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Post by Ted Glover on Oct 5, 2022 6:44:48 GMT -6

I'd like to talk about the Vikes record. It seems like there is a fair amount of people that think the Vikings don’t ‘deserve’ to be 3-1, that they have been lucky or just less bad than the other team, and the 3-1 record is soft, or a mirage.

I’ll agree to a point, but a soft 3-1 is a better hard 1-3. Let’s look at every team that is 3-1 or 4-0 so far this year. They have all had some UGLY games:

Bills: Loss to Miami, ugly Balt win
Dolphins: 3 ugly wins, brutal loss
KC: Lost to Indy...whaaaaat
Philly: Gut out wins against Det and Jax
MN: lol we know
GB: Bad loss to us, needed OT to beat NE and their 3rd string QB at home

Philly has looked the best of all these teams, and even though they handled the Vikes, Minnesota is an Irv TD drop and two Kirk red zone picks from being in that game, if not outright winning.

The NFL is set up to have close games every week. I have said this before and I will say it again: Every team in this league has .500 talent, and they all have strengths or weaknesses that can be exploited. The difference between 10 or 11 wins and 10 or 11 losses comes down to coaching, and a little bit of luck, like the double doink in London.

Minnesota's 3-1 start is no more soft than any of the other teams that have started 3-1 or 4-0. Good teams find ways to win and largely make their own luck. Bad teams put themselves into a hole that they have to climb out of and when they can't overcome their mistakes, they blame 'bad luck', like a missed 61 yard field goal, or a kicker not being able to execute an onside kick (ahem).

I am not going to feel bad about this team being 3-1, and I don't feel it's a 'soft' or 'fraudulent' 3-1.

They are 3-1, in first place in the NFC North, and undefeated in the division with a great chance to be 3-0 in the division before the halfway point. There is nothing fraudulent or soft about any of that, in my opinion.

The 2020 and 2021 versions of this team would probably be 1-3, and a lot of us would be saying 'well, we're a lot better than that 1-3 record. If not for X, or Y, or Z, they're 4-0.' There was A LOT of that the last couple years, and it wasn't because they were good teams that had bad luck. They were bad teams that put themselves in bad spots, and didn't have the coaching to maximize the talent to climb out of the hole they put themselves in.

This team, so far, does. And if they don't do stupid stuff to get into a 14 or 17 point deficit, except in Philly. This is a good football team at the quarter pole, and I am all in.

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Post by spence on Oct 5, 2022 8:00:54 GMT -6

Agreed Ted Glover. Especially considering when you look at the Packers who are 3-1. They needed overtime to beat a triple backup in Lambeau, and people still think they're a good 3-1 and SB contender etc.

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Post by MidwinterViking on Oct 5, 2022 8:16:31 GMT -6

In my post about being a contender, I found that scoring margin is a strong indicator for success (+6 ppg was my cutoff for contender status). But at this point, with only 4 games, it's also worth looking at who they have played.

Contenders

Bills: +56 (14 ppg) - Good wins over Ravens and Rams; only loss was close to another good team
Eagles: +44 (11 ppg) - Good wins over Vikings and Jaguars
Chiefs: +33 (8.3 ppg) - Good wins over cardinals and Bucs; one close loss
Jaguars: +38 (9.5 ppg) - The NFL needs to take the Jaguars seriously as of this point. They are 2-2 and have blow out some mid pack teams and have two one score losses. Are wins over the Cots and Chargers impressive? No, but their margins if victory are; and that is an indicator of a team that should be considered a threat. Perhaps the wheels will fall off, but as of now, they have earned their spot.

Of the rest of the 3-1 teams, no other team has more than +9 (2.3ppg) point scoring margin, so I have to look at their schedule. In order of scoring margin

Cowboys: +9 (2.3 ppg) - Everything swings on if I think the Bengals are a good team, and therefore that is a good win (personally I think the Bengals are only in the above average team - but they did win the game so it counts). Do I give them credit for playing with a backup QB? Sure, some.
Verdict: Legitimate - with a high likelihood of losing that status in their next 3 games (Rams, Eagles, Lions).

