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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 21, 2022 20:16:01 GMT -6

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Post by Funkytown on Apr 21, 2022 20:16:01 GMT -6

Lots of talk about the top CBs being gone:

12. MINNESOTA VIKINGS: ED GEORGE KARLAFTIS PURDUE

PFF MOCK DRAFT SIMULATOR Grade: A+

In this exercise, the Vikings miss on their biggest need — cornerback — after the top three go off the board before this pick. While they could reach for Tyler Linderbaum to shore up their interior offensive line, we’ll take George Karlaftis to give them much needed pass-rushing depth. Danielle Hunter has been spectacular when on the field, never grading below a 75.0 since his rookie year, but missed all of 2020 with a herniated disk and half of 2021 due to a torn pectoral. New acquisition Za’Darius Smith should help alleviate some of these concerns, but he will be on the wrong side of 30 when the season starts. Karlaftis’ 25.4% pass rush win rate ranked fifth in the FBS last season among players with at least 250 pass-rush snaps, giving the Vikings much needed pass rush juice with the frame and strength to bump inside on pass-rush downs if necessary. — CM

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13. HOUSTON TEXANS (VIA CLE): S KYLE HAMILTON, NOTRE DAME

PFF MOCK DRAFT SIMULATOR Grade: A+

This is a spot where the Texans should be ecstatic to see Hamilton. While he may be one of the best players in the class, taking a safety in the top three (the Texans also have the third pick), isn’t financially smart long-term. However, getting Hamilton at pick 13 should be a no-brainer. The Texans have needs at almost every position, so they should be going best player available, which in this case is Hamilton. — AM

14. BALTIMORE RAVENS: DT JORDAN DAVIS, GEORGIA

PFF MOCK DRAFT SIMULATOR Grade: A-

The Ravens are going to see a shift in their style of defense going from the uber-aggressive Wink Martindale as defensive coordinator to Mike Macdonald, who has roots in more two-high structures. The two-high defense relies on its spine starting with a nose tackle that can take up two gaps in the run game, and there is no better prospect in this draft to do that with than Jordan Davis. Davis was this year’s combine darling with 98th percentile height, 95th percentile weight and an absurd 40-yard dash time of 4.78. Davis might not always show up on the stat sheet, but he will be a critical piece in Baltimore’s defense as they shift to a new scheme. — TS

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 21, 2022 21:24:42 GMT -6

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Post by vikingpwr on Apr 21, 2022 21:24:42 GMT -6

Apr 21, 2022 13:00:46 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Soooooo much to say.

First, Minnesota will be in a 4-2-5 more than 50% of the time. Probably closer to 60%. We as fans are getting too caught up in projecting for 3-4. Which will be used about half as much.

Didn't Phillips say he's going to line up exactly in front of the Center. That's not what a 5T does. He did say he envisioned sliding over to 3T in Nickel but I'm skeptical he's on the field on passing downs.

So you ink the #7 rated run stuffer last year, who says he's coming to town to stop the run and create gaps for Hicks to shine and then immediately draft his replacement?

No, Horrible Harry didn't sign for so much that he's guaranteed to start. But he offers little as a pass rusher from any spot on the Line in any formation. Why double down by adding another run stuffer who also can't pressure the QB?

Davis was a 2 down player at Goergia who had trouble with weight and conditioning, evident last year, and displayed virtually no consistent pass rushing moves or instincts. And he plays with a high pad level. Is he crazy athletic? Yes. But that didn't manifest itself often at all in college, which isn't a good sign.

You pick Jordan and now you still need another consistent pass rusher, be it 5T, 3T or Edge. I just don't see Phillips as a 5T when they're in a 3-4. And if I'm an OC and I see Harry and Jordan on the field at the same time I'm going hurry up to keep them on the field knowing my QB isn't going to be getting pressured up the middle unless Minnesota runs a game with stunts/twists or blitzes.

