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Post by Jor-El on Dec 27, 2021 12:08:12 GMT -6

Dec 26, 2021 21:58:18 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Dec 26, 2021 20:57:42 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Was listening to KFAN earlier (after the game) and they were discussing how little the draft class has contributed this season, and that's on Spielman. Basically, there were too many project picks for a team in win-now mode. Basically, we needed more from the draft class, especially those 3rd and 4th-rounders, and they're nowhere to be found. I've said this before, but the "draft for the future" makes it seem like Spielman is safe, at least in some capacity (if you believe the promotion rumors). The guys were arguing that it put Zimmer in a tough spot. I think it's hard to expect a ton from a draft class, but I get where they are coming from. Before Darrisaw and Nwangwu got out there, the snaps for rookies were extremely low.

Interesting. I think Rick thought the Offense was set and Darrisaw was going to be a day one starter. He doing good now. The Mond pick was obviously one for the future and Chazz Surratt was way to raw for that high. We basically threw the 3rd round away twice for 2021 anyhow. I think he did reach too much thinking we were more set on defense with the FA's we signed and Hunter and Pierce returning. I really doubt he thought we'd need much from the rookie class this year so out thunk himself with guys he thought had up side for next year. I don't know if that was because he knew he was safe or just underestimated our immediate needs.

Interesting but I think you're both giving Spielman excess credit by saying he "out thunk himself" or that he made some choice between "win now" and "develop for the future". How about this: the draft picks Spielman makes are mostly BAD PICKS. You think he chose Wyatt Davis instead of Kendrick Green (started at C for Steelers from day 1) because Davis had more "future potential"? Do you think Jeff Gladney, even if he had stayed out of trouble, would be better now than Winfield Jr. or Trevon Diggs, because he looked crappy in 2020 but Spielman saw his "future potential"?? No!! If players picked in rounds 1-3 are going to be good, they can probably contribute some time in their rookie season. If Spielman was picking guys in round 3-4 (Surratt, Jones, Robinson, Davis) who are multi-year projects, they would have been available a couple rounds later, so shame on him.

Or consider it this way: name a Vikings player who was picked in rounds 1-3, became a starter eventually, but did not play significantly as a rookie. None for the last decade or more. Even part-time contributors like Irv Smith and Jerrick McKinnon played in their rookie years. These day 2 picks (round 3) who can't help at all this year won't ever help. They aren't future picks, they are bad picks.

This scenario smells like bullsh*t, probably being spread by Spielman as he tries to distance himself from the obviously-foundering SS Zimmer.

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Dec 27, 2021 12:08:12 GMT -6 Jor-El said:

Dec 26, 2021 21:58:18 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Interesting. I think Rick thought the Offense was set and Darrisaw was going to be a day one starter. He doing good now. The Mond pick was obviously one for the future and Chazz Surratt was way to raw for that high. We basically threw the 3rd round away twice for 2021 anyhow. I think he did reach too much thinking we were more set on defense with the FA's we signed and Hunter and Pierce returning. I really doubt he thought we'd need much from the rookie class this year so out thunk himself with guys he thought had up side for next year. I don't know if that was because he knew he was safe or just underestimated our immediate needs.

Interesting but I think you're both giving Spielman excess credit by saying he "out thunk himself" or that he made some choice between "win now" and "develop for the future". How about this: the draft picks Spielman makes are mostly BAD PICKS. You think he chose Wyatt Davis instead of Kendrick Green (started at C for Steelers from day 1) because Davis had more "future potential"? Do you think Jeff Gladney, even if he had stayed out of trouble, would be better now than Winfield Jr. or Trevon Diggs, because he looked crappy in 2020 but Spielman saw his "future potential"?? No!! If players picked in rounds 1-3 are going to be good, they can probably contribute some time in their rookie season. If Spielman was picking guys in round 3-4 (Surratt, Jones, Robinson, Davis) who are multi-year projects, they would have been available a couple rounds later, so shame on him.

Or consider it this way: name a Vikings player who was picked in rounds 1-3, became a starter eventually, but did not play significantly as a rookie. None for the last decade or more. Even part-time contributors like Irv Smith and Jerrick McKinnon played in their rookie years. These day 2 picks (round 3) who can't help at all this year won't ever help. They aren't future picks, they are bad picks.

This scenario smells like bullsh*t, probably being spread by Spielman as he tries to distance himself from the obviously-foundering SS Zimmer.

Kendrick Green has been awful for the Steelers, and has been starting since day 1 because they have no depth. He’d be getting called a bust if he were a Viking.