Dolphins: +7 (1.8 ppg) - With wins over the Ravens and Bills in four game, margin doesn't matter.
Verdict: Legit / Bona fide / street-cred-having / quarterback-brain-not-having (oh.. wait... that one's bad)

Vikings: +6 (1.5 ppg) - Only loss is vs a highly ranked contender. Good win vs Packers. The Saints look like they have good players, but don't have the record or scoring margin of a good team. The Lions are obviously improved as well, so I'll call those two average wins with non-impressive margins.
Verdict: Legitimate if they beat the Bears by more than 6 points this weekend, frauds if they don't

Packers: +6 (1.5 ppg) - Their best win is vs the Bucs who were playing without their top playmaker. I'm not impressed by beating the Patriots 3rd QB in OT or anything vs the Bears. Now they get the Giants and Jets? It will be a while before we know if the Packers are contenders.
Verdict: Still has work to do before they can be considered legit.

Giants: +5 (1.3 ppg) - Wins over Titans, Panthers and Bears with a Loss to the most questionable of all contenders in the Cowboys. There is nothing on this record that impresses me - those closest thing is the Titans, who look like they are going nowhere.
Verdict: Total Frauds - but hey! the fact that they make it in the discussion is improvement for them, I thought they would be in a "Contenders for #1 overall pick" thread, so context matters.

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Oct 5, 2022 6:44:48 GMT -6 Ted Glover said:

Minnesota's 3-1 start is no more soft than any of the other teams that have started 3-1 or 4-0.

The Bills lost to a good team and won ugly against a good team. The Vikings aqueeked by two bad teams, that is not remotely the same.

This Vikings may well win 10 games due to their relatively soft schedule, but this is more of the same middling Vikings we've grown used too.

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Post by TAFKASP on Oct 5, 2022 8:23:50 GMT -6

Oct 5, 2022 7:35:58 GMT -6 oneanddone said:

Ted you have a serious case of purple glasses. I love that they are 3-1 but you are in denial.

He's a Vikings blogger/Podcaster, he's gotta sell hope or nobody would read/listen. That's all fine, but transparent just the same.

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Post by whoskmoon on Oct 5, 2022 8:40:45 GMT -6

It is a good discussion topic and I am glad you brought it up.

The Bills lost to one of the better teams in the NFL, but were right there to win it with a slightly better throw from Allen at the end of the game. It was also a division matchup and those games more than any others aren't necessarily won by the better team. They beat Baltimore, arguably the best 2-2 team in the NFL, and absolutely destroyed the Rams and Titans. To me they are the most legit 3-1 team with the 3 most impressive wins and the best loss.

Philly is 4-0 and only one of their games has even been close. I know the Vikings weren't exactly playing their best football in that game, but Philly wasn't exactly playing their best game either. Without their 8 penalties and an int that should have been an easy completion, the Vikings are never in that game. Still, the only team you could consider good that they have beaten is the Vikings so I do have some doubts.

The Chiefs will win their division and be the #2 seed. They have the best wins of any of the teams with how they won and who they played, but they also have the worst loss.

The Dolphins rolled NE in the opener, which was a divisional game AND a week 1 game making it highly unpredictable. They then beat Ravens in an amazing comeback after playing terrible for most of the game, and probably should have lost to the Bills. Their starting QB was lost after the first half is their only loss, but I don't think the Dolphins win that one with how Tua was playing before he got hurt. Still their 2 of their 3 wins were against good teams and their 1 loss was against a team a season away from being in the SB, on the ropes, at home.

GB and MN are in the same boat as frauds IMO with GB looking like the most likely fraud due to the loss to MN. Both have one good win, both have 2 wins against 2 bad teams. The Viking's win against a good team was more convincing but again, opening weekend against a divisional rival strange things will happen. The Packers have the worst near loss to a bad team, but really, how bad can a Billy B. NE ever really be, even with a 3rd string QB? Coming up, the Vikings will need to DESTROY a terrible Bears team and play well if not win, against Miami to convince me they are not frauds. The Packers will need to win their next 3 against terrible teams and then win against the Bills.

