Purple Path Forward - Down and Dirty With the Saints Week 4
Quick and dirty with the Saints! What do the Saints know about quick and dirty?
[Jameis Winston has entered the thread]
A lot. The Saints know a lot about quick and dirty.
The problem is, even three games in, I’m not sure who the real Saints are.
1 - They played a bad Falcons team, looked bad, and won.
2 - They played an allegedly good Buccaneers team, looked good, and lost*.
3 - They played a questionable Panthers team and lost.
*This Bucs game is why I have a difficult time evaluating the Saints. I don’t think the Bucs are a great team this year, Good but not great. I think they are as much reputation as quality. This matters a lot for evaluating the Saints because in a preview, I will forgive losses against great teams, but I don’t know if the Bucs are good or great. Add to that, the game swung significantly when Marshon Lattimore was ejected.
So, are the Saints a good team that had a bump against the Panthers in a divisional game on the road? Or are they a bad team who is just a furious comeback vs a bad Falcons team away from being 0-3?
So the trend of the team is fuzzy. Here is a trend that is not fuzzy: their opponents’ No. 1 receiver matched up against Lattimore:
Drake London: 5 catches / 74 yards / 0 TDs
Mike Evans: 3 catches / 61 yards / 0 TDs
DJ Moore: 1 catch / 2 yards
That Drake London performance stands out, a rookie in his first game had success against Lattimore? Or did he? An example from that game:
Here, Pitts is lined up in a WR bunch and Lattimore follows him down the seam. The Falcons were basically lining up and using Pitts as a WR (note, I don’t like this for the Falcons because it gets Pitts on guys like Lattimore instead of guys like Jordan Hicks). But let’s correct that list:
Drake London: 5 catches / 74 yards / 0 TDs
Kyle Pitts: 2 catches / 19 yards / 0 TDs
Mike Evans: 3 catches / 61 yards / 0 TDs
DJ Moore: 1 catch / 2 yards
Saints Key to the game: Marshon Lattimore is the Saints' most important player. The Saints offense isn’t elite, and Lattimore allows the defense to play an easier game, taking a receiver away. It will be interesting to see what kind of performance Justin Jefferson has to add to this list.
Key stat for the Saints, turnovers:
Vs Falcons: 1 (Win)
Vs Bucs: 5 (Loss)
Vs Panthers: 3 (Loss)
Turnovers are always key, but the question is how you get them. The Saints game vs the Bucs was the highlight here. Winston was managing the game, then things got intense with a fight and the energy went way up. Winston responded by throwing three picks, punctuated by this gem of a pick-6:
This had no chance. Winston is the epitome of a try harder, not smarter guy and the Vikings will need to take advantage of this.
Let’s go back to the quick and dirtiness of this game, Winston isn’t good at dirty, a scheme can beat him. This game may be dirtier than some because both teams will lose a full day traveling to London, that's good for the Vikings because the key to the game is....
How to Beat the Saints
Confuse Jameis Winston. Lattimore and the Saints defense can keep this game competitive, but they aren’t so elite that they can overcome giving the opponents extra possessions. The deep shell the Vikings have been playing may be an asset in this game as Winston often gets burned trying to go deep too aggressively. I also don’t think Eric Kendricks and Harrison Smith are the players they once were, but this game should play to their strengths – if one of them can get into the right spot in coverage once or twice, cutting off a passing lane can be enough to swing a win. And they have both always had good hands to turn a pass deflected into a big play.
[Jameis Winston has entered the thread]
A lot. The Saints know a lot about quick and dirty.
The problem is, even three games in, I’m not sure who the real Saints are.
1 - They played a bad Falcons team, looked bad, and won.
2 - They played an allegedly good Buccaneers team, looked good, and lost*.
3 - They played a questionable Panthers team and lost.
*This Bucs game is why I have a difficult time evaluating the Saints. I don’t think the Bucs are a great team this year, Good but not great. I think they are as much reputation as quality. This matters a lot for evaluating the Saints because in a preview, I will forgive losses against great teams, but I don’t know if the Bucs are good or great. Add to that, the game swung significantly when Marshon Lattimore was ejected.
So, are the Saints a good team that had a bump against the Panthers in a divisional game on the road? Or are they a bad team who is just a furious comeback vs a bad Falcons team away from being 0-3?
So the trend of the team is fuzzy. Here is a trend that is not fuzzy: their opponents’ No. 1 receiver matched up against Lattimore:
Drake London: 5 catches / 74 yards / 0 TDs
Mike Evans: 3 catches / 61 yards / 0 TDs
DJ Moore: 1 catch / 2 yards
That Drake London performance stands out, a rookie in his first game had success against Lattimore? Or did he? An example from that game:
Here, Pitts is lined up in a WR bunch and Lattimore follows him down the seam. The Falcons were basically lining up and using Pitts as a WR (note, I don’t like this for the Falcons because it gets Pitts on guys like Lattimore instead of guys like Jordan Hicks). But let’s correct that list:
Kyle Pitts: 2 catches / 19 yards / 0 TDs
Mike Evans: 3 catches / 61 yards / 0 TDs
DJ Moore: 1 catch / 2 yards
Saints Key to the game: Marshon Lattimore is the Saints' most important player. The Saints offense isn’t elite, and Lattimore allows the defense to play an easier game, taking a receiver away. It will be interesting to see what kind of performance Justin Jefferson has to add to this list.
Key stat for the Saints, turnovers:
Vs Falcons: 1 (Win)
Vs Bucs: 5 (Loss)
Vs Panthers: 3 (Loss)
Turnovers are always key, but the question is how you get them. The Saints game vs the Bucs was the highlight here. Winston was managing the game, then things got intense with a fight and the energy went way up. Winston responded by throwing three picks, punctuated by this gem of a pick-6:
This had no chance. Winston is the epitome of a try harder, not smarter guy and the Vikings will need to take advantage of this.
Let’s go back to the quick and dirtiness of this game, Winston isn’t good at dirty, a scheme can beat him. This game may be dirtier than some because both teams will lose a full day traveling to London, that's good for the Vikings because the key to the game is....
How to Beat the Saints
Confuse Jameis Winston. Lattimore and the Saints defense can keep this game competitive, but they aren’t so elite that they can overcome giving the opponents extra possessions. The deep shell the Vikings have been playing may be an asset in this game as Winston often gets burned trying to go deep too aggressively. I also don’t think Eric Kendricks and Harrison Smith are the players they once were, but this game should play to their strengths – if one of them can get into the right spot in coverage once or twice, cutting off a passing lane can be enough to swing a win. And they have both always had good hands to turn a pass deflected into a big play.