The only guys who come to mind to fulfill your criteria are Waynes and Alexander, both played very little in their rookie years. Kyle Rudolph too. There aren’t a whole lot of examples of high picks sitting for us… making it a small sample size. And we’ve certainly never had 4 3rd round picks in a single year.

Your point stands, there is no excuse for blowing so many 1sts and spending high picks on project players. Especially when the team is supposedly in ‘win now’ mode.

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Post by Longship on Dec 27, 2021 13:23:52 GMT -6

Dec 27, 2021 12:08:12 GMT -6 Jor-El said:

Dec 26, 2021 21:58:18 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Interesting. I think Rick thought the Offense was set and Darrisaw was going to be a day one starter. He doing good now. The Mond pick was obviously one for the future and Chazz Surratt was way to raw for that high. We basically threw the 3rd round away twice for 2021 anyhow. I think he did reach too much thinking we were more set on defense with the FA's we signed and Hunter and Pierce returning. I really doubt he thought we'd need much from the rookie class this year so out thunk himself with guys he thought had up side for next year. I don't know if that was because he knew he was safe or just underestimated our immediate needs.

Interesting but I think you're both giving Spielman excess credit by saying he "out thunk himself" or that he made some choice between "win now" and "develop for the future". How about this: the draft picks Spielman makes are mostly BAD PICKS. You think he chose Wyatt Davis instead of Kendrick Green (started at C for Steelers from day 1) because Davis had more "future potential"? Do you think Jeff Gladney, even if he had stayed out of trouble, would be better now than Winfield Jr. or Trevon Diggs, because he looked crappy in 2020 but Spielman saw his "future potential"?? No!! If players picked in rounds 1-3 are going to be good, they can probably contribute some time in their rookie season. If Spielman was picking guys in round 3-4 (Surratt, Jones, Robinson, Davis) who are multi-year projects, they would have been available a couple rounds later, so shame on him.

Or consider it this way: name a Vikings player who was picked in rounds 1-3, became a starter eventually, but did not play significantly as a rookie. None for the last decade or more. Even part-time contributors like Irv Smith and Jerrick McKinnon played in their rookie years. These day 2 picks (round 3) who can't help at all this year won't ever help. They aren't future picks, they are bad picks.

This scenario smells like bullsh*t, probably being spread by Spielman as he tries to distance himself from the obviously-foundering SS Zimmer.

There's a bunch of really good stuff in Jor's post and it doesn't need any help from me, but I'm going to add something anyway.

He mentioned that even setting aside his off-field issues, Gladney was just a bad pick rather than one that deferred immediate contribution in favor of his supposed higher eventual ceiling, and I completely agree. What's also troubling about the Gladney pick was that he represented another blown 1st round choice at a position where the Vikings have been struggling to add talent through the draft for half a decade now. And those continued failures are, as much as anything, costing the Vikings the 2021 season.

A total bust like Gladney is bad enough in a vacuum, but that organizational failure continued a string of questionable CB draft choices that ranged from mediocre or erratic (Alexander, Dantzler) to disappointing (Waynes) to abject failures (Hughes, Gladney). And those failures became even more costly when the Vikings were forced to overpay for solid performance from one FA (PP) and abject failure from another (BB).

The idea that Spielman sacrificed on the 2021 roster by supposedly diving deep for higher potential is pretty bad on its own. But it's even worse when you stand it up next to the obvious and undeniable failure of the Vikings organization to turn enormous CB draft capital into anything even resembling a fair return on investment, and the disastrous defense that's led to on the field.

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Post by suncoastvike on Dec 27, 2021 13:26:03 GMT -6

Dec 27, 2021 12:08:12 GMT -6 Jor-El said:

Dec 26, 2021 21:58:18 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Interesting. I think Rick thought the Offense was set and Darrisaw was going to be a day one starter. He doing good now. The Mond pick was obviously one for the future and Chazz Surratt was way to raw for that high. We basically threw the 3rd round away twice for 2021 anyhow. I think he did reach too much thinking we were more set on defense with the FA's we signed and Hunter and Pierce returning. I really doubt he thought we'd need much from the rookie class this year so out thunk himself with guys he thought had up side for next year. I don't know if that was because he knew he was safe or just underestimated our immediate needs.