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Post by whoskmoon on Oct 5, 2022 8:54:28 GMT -6

Oct 5, 2022 8:16:31 GMT -6 MidwinterViking said:

In my post about being a contender, I found that scoring margin is a strong indicator for success (+6 ppg was my cutoff for contender status). But at this point, with only 4 games, it's also worth looking at who they have played.

Contenders

Bills: +56 (14 ppg) - Good wins over Ravens and Rams; only loss was close to another good team
Eagles: +44 (11 ppg) - Good wins over Vikings and Jaguars
Chiefs: +33 (8.3 ppg) - Good wins over cardinals and Bucs; one close loss
Jaguars: +38 (9.5 ppg) - The NFL needs to take the Jaguars seriously as of this point. They are 2-2 and have blow out some mid pack teams and have two one score losses. Are wins over the Cots and Chargers impressive? No, but their margins if victory are; and that is an indicator of a team that should be considered a threat. Perhaps the wheels will fall off, but as of now, they have earned their spot.

Of the rest of the 3-1 teams, no other team has more than +9 (2.3ppg) point scoring margin, so I have to look at their schedule. In order of scoring margin

Cowboys: +9 (2.3 ppg) - Everything swings on if I think the Bengals are a good team, and therefore that is a good win (personally I think the Bengals are only in the above average team - but they did win the game so it counts). Do I give them credit for playing with a backup QB? Sure, some.
Verdict: Legitimate - with a high likelihood of losing that status in their next 3 games (Rams, Eagles, Lions).

Dolphins: +7 (1.8 ppg) - With wins over the Ravens and Bills in four game, margin doesn't matter.
Verdict: Legit / Bona fide / street-cred-having / quarterback-brain-not-having (oh.. wait... that one's bad)

Vikings: +6 (1.5 ppg) - Only loss is vs a highly ranked contender. Good win vs Packers. The Saints look like they have good players, but don't have the record or scoring margin of a good team. The Lions are obviously improved as well, so I'll call those two average wins with non-impressive margins.
Verdict: Legitimate if they beat the Bears by more than 6 points this weekend, frauds if they don't

Packers: +6 (1.5 ppg) - Their best win is vs the Bucs who were playing without their top playmaker. I'm not impressed by beating the Patriots 3rd QB in OT or anything vs the Bears. Now they get the Giants and Jets? It will be a while before we know if the Packers are contenders.
Verdict: Still has work to do before they can be considered legit.

Giants: +5 (1.3 ppg) - Wins over Titans, Panthers and Bears with a Loss to the most questionable of all contenders in the Cowboys. There is nothing on this record that impresses me - those closest thing is the Titans, who look like they are going nowhere.
Verdict: Total Frauds - but hey! the fact that they make it in the discussion is improvement for them, I thought they would be in a "Contenders for #1 overall pick" thread, so context matters.

I agree with most of this, although do you think winning 6+ against the Bears is really good enough if winning by 17 over them wasn't for the Packers? The Bears are a really bad team that even average teams should beat by at least 6.

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Alec Lewis - How the Vikings look after 4 games: A 3-1 record, but inconsistency abounds

The Minnesota Vikings are 3-1 despite having just a plus-six point differential, perfectly explaining the fortune of a team that has in recent weeks — against the Lions and Saints, no less — been pushed to the brink.

The Vikings offense has not improved demonstrably from 2021. Though superstar wide receiver Justin Jefferson has continued his torrid statistical pace, ranking fifth in the NFL in targets (42), receptions (28) and receiving yards (393), even he, at times, has expressed frustration. Defensively, the issues have been even more glaring. Soft spots in zone coverage have been a theme, but most jarring is the fact that only four teams (the Patriots, Browns, Falcons and Lions) have been worse at stopping the run.

Yet somehow, some way the Vikings lead the NFC North.

How sustainable is this? Only time will tell...

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Are the Vikings better, worse or about where we expected after four games?

Oddsmakers set the Vikings’ over/under at 9.5 wins before the season. And while the team is on pace to eclipse that projection, its performance overall has been middling in ways that feel similar to recent years. The offense has a new play caller and new scheme, brought in by new coach Kevin O’Connell, but it has often felt disjointed and inconsistent. Statistics confirm the eye test. This year, the Vikings are averaging 1.95 points per drive, while last year they averaged 2.03. Similarly, quarterback Kirk Cousins’ 2022 passer rating (84.1) is lower than it was from 2019 to 2021 (105.0).