Second. If Minnesota drafts Stingley it's because Daronte Jones has zero concerns about his character and the new Training Staff gives him a clean bill of health. And I will support that pick 1,000%. This is the same kid who battled JaMar Chase and JJ to a standstill in practice and dealt with all those high draft pick Bama WRs (and plenty others from the rest of the SEC) with zero issues as a Freshman.

He skated by a bit his Freshman year in terms of sheer talent versus technique. As he started working more on technique he had some struggles. Who cares? I'd be more concerned if he wasn't interested in getting better at the fundamentals. But that part of his development got derailed by the shortened COVID year, which got sick during, and his ankle and foot injuries.

This new guy from the Rams played a role in their unique stretch of health. If he says Derek is fine and Jones says the kid has his head on straight then the Vikings would be getting a Top 5 player.

Third. Mcduffie shouldn't be comped to Jaire Alexander. Jaire has significantly longer arms. He's going to get eaten alive by taller WRs on the outside which necessitate a move to the Slot. But even if he stays outside he's still having to make up for his size deficiencies. I just don't see a guy who's so damn good on tape (against meh competition) that I throw the measurables out the window. And I sure as heck ain't picking him at #12.

TM at #12 would likely be the only scenario next week that would make me question the New Regime. Other than if Hamilton somehow slid and they passed on him. I'd be fine with picking McD after a trade back. Just not at #12.

FSU........you're one strongly opinionated MF on here. First off, I'm not challenging you, nor am I calling you out so please don't be defensive.

I get the gist of a 4-2-5 but IYHO what players on our CURRENT roster (before the upcoming draft) do you feel will thrive in it?

Thanks............

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 21, 2022 22:32:25 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by legendsofthenorth on Apr 21, 2022 22:32:25 GMT -6

Apr 21, 2022 21:24:42 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Apr 21, 2022 13:00:46 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Soooooo much to say.

First, Minnesota will be in a 4-2-5 more than 50% of the time. Probably closer to 60%. We as fans are getting too caught up in projecting for 3-4. Which will be used about half as much.

Didn't Phillips say he's going to line up exactly in front of the Center. That's not what a 5T does. He did say he envisioned sliding over to 3T in Nickel but I'm skeptical he's on the field on passing downs.

So you ink the #7 rated run stuffer last year, who says he's coming to town to stop the run and create gaps for Hicks to shine and then immediately draft his replacement?

No, Horrible Harry didn't sign for so much that he's guaranteed to start. But he offers little as a pass rusher from any spot on the Line in any formation. Why double down by adding another run stuffer who also can't pressure the QB?

Davis was a 2 down player at Goergia who had trouble with weight and conditioning, evident last year, and displayed virtually no consistent pass rushing moves or instincts. And he plays with a high pad level. Is he crazy athletic? Yes. But that didn't manifest itself often at all in college, which isn't a good sign.

You pick Jordan and now you still need another consistent pass rusher, be it 5T, 3T or Edge. I just don't see Phillips as a 5T when they're in a 3-4. And if I'm an OC and I see Harry and Jordan on the field at the same time I'm going hurry up to keep them on the field knowing my QB isn't going to be getting pressured up the middle unless Minnesota runs a game with stunts/twists or blitzes.

Second. If Minnesota drafts Stingley it's because Daronte Jones has zero concerns about his character and the new Training Staff gives him a clean bill of health. And I will support that pick 1,000%. This is the same kid who battled JaMar Chase and JJ to a standstill in practice and dealt with all those high draft pick Bama WRs (and plenty others from the rest of the SEC) with zero issues as a Freshman.

He skated by a bit his Freshman year in terms of sheer talent versus technique. As he started working more on technique he had some struggles. Who cares? I'd be more concerned if he wasn't interested in getting better at the fundamentals. But that part of his development got derailed by the shortened COVID year, which got sick during, and his ankle and foot injuries.

This new guy from the Rams played a role in their unique stretch of health. If he says Derek is fine and Jones says the kid has his head on straight then the Vikings would be getting a Top 5 player.