Interesting but I think you're both giving Spielman excess credit by saying he "out thunk himself" or that he made some choice between "win now" and "develop for the future". How about this: the draft picks Spielman makes are mostly BAD PICKS. You think he chose Wyatt Davis instead of Kendrick Green (started at C for Steelers from day 1) because Davis had more "future potential"? Do you think Jeff Gladney, even if he had stayed out of trouble, would be better now than Winfield Jr. or Trevon Diggs, because he looked crappy in 2020 but Spielman saw his "future potential"?? No!! If players picked in rounds 1-3 are going to be good, they can probably contribute some time in their rookie season. If Spielman was picking guys in round 3-4 (Surratt, Jones, Robinson, Davis) who are multi-year projects, they would have been available a couple rounds later, so shame on him.

Or consider it this way: name a Vikings player who was picked in rounds 1-3, became a starter eventually, but did not play significantly as a rookie. None for the last decade or more. Even part-time contributors like Irv Smith and Jerrick McKinnon played in their rookie years. These day 2 picks (round 3) who can't help at all this year won't ever help. They aren't future picks, they are bad picks.

This scenario smells like bullsh*t, probably being spread by Spielman as he tries to distance himself from the obviously-foundering SS Zimmer.

I didn't like the Surratt pick as our 2nd 3rd round pick at all. Davis I was OK with as was P Jones. I'll withhold judgment for now. I was just saying they kinda wasted the highest picks we had after Darrisaw on guys that would likely have to take time to develop. Mond I'm not going to say was a wasted pick because that would be hypocritical of me since I wanted to go after a QB this year and they used the next highest they had after a starter was picked 1st. I dont think I was defending Rick's draft record. Just saying what I thought he might have thunk. If Mond never develops that would not shock me. Surratt I'm not sure I'll ever like, at that draft spot and I scratched my head when he was picked. I don't really follow much NCAA like I used to but just his size made me go... huh? Seemed a bit light for an NFL LB. Just my 1st reaction. Then others were more critical and I felt it was a good/bad gut feeling.

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Post by Jor-El on Dec 27, 2021 14:12:55 GMT -6

Dec 27, 2021 13:26:03 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

I didn't like the Surratt pick as our 2nd 3rd round pick at all. Davis I was OK with as was P Jones. I'll withhold judgment for now. I was just saying they kinda wasted the highest picks we had after Darrisaw on guys that would likely have to take time to develop. Mond I'm not going to say was a wasted pick because that would be hypocritical of me since I wanted to go after a QB this year and they used the next highest they had after a starter was picked 1st. I dont think I was defending Rick's draft record. Just saying what I thought he might have thunk. If Mond never develops that would not shock me. Surratt I'm not sure I'll ever like, at that draft spot and I scratched my head when he was picked. I don't really follow much NCAA like I used to but just his size made me go... huh? Seemed a bit light for an NFL LB. Just my 1st reaction. Then others were more critical and I felt it was a good/bad gut feeling.

I know you weren't defending Spielman, but I think you got pulled into the narrative he is trying to push in defense of his drafting "skills". It's untrue; he has no track record of successfully getting "redshirt" players in the early rounds. Danchat did raise Waynes and Alexander, who are closest...but Waynes played some as a rookie; infinitely more than any of this year's 3rd-rounders. And Alexander...is he a success story?

Good call re Mond, though. The market demand for QB makes it one area where you have to draft higher, so the 3rd is a "developmental round" for it.

As for Davis and Jones, I actually liked those picks as well. But we're not grading Spielman on "would we amateur fans have made the same picks". His job isn't to match the consensus in fan guides but to identify the best players for the team.

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Post by pinfante79 on Dec 27, 2021 15:52:05 GMT -6

I'm just worn out by this team. I don't even know what direction I want them to go... We have too much talent to be 7-8. But it seems this always the story with this franchise regardless who coaches, GMs, or owns the team.

I just am at the point where my only opinions are don't piss off Jefferson and dear God don't trade future 1st round picks to move up and draft a QB. Ideally I'm team retread until further notice, whether it's Cousins, Carr, Watson, or Russ. Other than that I'll just sit back and let it unfold anyway it does just don't put an unknown likely to not work QB essentially on a credit card and trade our future. I'm 42 man, I got a solid 35 years of watching this sh*t under my belt I just know in my heart of hearts we ain't drafting the next HOF QB... We just aren't. We're the f*cking Vikings, if we didn't have bad luck we wouldn't have any.

Even though barring accidental death I plan to live to at least 100 I'm starting to think I'm not going to see one before I die....

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Post by Jor-El on Dec 27, 2021 16:26:32 GMT -6

Dec 27, 2021 15:52:05 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

I'm 42 man, I got a solid 35 years of watching this sh*t under my belt I just know in my heart of hearts we ain't drafting the next HOF QB... We just aren't. We're the f*cking Vikings, if we didn't have bad luck we wouldn't have any.