Defensively, the Vikings have taken a step back. The additions of defensive tackle Harrison Phillips and edge rusher Za’Darius Smith have not transformed the unit. In many instances, it also appears that the transition from a 4-3 base defense to a 3-4 has caused communication issues. Per Football Outsiders’ DVOA, an efficiency metric that accounts for strength of opponent, the Vikings defense ranks 26th in the league. Last year, it ranked 16th.

Being 3-1 is a positive, but multiple issues remain.

Key player who needs to improve

QB Kirk Cousins: Cousins has not been shy about saying the Vikings offense needs to get better. His QBR (45.7) ranks 20th among the 32 starting NFL quarterbacks. His expected points added per dropback — a measure that essentially indicates how much each dropback helps a team score points — ranked 22nd among quarterbacks. And Cousins is putting up these kinds of numbers as he has more time to throw this season (2.65 seconds on average) than he did last season (2.59 seconds).

In some instances, Cousins fixates on Jefferson. In others, he’s indecisive ahead of throws. Some of this may be a byproduct of the new offensive system, where different elements dictate plays and reads than in years past. It also does not help that the Vikings pass catchers rank fourth in the NFL in drops (nine). Regardless, for the offense to move to the next level, Cousins’ performance will have to improve.

Purple Insider: 20 interesting stats from the (sorta) first quarter of the Vikings' season

Kirk Cousins is 20th in ESPN’s QBR and 11th by PFF grade

These two catch-all statistics tell us different things and both have some holes but combined they can tell a pretty accurate story. QBR attempts to contextualize a performance whereas PFF grades the actual throws. So completing a pass for seven yards on third-and-10 would lose you points by QBR but PFF would grade it favorably if the pass was accurate. An interception that bounced off someone’s hands would get dinged by QBR but PFF would score the quality of the throw.

There has often been a gap between Cousins’ QBR and PFF grades because game situation is factored into QBR but this year’s performance through four games is lower than any full season mark by QBR that Cousins has had as a starter. Likewise, his PFF passing grade is his lowest since joining the Vikings and he has more turnover-worthy plays than big-time throws, which is not a normal occurrence for him over 16/17 games.

If you had to bet based on what these numbers suggest, you would lean toward Cousins’ play improving from here because he has historically been better than this over full seasons. He’s also had a tendency to bounce up and down in his QBR. To land at 3-1 during a stretch of the low end of the Cousins Coaster is the best possible scenario.

23rd in yards per pass attempt, fifth lowest average depth of target

Cousins has only thrown the ball 7.0 yards through the air on average thus far, which is down by a whole yard from even 2018, which was the lowest mark of his career. Only 7.6% of his passes have traveled 20 yards, down 5% from last year and cut in half from his best season as a Viking (2019).

Kevin O’Connell was asked on Monday what he thinks of Cousins’ performance so far. His response doesn’t take much reading between the lines: They have left throws on the table and O’Connell thinks they can eventually make those plays.

“I feel great about where Kirk’s headed and obviously there’s some things we can really coach hard, I can coach better to help him be at his best and truly start maximizing what we’re going to become as an offense,” O’Connell said. “To sit here at 3-1 and know that there’s a lot of plays maybe we’re going to be able to call back upon to make those plays and score more points and all those things is much easier to have that dialogue knowing that we have been able to win some tough fought victories.”

Last season Cousins similarly had a slow start with ADOT. Through the first six weeks of 2021 he posted the fourth lowest ADOT in the league and then he jumped to the 11th highest in Weeks 6-12. It’s plausible we see that happen again.

26th in time of possession per drive and 21st in plays per drive

Pair this with the previous short-passing stat and you land on the conclusion that the Vikings aren’t very effective as a dink-and-dunk team. They are probably going to have to rely on explosive plays to have successful drives, which has often been the case with Cousins at QB. Since 2018 they have ranked 27th, 23rd, 19th, and 27th in plays per drive.

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A lot more at the link above.

When will the luck run out?