Third. Mcduffie shouldn't be comped to Jaire Alexander. Jaire has significantly longer arms. He's going to get eaten alive by taller WRs on the outside which necessitate a move to the Slot. But even if he stays outside he's still having to make up for his size deficiencies. I just don't see a guy who's so damn good on tape (against meh competition) that I throw the measurables out the window. And I sure as heck ain't picking him at #12.

TM at #12 would likely be the only scenario next week that would make me question the New Regime. Other than if Hamilton somehow slid and they passed on him. I'd be fine with picking McD after a trade back. Just not at #12.

FSU........you're one strongly opinionated MF on here. First off, I'm not challenging you, nor am I calling you out so please don't be defensive.

I get the gist of a 4-2-5 but IYHO what players on our CURRENT roster (before the upcoming draft) do you feel will thrive in it?

Thanks............

Obviously the 4-2-5 will be mostly passing downs...lol but our ILBs should flourish on those downs. Only 2 LBs with over 100 tackles and 4 sacks. Both good in coverage too

I think the front 4 will be the key to having the back 5 be good or atleast decent. No one is praying for health of those edge pass rushers more than me in 2022...lol

I am in the minority and really don't mind the 5T rotation they will have currently. Let them compete and hopefully one or two can ball out.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 21, 2022 23:00:53 GMT -6 suncoastvike, andhesloose28, and 1 more like this

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Apr 21, 2022 7:38:16 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

I think ive seen you say you would rather take Johnson but what if you knew Davis would become a Vita Vea.

What if you knew Johnson would become Nick Bosa?

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 21, 2022 23:28:10 GMT -6 legendsofthenorth likes this

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Apr 21, 2022 13:00:46 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

If Minnesota drafts Stingley it's because Daronte Jones has zero concerns about his character and the new Training Staff gives him a clean bill of health. And I will support that pick 1,000%.

Great Post FSU, agree entirely about Stingley. Having Daronte on staff gives the Vikings a big advantage when it comes to evaluating Stinger. If they pick him I would be very happy, if they let him slide past then maybe they know something we don't.

Apr 21, 2022 13:00:46 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Third. Mcduffie shouldn't be comped to Jaire Alexander. Jaire has significantly longer arms. He's going to get eaten alive by taller WRs on the outside which necessitate a move to the Slot.

Yeah, as soon as I saw the Jaire comparison I just *loling*

and kept scrolling.
I really don't get how "experts" are completely ignoring the arm length issue. IMO you can't play as an outside corner with short arms, history tells us that quite clearly.

Apr 21, 2022 13:00:46 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

TM at #12 would likely be the only scenario next week that would make me question the New Regime. Other than if Hamilton somehow slid and they passed on him.

I said the same thing weeks ago *thumb_up*

Apr 21, 2022 13:00:46 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

I'd be fine with picking McD after a trade back. Just not at #12.

This is where we have a difference of opinion. I wouldn't want him in the 1st as I regard him as a slot only corner. A 1st rounder has to be a difference maker to me, and a slot corner ain't it.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 23, 2022 11:04:08 GMT -6

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Post by Purple Pain on Apr 23, 2022 11:04:08 GMT -6

Predictions that would have an impact.

Treash: 8 predictions ahead of the 2022 NFL Draft

THE TOP THREE PICKS ARE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, KAYVON THIBODEAUX AND TRAVON WALKER — IN THAT ORDER
Between Walker’s rise and Thibodeaux’s puzzling fall, this top three scenario would catch some by surprise, but I think it will actually happen.

Hutchinson is undoubtedly a safer option than Walker, as he wouldn’t have a long developmental process like the Georgia product. The former Michigan Wolverine and Heisman finalist is the clear best prospect in this class, as Hutchinson is fresh off a historic 2021 campaign that ended in an FBS-best 94.5 PFF grade and a record-shattering PFF wins above average (WAA) total. The latter beat out extraordinary seasons from Chase Young, Joey Bosa and Nick Bosa to be the best by an FBS edge defender in the PFF College era.

