Cousins, Mullens or Love?

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Cousins, Mullens or Love? Jan 17, 2023 23:20:25 GMT -6

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Post by Danchat on Jan 17, 2023 23:20:25 GMT -6

Jan 17, 2023 21:24:10 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Yeah, let's look at that. Let's see how many QB have been drafted in the first 4 rounds back to when Dak was Drafted. 51. 51 QB's drafted in the first 4 rounds since 2016. So 7 of those still playing in the playoffs. 13.7% Let's take a look at some. Christian Hackenberg, Dwayne Haskins. Mitch Trubisky, Paxton Lynch. How about a 3rd rounder. Matt Corral. Will Grier. It's easy after the player have been playing for a while. Not so easy when you are picking in the draft. Trey Lance, pick number 3 two drafts ago, has started 4 games.

Yup, that's why I said this:

Jan 17, 2023 19:26:40 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Drafting QBs is hard

Jan 17, 2023 21:34:39 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Minnesota 25.1

We made nearly all our draft picks on defense, signed Smith, Phillips, Bullard, Hicks, Peterson, and Sullivan in free agency just to arrive at this...

Jan 17, 2023 21:34:39 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Jaguars 1st rounder, rookie contract 21.8

I have to wonder if the Jags played in a harder division if that number would be considerably higher, as they got 6 games against the AFC South to fluff that number.

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Jan 17, 2023 14:41:30 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Kirk Cousins is the answer.

The only thing he is the answer to is the same old sh*t we have seen for the past 5 frigging years. Hes the problem, not the answer, to the future of this team. At some point Viking fans need to grow a pair of balls and blow most of this team up. Might actually take 3 years but it would be worth it with the right drafts (which is what we have to do, and I dont trust KAM at all). Perfect time to drop dead weight, and dont keep doing the definition of insanity, and think something good will happen.

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Cousins, Mullens or Love? Jan 18, 2023 14:46:58 GMT -6

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Post by Jor-El on Jan 18, 2023 14:46:58 GMT -6

Jan 16, 2023 16:16:56 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Why is Mullens an option? He's a middling backup who is a free agent and won't get much more than the veteran minimum. There are plenty of other options (not ideal ones, mind you) if we're in a scenario where Kirk is getting traded.

I think the OP is proposing Mullens as an option to help create the opportunity to draft a different QB in the 2024 draft. In other words, "Crap for Caleb (Williams)" has begun.

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Cousins, Mullens or Love? Jan 18, 2023 16:26:24 GMT -6

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Post by Raptorman on Jan 18, 2023 16:26:24 GMT -6

Jan 17, 2023 23:38:45 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Jan 17, 2023 14:41:30 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Kirk Cousins is the answer.

The only thing he is the answer to is the same old sh*t we have seen for the past 5 frigging years. Hes the problem, not the answer, to the future of this team. At some point Viking fans need to grow a pair of balls and blow most of this team up. Might actually take 3 years but it would be worth it with the right drafts (which is what we have to do, and I dont trust KAM at all). Perfect time to drop dead weight, and dont keep doing the definition of insanity, and think something good will happen.

Yup, because being the 8th scoring offense in league isn't good enough. Last year they were the 14ths scoring offense they year before they were 11th, and the year before that the 8th. The offense isn't the freaking problem. Cousins isn't the freaking problem. The defense being 28th and 29th and 24th in points given up is the problem. But, we don't want to talk about that.

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Cousins, Mullens or Love? Jan 18, 2023 17:08:06 GMT -6

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Post by Dynalee10 on Jan 18, 2023 17:08:06 GMT -6

Jan 16, 2023 14:45:42 GMT -6 idavike said:

GB won't trade Love to the Vikings if they think he has any potential at all.

Roll with Kirko Chains one more year and don't extend him. Hopefully we can draft a QB that KOC can develop to start in 2024.

Agree since they mad the decision to extend him and KOC got 13 wins with him I think they should let him play out his string with the Vikings and I also state unequivocally DO NOT EXTEND THIS COACH KILLER AGAIN

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Post by pinfante79 on Jan 18, 2023 17:50:29 GMT -6

Kirk Cousins is not the problem... The truth is this entire team is made up of the following...

Kirk Cousins
Justin Jefferson
Hockinson
Two absolute stud Tackles
Danielle Hunter not being used properly
A bunch of has beens
A bunch of randoms

There was three problems with this team that was obvious to me the entire season...

1. Just an awful defense
2. Too much unproductive Dalvin Cook usage
3. Poor coaching

Sure it's easy to blame donatell and he's clearly bad but KOC got his ass handed to him a lot and those five guys mentioned above a lot of coaches can coach the 13 wins...