My friend...let me introduce you to the Indianapolis Colts. Art Schlicter (the ultimate "gambling quarterback".) John Elway (refused to play there!) Jeff George (without Denny Green to make him effective!) They should have just given up, right? And then...Peyton Manning.

Or the Patriots. They drafted Jim Plunkett, who made Sam Bradford look sturdy. Tony Eason (worst of the "Class of '83"). Drew Bledsoe. Give up? No, then they got Tom Brady.

The Chiefs rarely drafted QBs. Maybe they were shellshocked after thinking Todd Blackledge was better than Dan Marino or Jim Kelly. Guys like Trent Green, Elvis Grbac, Viking castoff Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith...they were "Team Retread" long before the Vikings! But then...Pat Mahomes.

My point: none of these teams had drafted the next HoF QB...until they did. Keep trying and you might. Stop trying and you won't.

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Dec 27, 2021 16:26:32 GMT -6 Jor-El said:

Dec 27, 2021 15:52:05 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

I'm 42 man, I got a solid 35 years of watching this sh*t under my belt I just know in my heart of hearts we ain't drafting the next HOF QB... We just aren't. We're the f*cking Vikings, if we didn't have bad luck we wouldn't have any.

My friend...let me introduce you to the Indianapolis Colts. Art Schlicter (the ultimate "gambling quarterback".) John Elway (refused to play there!) Jeff George (without Denny Green to make him effective!) They should have just given up, right? And then...Peyton Manning.

Or the Patriots. They drafted Jim Plunkett, who made Sam Bradford look sturdy. Tony Eason (worst of the "Class of '83"). Drew Bledsoe. Give up? No, then they got Tom Brady.

The Chiefs rarely drafted QBs. Maybe they were shellshocked after thinking Todd Blackledge was better than Dan Marino or Jim Kelly. Guys like Trent Green, Elvis Grbac, Viking castoff Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith...they were "Team Retread" long before the Vikings! But then...Pat Mahomes.

My point: none of these teams had drafted the next HoF QB...until they did. Keep trying and you might. Stop trying and you won't.

The Colts were awful and had the #1 pick at the right time.

Tom Brady was a 6th rounder...

I'm fine with drafting a QB at our pick... Especially outside of round 1.

I'm against mortgaging the future. HUGE difference.

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Dec 27, 2021 16:30:05 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

Dec 27, 2021 16:26:32 GMT -6 Jor-El said:

My friend...let me introduce you to the Indianapolis Colts. Art Schlicter (the ultimate "gambling quarterback".) John Elway (refused to play there!) Jeff George (without Denny Green to make him effective!) They should have just given up, right? And then...Peyton Manning.

Or the Patriots. They drafted Jim Plunkett, who made Sam Bradford look sturdy. Tony Eason (worst of the "Class of '83"). Drew Bledsoe. Give up? No, then they got Tom Brady.

The Chiefs rarely drafted QBs. Maybe they were shellshocked after thinking Todd Blackledge was better than Dan Marino or Jim Kelly. Guys like Trent Green, Elvis Grbac, Viking castoff Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith...they were "Team Retread" long before the Vikings! But then...Pat Mahomes.

My point: none of these teams had drafted the next HoF QB...until they did. Keep trying and you might. Stop trying and you won't.

The Colts were awful and had the #1 pick at the right time.

Tom Brady was a 6th rounder...

I'm fine with drafting a QB at our pick... Especially outside of round 1.

I'm against mortgaging the future. HUGE difference.

Fair enough and I'm with you on that. If we're in the top 5 and we need to send a 2nd rounder to move up a spot or two, fine. But I agree with you about the tactic the 49ers used to get Trey Lance.

However...you said, "We aren't going to draft the next HoF Quarterback." Well, we might. Keep hoping.

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Dec 27, 2021 16:30:05 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

Dec 27, 2021 16:26:32 GMT -6 Jor-El said:

My friend...let me introduce you to the Indianapolis Colts. Art Schlicter (the ultimate "gambling quarterback".) John Elway (refused to play there!) Jeff George (without Denny Green to make him effective!) They should have just given up, right? And then...Peyton Manning.

Or the Patriots. They drafted Jim Plunkett, who made Sam Bradford look sturdy. Tony Eason (worst of the "Class of '83"). Drew Bledsoe. Give up? No, then they got Tom Brady.