The Michigan edge defender always has a plan, as he knows how to set tackles up and consistently forces them to open the door to the counter back inside. His advanced pass-rushing skill set gives him one of the highest floors in this class, making him too good for Jacksonville to pass on.

Thibodeaux landing at No. 2 appears likely. He isn’t the most refined pass-rusher in the class, but that didn’t stop him from earning an elite 91.5 pass-rush grade in 2021. Considering the 6-foot-4, 251-pound edge defender has some outings where opponents schemed around him, that’s quite impressive. Thibodeaux boasts all the tools NFL teams desire on the edge and showed improvement throughout his college career. If he can continue on that path of refinement, he can be an NFL All-Pro.

NO QUARTERBACKS GET SELECTED IN THE TOP 10
Now, this would be a surprise to many and cause some possible uproar across the league with quarterback-needy teams such as the New Orleans Saints and Pittsburgh Steelers. Right now, the only franchise that's picking in the top 10 and could take a quarterback is the Carolina Panthers, but with how pressed the staff is to show immediate progress, they could opt to acquire a veteran instead of a rookie. While wide receiver Robby Anderson would not be a fan of the move, Baker Mayfield is a real option for the team.

Malik Willis‘ long road of development and the concern regarding how Kenny Pickett’s game is going to translate to the NFL could push the Panthers toward Mayfield. Willis does have a big arm and elite athleticism that helped him to an FBS-leading big-time throw rate and rushing grade in 2021, but he’s a raw quarterback who has displayed poor mechanics, decision-making and pocket presence. The biggest issue with Pickett’s game is how slow he processes and how willing he is to hold onto the ball. His average time to throw in 2021 was 3.2 seconds, which would have been the slowest in the NFL this past season. That’s not going to fly.

FOUR OFFENSIVE TACKLES ARE SELECTED IN THE TOP 10
This coincides with the “no quarterbacks in the top 10” bold prediction. The Houston Texans, New York Jets, Giants, Panthers and Seattle Seahawks could take a swing on a tackle with their top 10 selections. Alabama’s Evan Neal, NC State’s Ikem Ekwonu and Mississippi State’s Charles Cross should all get selected inside the top 10 while Northern Iowa’s Trevor Penning is the fourth wild card.

Taking Penning inside the top 10 is not something I would support, but it’s certainly in the cards, especially considering Seattle’s track record and need. Right now, the Seahawks have Stone Forsythe and Jake Curhan slotted as their starting tackles. Forsythe has 14 career snaps while Curhan posted a 37.2 pass-blocking grade as a rookie in 2021.

SEVEN WIDE RECEIVERS GO IN THE FIRST ROUND, TYING THE RECORD
Seven wide receivers went in the first round of the 2004 NFL Draft — the most ever. This year, that record could be matched, as Williams, London, Wilson, Olave, Treylon Burks and Jahan Dotson should all be first-round picks come Thursday night. Dotson has the lowest odds of the bunch to be taken in Round 1, and he’s still a decent favorite at -145 on DraftKings Sportsbook. The seventh wide receiver could be Watson, who is even money to be a first-round pick.

Watson has been one of the pre-draft process' biggest winners, thanks to impressive performances at the Senior Bowl and NFL scouting combine. In fact, one Power Five head coach told PFF that the 6-foot-4, 208-pounder was the best wideout in attendance at the Senior Bowl, and he followed that up with a 4.36-second 40-yard dash, a 1.46-second 10-yard split, a 39-inch vertical and an 11-foot-4 broad jump at the combine. For a man his size, those times and measurements are almost hard to believe.

The North Dakota State product was a part of a run-heavy offense, but he still managed an 89.5 receiving grade and an astounding 4.33 yards per route run in 2021. He’s still a relatively raw player but has shown improvement in all areas — from his ball skills to his route running to his ability to get off press coverage.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 24, 2022 10:32:43 GMT -6

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Post by indianavikes on Apr 24, 2022 10:32:43 GMT -6

i just saw one mock draft this morning.

