Big Money, No Whammy! - JJ Extension Watch

I don't see any loser minded cupcake little Debbie cats. Pretty much everybody is advocating for making Jefferson the highest paid non-QB in the league. I thought that is where you were at. Give him a million a year more than Bosa with a bit more guaranteed money. Are you now advocating giving him $40 million AAV fully guaranteed or more and everybody who doesn't support that is a loser? I'm just trying to be a voice of reason. 
Matt Coller has a good take on this starting at the 9:50 mark. He suggests that Jefferson simply won't sign an extension until after CeeDee Lamb does so he can make sure he's paid more than Lamb.

Does that mean that you can't or won't answer my questions?

I agree, it likely would not be fully guaranteed. The point is just that it is likely his actual market value which should be considered when discussing what he is worth. You and a couple others had been talking about that specific reasoning earlier. It's no different of a point now that it is JJ compared to Cousins.

He said more than just Jefferson makes the team better lol. If that is all you disagreed with in over a minute of him talking and you called it a horrible take despite actually agreeing with the other 90%+... So be it, just odd. All he was doing is saying JJ is worth market value essentially which even if you disagree isn't that bad of a take imo. 

Jefferson makes the Vikings better. He very briefly explained why. I don't think any remotely knowledgeable Vikings fans needed Jared to tell us that. Of course Jefferson is worth market value. I don't think anybody needs any help with that. With Brown getting $32 million whether rightly or wrongly that has set the market and of course Jefferson should get more than him. After that it gets murky. Is Jefferson worth more than Nick Bosa? Maybe and maybe not. However to show good will I'm confident the Vikings already did offer more than Bosa is getting the offer being $35 Million AAV with more total guaranteed money. Is there really that much difference between $33 million and $35 million. Only to the players ego and the salary cap. If he's demanding more than that IMO he's being unreasonable. I hope he's being reasonable. 

Believe it or not, the NFL has changed a lot since 1985. I am a bit more interested in the one singular example you could come up with in recent history...



Why should he agree to $35 million today? Last year was it $35 million he demanded before the cap jump? Wow were we dumb not to jump on that. We should probably fire Kwesi based on this possibly happening!

I agree that we don't know, which is why you just blaming Jefferson for it not being signed now is ridiculous. Nobody knows what is being discussed or what has been offered from both sides. Any example given will lack real context and be something we are making up. We don't know if JJ is being unreasonable, the GM dropped the ball, or if there is something about July 31st from an ownership/organizational standpoint that matters in the accounting aspect (as was reported). It could be some combination of all 3 even.

This is just your own bias/agenda taking over every time you try and push blame without actually knowing the context.




Maybe, but nobody knows. I agree, there are a lot of examples of say ownership having too much pride and hurting their organization. Maybe that's what it is here too related to guaranteed money with how they were burned the last 6 years on the expectations for their investment.




Correct, that is the only example I can think of where what you are outlining actually happened. At the time Lamar was also representing himself which is a bit unique as well.

Even in that scenario all that really happened was at a later date they ended up giving him a massive deal anyways in line with the market at that time. He signed this 10 days after Jalen Hurts signed for 5 million less overall and 5 million less guaranteed. He got more total than either Watson or Murray but did end up lower in guaranteed money compared to Watson. So in the end he actually ended up with the highest contract in the league at the time of signing in terms of per year average (burrow and Herbert were after I believe, as was Goff this year).

So the only time a team has ever tried this it wasn't even with a player at the top of their position. In the end that team caved the season after the franchise tag and paid up to keep their guy based on the new market at the time not the one from years prior. That's exactly what I have been pointing out is likely to happen if we go this route, we lose leverage and eventually cave either to a bad trade or the player.

No, it is showing a specific aspect that has been talked about before in this very thread related to market value being what a team would be willing to pay. I agree that this is not the market JJ is heading into as we have control, it is to point out that when discussing what his market value is.

It's not some convoluted thing where we own him now so we just get to arbitrarily decide what it should be. If people want to talk about him asking more than his market value then it is important to note that could mean over 40 million per year. If we are talking less than that we are really saying he should take less than what he could get on the open market because we won't let him get there.

Very different things.



We all know the Vikings have control of the situation contract wise. You seem to be pushing for us to demand JJ play at less than his actual market value just because you think we should hold owning his rights over him for some reason until he gives in. If that is how it is playing out then this is less on JJ and more on our organization for playing dumb games.

JJ is worth what someone on the market will pay him and he knows that. He can't get there today, neither could Lamar. All he needs to do is bet on himself and win in the same manner, then the Vikings will be left scrambling to the update market values in the same way. That's less of a JJ issue and more of a Vikings issue if we push it that far just because we feel we have the leverage to do so. It doesn't last long when it's a truly elite talent and the only team to try it found that out fast.