they going to do, trade back, take Odunze or Nabirs and let Bailey Zappe throw the ball to whichever one they take? Stay put and spend the number three overall pick on a WR with no QB to throw him the ball?

I don't see Kraft going the veteran QB route unless somehow Belicheat stays.