Post by mngopher35 on Dec 16, 2023 20:05:50 GMT -6
You're letting good be the enemy of great. In a vacuum what you said sounds reasonable, but unfortunately for you we all watch the games and we see how things could be so much better if he wasn't such an idiot and a coward. Mr Most Regular Season Wins in His First 2 Years, is going to be winless in the playoffs. We didn't hire him to maintain the status quo. The Vikings having the most playoff appearances without a Super Bowl etc. You don't "run it all back" to get the same results. Like Kirk in 2018, KOC, an offensive genius, was supposed to be the missing ingredient to get us over the hump. That's what they keep telling us anyway. The toxic culture Zimmer cultivate was the entire problem. Remember? After a mostly fraudulent 2022 where the ball bounced our way an incredible amount of times, we've reverted back to the mean. The very painful Vikings mean. We're literally right back in the same spot Zimmer left us, except there are more smiles and high-5's in the hallway ... maybe. That might quickly change too, because like I've been trying to say, culture doesn't lead to winning, winning leads to culture. The Vikings are again trying to do things backassward. It sounds good on postcard when you're trying to sell seats and merch though.
I don't think I am though. I have literally been called out in another thread because I said we need to draft a young QB and see if KOC can develop him, if not potentially move forward with flores. I have never been someone saying KOC is great or amazing, I just think we should give a very young QB who was brought in to develop a young HC the chance to actually do so lol. We shouldn't just mindlessly blame him for everything.
If you look at what you are saying most of this isn't a KOC issue. It is a decision making issue above KOC and what is being sold to the fan base issue. I agree it makes no sense to just mindlessly blame the coach and run it back with a roster that can't compete as if that will solve everything. I don't blame KOC that he was given those expectations though either. The issue is ownership pushed the "super competitive" BS and the narratives around the team you are talking about. We should have moved on from Kirk in 2020 yet people still want to pay up for him and continue mediocrity. The GM's have struggled to add talent and continue pushing our cap issues down the road in order to patch holes now for said mediocrity. Again none of this is on KOC. We need to stop using the coach as a scapegoat for the actual issues holding us back from being great. That's actually my main point and you seem to be getting at it in a sense too. The reason we are in the same spot is because the real issues haven't actually changed. Just blaming the coach again and then selling the fan base on the same old again isn't going to change that. Ownership is the biggest issue in what you are pointing out. GM would be next in line. The coach is just sort of what keeps getting used as a scapegoat to ignore those real issues that truly stop this team from becoming great.
It's not just that what I was pointing out is reasonable, it's that it is a reality/factual/true. KOC was the winningest head coach in vikings history heading into this game based on percentages and was the quickest to 20 wins as well. We did have over 400 yards offensively today along with 24 points despite two horrible decisions by the QB in the red zone preventing more. With 3:48 left in the 4th quarter we were averaging 3 points per drive which would lead the nfl for the season. That was with a backup QB and some other injuries. We did have the lead most of the game and even regained it back after the top 10 defense blew it initially. The defense did give up 3 straight TD's late. Yet somehow people are blaming the offense and KOC, with many calling for him to be fired (it was trending). My entire point is that he isn't the actual issue and the fact so many are jumping on what he got out of this offense given the circumstances is telling. It seems everyone bought into that narrative you pointed out about us just needing a coach and that was that. I think it is very clear there are bigger issues and that KOC isn't being given much of a fair chance by many. I don't even think he is amazing or anything, he seems above average to me which is why I have no problem if we look for better soon to move on. I prefer we give him a chance to develop a QBOTF before moving on personally though and I do hope there is some potential for a young coach to grow. Either way blaming him still completely misses the real issues though and ignores the realities I pointed out.