This is new:

Opposing kickers are 3-for-7, lowest % against in the league

And here’s one of the reasons for the low scoring output. The Vikings can’t expect teams to miss field goals at this rate for the whole season.

Fewest penalty yards in the NFL, opponents have the seventh most

This one goes in the luck category over the first four games and is bound to even out over the season. The bottom line for lots of these numbers is that the Vikings have to be better to sustain their success but there’s indicators that they can be.

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Post by diehardtwinsfan on Oct 5, 2022 9:36:03 GMT -6

3-1 is 3-1, and to be fair, if someone had said we'd have this record through the first 4 games, everyone would have been ecstatic. However, outside of the Packers game, every game has been ugly. I do like that they've found a way to win so to speak, something the Vikes of old never did well... but...

They cannot expect to go deep this winter continuing to win in this capacity, nor can they expect to keep reeling off the wins while winning ugly.

I do hope this still falls under growing pains of a new system. Someone said this offseason to expect a lot of ugly games early on. That someone wasn't wrong thus far as only the Packers game was one that I would call well played. I have more confidence in the offense right now than I do the defense.

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Post by Funkytown on Oct 5, 2022 10:16:08 GMT -6

Oct 5, 2022 6:44:48 GMT -6 Ted Glover said:

I am not going to feel bad about this team being 3-1, and I don't feel it's a 'soft' or 'fraudulent' 3-1.

Charmin Ultra Soft, to be exact.

I don't think anyone is asking you to feel bad, but remaining cautiously optimistic would probably be wise. After all, your tone after Week 1 ... into Week 3 and 4 was quite different, right? You went from "Super Bowl, homeboy" to "...yeeeeah, this ain't gonna cut it" pretty quickly. I warned you then, and I'll warn you now...

Oct 5, 2022 6:44:48 GMT -6 Ted Glover said:

This is a good football team at the quarter pole, and I am all in.

The Vikings aren't a good football team ... yet.

Can they be? Sure. Will they be? Not at this rate, not this season. After I healed from moving on from Zimmer, I convinced myself Cousins and the offense would be fun to watch, Hunter and Smith would be causing opposing quarterbacks to run for their lives, we'd run up the score and coast against bad teams, we'd lose some but would seriously compete and at least have something to build off of as we continue to improve, uh ... yeah, about that, ... we'd actually show improvement?

I was lied to. And now I'm getting upset. LOL. Just like last year, I'm upset that this team just freaking refuses to play a complete game, where all three phases show up. REFUSES! By my count, we've had one good half of football. ONE. We can't even string together a few quarters of good football right now, let alone a few games. We have won, in large part, due to luck ... against teams with serious flaws and key injuries. Yeah, it took luck and last second miracles to beat the Lions and Saints. ...yay? So far, this team is the 2021 Vikings 2.0, with better luck. No more, no less.

As others have said, thank goodness we're 3-1, and thank goodness we have an easy remaining schedule - Bears x2, Commanders, Jets, Colts, Giants, ... Patriots? Come on now. Everybody likes cupcakes, right?! You are what your record says you are. Yes, we're 3-1. And yes we'll win enough to get into the playoffs. But does that automatically mean we're a good football team? Context matters. Sometimes a cupcake schedule and luck do factor in a bit. Now, if we actually start taking care of business against some of these bad teams, and win comfortably, and at least put up a legitimate fight against the true contenders ... then we'll talk.

But if we're going to continue to squeak by the bad teams and get absolutely slaughtered by the good ones, no... we aren't good. And getting to the playoffs will be the equivalent to a participation trophy. "Thanks for playing. BYE!" I'm happy to be 3-1, and I'm cautiously optimistic that things start clicking soon, but, admittedly, I do have my doubts. Something just seems off. I get that it takes time, but we don't have a lot of it. This is the NFL season, not some audition. I always say, "Ask me in November and December." Well, we better improve quickly, because I fear the Eagles are going to stay hot and teams like the Bucs, Niners, Packers, Cowboys, Rams, and Cardinals start to figure it out.

In sum: Fraudulent 3-1? Yes and no. The NFC sucks, and we're one of the beneficiaries so far, but winning with so much luck isn't sustainable.

...we're not the Packers. *tongue*

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