I am not sold on Kevin O'Connell and if anything lean more towards unsold and with KAM it's still early but man that looks like an awful draft and this is a guy that never had talent evaluating experience. So I'm very concerned with the management of the team.

But Kirk Cousins is not one of our problems we can win with Kirk Cousins. And considering KAMs very small but very bad track record at drafting what's the odds this guy's going to be the first guy in 50 plus years to draft a decade long franchise quarterback. Not good.

It's time to cut loose Dalvin Cook, Adam Thielen, Kendricks, Harrison Smith for starters. Getting rid of Dalvin is almost a must because KOC is an idiot when it comes to using him

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Cousins, Mullens or Love? Jan 18, 2023 18:24:15 GMT -6

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Jan 18, 2023 17:50:29 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

But Kirk Cousins is not one of our problems we can win with Kirk Cousins.

He is, because we know his ceiling. Hes had a lot of years in the NFL to show it. He will get you to the playoffs if he has a JJ to throw to. But 1 and Done should be his middle name. Sad thing is the Vikings are too stupid then to have a young QB to learn from him.

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Cousins, Mullens or Love? Jan 18, 2023 18:30:47 GMT -6

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Post by Norse on Jan 18, 2023 18:30:47 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2023 16:26:24 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Jan 17, 2023 23:38:45 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

The only thing he is the answer to is the same old sh*t we have seen for the past 5 frigging years. Hes the problem, not the answer, to the future of this team. At some point Viking fans need to grow a pair of balls and blow most of this team up. Might actually take 3 years but it would be worth it with the right drafts (which is what we have to do, and I dont trust KAM at all). Perfect time to drop dead weight, and dont keep doing the definition of insanity, and think something good will happen.

Yup, because being the 8th scoring offense in league isn't good enough. Last year they were the 14ths scoring offense they year before they were 11th, and the year before that the 8th. The offense isn't the freaking problem. Cousins isn't the freaking problem. The defense being 28th and 29th and 24th in points given up is the problem. But, we don't want to talk about that.

Lack of 3rd down conversions is also a big problem.

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Cousins, Mullens or Love? Jan 18, 2023 18:38:07 GMT -6

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Post by Raptorman on Jan 18, 2023 18:38:07 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2023 18:30:47 GMT -6 Norse said:

Jan 18, 2023 16:26:24 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Yup, because being the 8th scoring offense in league isn't good enough. Last year they were the 14ths scoring offense they year before they were 11th, and the year before that the 8th. The offense isn't the freaking problem. Cousins isn't the freaking problem. The defense being 28th and 29th and 24th in points given up is the problem. But, we don't want to talk about that.

Lack of 3rd down conversions is also a big problem.

MN was 10th in 3rd down conversions for he year. and 7th over the last 3 games.

They were also 4th in 1st downs per game.

www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

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Cousins, Mullens or Love? Jan 18, 2023 19:01:48 GMT -6 via mobile PurpleKoolaid likes this

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Jan 18, 2023 17:50:29 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

Kirk Cousins is not the problem... The truth is this entire team is made up of the following...

Kirk Cousins
Justin Jefferson
Hockinson
Two absolute stud Tackles
Danielle Hunter not being used properly
A bunch of has beens
A bunch of randoms

There was three problems with this team that was obvious to me the entire season...

1. Just an awful defense
2. Too much unproductive Dalvin Cook usage
3. Poor coaching

Sure it's easy to blame donatell and he's clearly bad but KOC got his ass handed to him a lot and those five guys mentioned above a lot of coaches can coach the 13 wins...

I am not sold on Kevin O'Connell and if anything lean more towards unsold and with KAM it's still early but man that looks like an awful draft and this is a guy that never had talent evaluating experience. So I'm very concerned with the management of the team.

But Kirk Cousins is not one of our problems we can win with Kirk Cousins. And considering KAMs very small but very bad track record at drafting what's the odds this guy's going to be the first guy in 50 plus years to draft a decade long franchise quarterback. Not good.

It's time to cut loose Dalvin Cook, Adam Thielen, Kendricks, Harrison Smith for starters. Getting rid of Dalvin is almost a must because KOC is an idiot when it comes to using him

Good post.

I think KOC's leadership as a head coach is unquestionable, getting players to buy into winning no matter what the odds. And his ability to scheme JJ open looked fantastic early on until teams started double and triple-covering him, it was at that point that he looked lost.

If teams are devoting THAT many bodies to one player, then your other receivers should have a field day, if the play design is right.

And I have ZERO trust in KaptAin Moneyball already. It's bad enough whiffing on your entire draft, but getting bent over by, not one, but TWO teams in your own division, including your division rival? That REEKS of - "Yeah, I'm WAY smarter than everyone else, just watch this"!

I'm struggling (and losing) not to go all Bos-esque with my hatred of this hire.

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