The Chiefs rarely drafted QBs. Maybe they were shellshocked after thinking Todd Blackledge was better than Dan Marino or Jim Kelly. Guys like Trent Green, Elvis Grbac, Viking castoff Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith...they were "Team Retread" long before the Vikings! But then...Pat Mahomes.

My point: none of these teams had drafted the next HoF QB...until they did. Keep trying and you might. Stop trying and you won't.

The Colts were awful and had the #1 pick at the right time.

Tom Brady was a 6th rounder...

I'm fine with drafting a QB at our pick... Especially outside of round 1.

I'm against mortgaging the future. HUGE difference.

Fran Tarkenton was drafted in the 3rd round and nobody but some dumb expansion team thought he could play in this league. Retired with EVERY record for QB's at the time. It been awhile but it has happened. Thing was...they took that risk. Twice actually. Once drafting him then again trading to get him back.
They come from all places you just have to try.

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Dec 28, 2021 5:10:19 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Dec 27, 2021 16:30:05 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

The Colts were awful and had the #1 pick at the right time.

Tom Brady was a 6th rounder...

I'm fine with drafting a QB at our pick... Especially outside of round 1.

I'm against mortgaging the future. HUGE difference.

Fran Tarkenton was drafted in the 3rd round and nobody but some dumb expansion team thought he could play in this league. Retired with EVERY record for QB's at the time. It been awhile but it has happened. Thing was...they took that risk. Twice actually. Once drafting him then again trading to get him back.
They come from all places you just have to try.

3rd rounder? Sign me up... As long as you can have a coach who can identify whether this guy deserves a chance to start without blindly throwing him into the mix. The coach I could see this guy in practice and say yes this guy can be a good starter.

I'm just against a round 1 QB you need to trade up for or blindly turn the team over to... Unless we at some point are a 3 win team with no talent picking in the top couple picks.... That's different... Then you have nothing to lose.

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Post by Jor-El on Dec 28, 2021 8:24:24 GMT -6

Dec 28, 2021 7:56:42 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

3rd rounder? Sign me up... As long as you can have a coach who can identify whether this guy deserves a chance to start without blindly throwing him into the mix. The coach I could see this guy in practice and say yes this guy can be a good starter.

Great point: one key is coaches who can develop a QB, but the other is a GM and scouting unit that can identify the right prospect.

I can't really predict the future of Kellen Mond, but since joining the Vikings his primary coaches are Klint Kubiak, who helped pick and "develop" Paxton Lynch in Denver, and Andrew Janocko, who helped pick and "develop" Mike Glennon in Tampa. How do you think that's going for Mond?

Anyway, Mond was selected by Rick Spielman, who brought us Joe Webb, Christian Ponder, the obese version of Donovan McNabb, Matt Cassel, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum, and Kirk Cousins (on two different I'll-give-you-anything contracts). See any HoFers there? Not by a long shot.

Our GM and coaching staff don't make me optimistic about Mond, and if they stay, I have zero confidence in the next QB they draft, regardless what pick (or picks) they use to get him.

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Ppl say we can’t pick a QB..But we haven’t really tried. Our last real shot was Teddy and even then he was 32nd overall (2014) wasnt looking the most promising but can’t take away that injury altered his career and development for sure. Ponder was the big bust but thankfully everyone that first round was, I believe Russ was the only good QB out of there and everyone passed on him. You go back before that was Tavaris Jackson big reach in the second round (2006). Basically my point is we should’ve been taking shots on ppl like Mond in the 3rd and 4tb rounds for a while now but instead went with the Stanley’s and Brownings 7th rounders or undrafted. We’ve always tried to sign that FA QB to take us over the top. Sometimes you have to make that trade in the draft for Mahomes , or Trey lance type. Obv it doesn’t always work (RG3) but building a team with the rookie QB deal is the best way to go in my opinion

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Nov 10, 2021 18:50:53 GMT -6 Purple Pain said:

Some Vikings fans are saying that we have the players, but not the coaches. Others are saying, the roster isn't as good as Vikings fans tell themselves.

Which is it?

What do you think the plan should be moving forward? Blow it all up? New GM, new coaching staff, and unload a bunch of veterans?

Retool? Keep Spielman (or not), get a new HC, make a few moves, but keep the team largely intact?

What do you THINK happens? And, more importantly, what would you like to see happen?

Ideal scenario: What does 2022 and beyond look like for you?

www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32948040/after-rare-losing-season-pete-carroll-says-seattle-seahawks-need-retool-not-restart-whole-thing

I thought this was a good place for this. Enjoy.......

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