Kansas City sends picks No. 29, No. 50, and a 2023 first-rounder for pick No. 12 from Minnesota. KC picks Jameson Williams WR as 12th pick.
Vikings pick Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington. would you pull this trigger?

IMO, I don't like this mock trade. i think Trent McDuffie may be gone before No, 29. 2023 first rounder could be as late as 30-32 pick.

Another scenario is Kansas City sends picks No. 29, No. 30, No. 50, and a 2023 first-rounder for pick No. 12 from Minnesota. Would you go for it?

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 24, 2022 10:48:19 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan and snotbubbles like this

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Post by NoresemanSam on Apr 24, 2022 10:48:19 GMT -6

Apr 24, 2022 10:32:43 GMT -6 indianavikes said:

would you pull this trigger?

Absolutely not. That's an awful trade.

Apr 24, 2022 10:32:43 GMT -6 indianavikes said:

Another scenario is Kansas City sends picks No. 29, No. 30, No. 50, and a 2023 first-rounder for pick No. 12 from Minnesota. Would you go for it?

I would jump on this one.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 24, 2022 11:44:45 GMT -6 Purple Pain likes this

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Post by dauntessmallhands on Apr 24, 2022 11:44:45 GMT -6

Let's play a little 'would you rather'. (my kids do this all the time)

-Hamilton is available at 12. But London, Karlaftis, Lloyd, Wyatt, Jordan Davis, Booth and Jermaine Johnson are still on the board. If either the eagles or saints offered you both of their first rounders, would you pick Hamilton or trade down?

-If Williams, Wilson and London were all on the board at 12, would you pick one of them or try to trade down a couple spots for a 2nd and/or more and still try to get one of them at like 14-17?

-Would you take one of Willis, Pickett, Howell or Ridder if they dropped to our 2nd round pick? Or WyR trade down for a 2nd and 3rd?

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 24, 2022 12:56:34 GMT -6 Purple Pain likes this

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Apr 24, 2022 11:44:45 GMT -6 dauntessmallhands said:

Let's play a little 'would you rather'. (my kids do this all the time)

-Hamilton is available at 12. But London, Karlaftis, Lloyd, Wyatt, Jordan Davis, Booth and Jermaine Johnson are still on the board. If either the eagles or saints offered you both of their first rounders, would you pick Hamilton or trade down?

I like this game. This is fairly easy - Getting both firsts from the Eagles (15 & 18) or Saints (16 & 19) would be a massive over pay on their part. There's no way we get an extra 1st for moving down 3-4 picks - but for your hypothetical I accept that as fast as I can.

I'm going to make it a bit tougher switch this to the Chiefs (29 & 30) or Packers (22 & 28) offering both of their firsts for #12. If Hamilton is on the board, I think I would accept the Packers but decline the Chiefs in that situation. Counting up the players I would be happy with, I can get to 22, but not to 29. #12 for #29 +#30 is close to a push on the draft value chart, but if Hamilton really is a top 5 talent, that breaks the tie in favor of taking the elite palyer.

Apr 24, 2022 11:44:45 GMT -6 dauntessmallhands said:

-If Williams, Wilson and London were all on the board at 12, would you pick one of them or try to trade down a couple spots for a 2nd and/or more and still try to get one of them at like 14-17?

I think Garrett Wilson key for me out of this group - if he is on the board, it probably means the top defensive players are all gone: Derek Stingley, Kyle Hamilton & Jermain Johnson (maybe). So the decision for me is Garrett Wilson at #12 or someone from the next tier group like: CBs McDuffie / Booth, Jordan Davis, or leftovers at receiver + a 3rd or 4th round pick.

While I really like KJ Osborn, the offense without Thielen didn't look great. If the Vikings do use a lot of 3WR + 1TE sets, that's a top 4 pass catchers of Jefferson, Thielen, Osborn & Irv; even in an ideal situation, all 4 of those guys don't play 100% of snaps, so they need a 5th guys to guarantee the offense is threatening at all times.

So I pick Wilson and don't worry about the grab bag of guys in the 4th round.

Apr 24, 2022 11:44:45 GMT -6 dauntessmallhands said:

-Would you take one of Willis, Pickett, Howell or Ridder if they dropped to our 2nd round pick? Or WyR trade down for a 2nd and 3rd?

Only Willis.

If they have fallen, that is a lot of QB needy teams that will have done due diligence and decided "Those guys aren't worth a 1st" and any good QB is worth a 1st. This was sort of the feeling I had with Fields in 2021. The Broncos and Panthers REALLY needed QBs and both passed. Based on how Fields looked with Chicago, early returns say they were right. Willis at least has the upside to be groomed for 2-3 years.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 25, 2022 6:27:03 GMT -6

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Apr 24, 2022 12:56:34 GMT -6 MidwinterViking said:

I like this game. This is fairly easy - Getting both firsts from the Eagles (15 & 18) or Saints (16 & 19) would be a massive over pay on their part. There's no way we get an extra 1st for moving down 3-4 picks - but for your hypothetical I accept that as fast as I can.

I'm going to make it a bit tougher switch this to the Chiefs (29 & 30) or Packers (22 & 28) offering both of their firsts for #12. If Hamilton is on the board, I think I would accept the Packers but decline the Chiefs in that situation. Counting up the players I would be happy with, I can get to 22, but not to 29. #12 for #29 +#30 is close to a push on the draft value chart, but if Hamilton really is a top 5 talent, that breaks the tie in favor of taking the elite palyer.

I'm kind of hoping something like the Eagles/Saints happens, but I agree that's a pipe dream. I'd also add that it might be still possible to use either of those picks to move further back in round 1 and pickup a 1st next year too. I could still see KC in particular moving up if they felt an impact piece was there. Your likely picking up pick number 29-32 in 2023, but that's still extra ammo to move around and get the QB they want to replace Cousins.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 25, 2022 7:34:52 GMT -6 Danchat likes this

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Post by andhesloose28 on Apr 25, 2022 7:34:52 GMT -6

We are getting a lot of steam of being linked to Trent McDuffie. Im sure there is talk about him on previous pages but I am lazy..How would you guys feel about that pick at 12? Me personally I would rather trade back and try and get him.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 25, 2022 7:43:43 GMT -6 Purple Pain and NoresemanSam like this

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Apr 25, 2022 6:27:03 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

Apr 24, 2022 12:56:34 GMT -6 MidwinterViking said:

I like this game. This is fairly easy - Getting both firsts from the Eagles (15 & 18) or Saints (16 & 19) would be a massive over pay on their part. There's no way we get an extra 1st for moving down 3-4 picks - but for your hypothetical I accept that as fast as I can.

I'm going to make it a bit tougher switch this to the Chiefs (29 & 30) or Packers (22 & 28) offering both of their firsts for #12. If Hamilton is on the board, I think I would accept the Packers but decline the Chiefs in that situation. Counting up the players I would be happy with, I can get to 22, but not to 29. #12 for #29 +#30 is close to a push on the draft value chart, but if Hamilton really is a top 5 talent, that breaks the tie in favor of taking the elite palyer.

I'm kind of hoping something like the Eagles/Saints happens, but I agree that's a pipe dream. I'd also add that it might be still possible to use either of those picks to move further back in round 1 and pickup a 1st next year too. I could still see KC in particular moving up if they felt an impact piece was there. Your likely picking up pick number 29-32 in 2023, but that's still extra ammo to move around and get the QB they want to replace Cousins.

When looking at the value of the #12 pic in a vacuum, I would say "No way, that valuation is insane". However there is one possibility that I won't rule out.

Possibility 1 - All the 2022 QBs stink and everyone know it - in this case, the 1st round plays out like most mock drafts. Nobody reaches for a QB and the Vikings are looking at a board with one of: Garrett Wilson / Jermaine Johnson / Jameson Williams / Jordan Davis / Trent McDuffie as the "best player available". Since everyone knows the QBs stink, no huge trade offers come in for Pickett or Willis. This is the worst case for the Vikings and it's not that bad. There are enough people out there pounding the table for Johnson / McDuffie / Davis / Wilson that I will trust the Vikings scouts to know who really is the best player available.

Possibility 2 - Teams reach for QBs - Teams are desperate for QBs and one or two of Willis & Picket are taken before Pick #12. This makes a lot of sense to me. Carolina needs hope. I don't believe Seattle when they say "In Drew Lock we trust". The Giants have to recognize the horrible reality of Daniel Jones. The Saints need a QB and have the ammo to move ahead of any of those teams. There are 6 players I consider mortal locks to go before #12: Hutchenson, Neal, Thibodeaux, Walker, Ekwonu, Gardner. + 1-2 QBs. Suddenly there will be one of the last consensus "Elite" players left at 12... there aren't enough picks left for all of Hamilton, Stingley, Cross and Wilson to be taken before 12. In this situation, I think the Vikings are happy to pick because they get an elite guy. Trader offers would be strong, but not crazy inflated to the point the Vikings couldn't say no.

And finally the one that could upset value
Possibility 3 - There is only 1 good QB and he is on the board at 12 - If the top 9 team / 11 picks stick to their board, but more than team below the Vikings likes Malik Willis i.e. Saints, Steelers, Bucs. In that case the price to trade up to #12 could be much higher than the charts say it's worth. Teams are willing to pay for QBs, so the draft pick value chart goes out the window and the price is: "more than the other teams are willing to give"

There is just one huge flaw with that scenario 3: those teams that want to come up for Willis would probably be on the phone with every team ahead of the Vikings trying to make that same "over pay" deal. Teams in the 5-11 range are already committed to taking a non-QB, so they would all have to turn down a premium trade for a premium player. It's possible, but not something I'm going to count on.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 25, 2022 7:49:15 GMT -6 andhesloose28 likes this

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Apr 25, 2022 7:34:52 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

We are getting a lot of steam of being linked to Trent McDuffie. Im sure there is talk about him on previous pages but I am lazy..How would you guys feel about that pick at 12? Me personally I would rather trade back and try and get him.

From what I've seen, several of the best draft experts on this board say he is a reach at 12 based on physical traits.

For me, he is the worst player that I would still be happy with at #12. I don't like him as much as Stingley, but I love the things I read in his profile. If the Vikings scouts are willing to say that he's their guy - and know that they can't get him with a trade back - I would overlook his smaller size and get on board. At the end of the day, he's the same size as Antoine Winfield Jr, so I can live with that.

I also think that "steam" is based on nothing more than "Vikings need a corner, here is the next corner on my list" while guys do mock drafts.

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With the 12th pick, your Minnesota Vikings select... Apr 25, 2022 8:44:45 GMT -6 Danchat and Brandon like this

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Latest from PFF:

12. MINNESOTA VIKINGS: WR JAMESON WILLIAMS, ALABAMA
6-foot-1, 179 pounds | Age: 21 (3/26/2001)
PFF BIG BOARD Rank: 9
Media Consensus Rank: 11

Minnesota is one of the best landing spots for Alabama wideout Jameson Williams. With Adam Thielen and Justin Jefferson still leading receiving corps, the Vikings don’t need to rush Williams back from the torn ACL he suffered in the College Football Playoff National Championship on Jan. 10, 2022. And if Williams didn’t get hurt in that game, I’m of the opinion that he’d be the consensus WR1 in the 2022 class. His speed and movement skills are a tier above any other pass-catcher entering this year’s draft, and he’s still just scratching the surface on his route-running technique having just one season with more than 20 targets under his belt.

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www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-mock-draft-jacksonville-jaguars-travon-walker-pittsburgh-steelers-malik-willis

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