What GM that still has a job is worse than Rick Spielman

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What GM that still has a job is worse than Rick Spielman Sept 24, 2021 5:41:00 GMT -6

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Post by purplecorny on Sept 24, 2021 5:41:00 GMT -6

Sept 23, 2021 20:36:28 GMT -6 TheOGPhatThor77 said:

Sept 23, 2021 18:18:56 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

...to answer your question firestick. Is it ok if I call you firestick? This has kinda gotten to be your stick. I don't know alot of GM's around the league but for Rick's job he seems to over pays for talent. Holds on to them too long and hasn't built the fundamentals of a winning team with plenty of time to have gotten it done. So I'm ok with moving on from him. I don't need to say it so often.

Other than Kirk's contract, which can be argued is a good value if we can find a way to avoid a $45M cap hit next season. Paying Kirk $33M/year compared to the $40M+ contracts that have been signed at QB recently. I would be curious who you consider would be the "over-paid" talent that Rick has paid for. Because I honestly don't see it.

Dalvin - Top 3 RB in the league and heartbeat of our offense.
O'Neill - Top 5 RT in the league and only anchor on our OL.
Harrison - one of the leagues top safety's for years and contract is designed to get out of after 2 years incase his play falls. And was underpaid for years compared to level of play.
Kendricks - arguably the best MLB in the league and arguably underpaid.
Hunter - arguably a top 3 DE in the league and on a HOF pace if he can stay healthy the remainder of his career
Theilen - arguably underpaid at WR, and one of the leagues top threats on 3rd down and the redzone.

Barr - I'll agree here because he hasn't played due to injury so I guess you could call it an overpay, but when he's on the field he is far more valuable than most fans give him credit for. Look at our defense since he's been hurt....27th or worse. When he's on the field we're 10th or better. There has to be a corilation there.

Rick is known as a GM who has paid his home grown players and I agree with that method. So I'm not sure where you get this "over-paying" for talent. He may be guilty of holding on too long to players (Rudy and AP specifically) but not too often does he get stuck in those situations.

As for "building the fundamentals of a winning team" I mean he built the 2017 team, a great 2015 team that over-performed, the 09 team. We've had our chances, we just haven't taken advantage of it. Has he built a Patriot's esque dynasty? Obviously not, but I don't know many GM's that have ever done that for an extended period of time. Plus we're a above .500 and generally playoff bound team almost every year, how is that not a "winning culture/team" unless the only way you define the "fundamentals of a winning team" as a team that has won a Super Bowl, then you can make the same argument for about 27 other active GM's....

To me when you say spielman/roster management(rick isnt the only one in vikings history by a long shot)brought in this and that guy? You miss the point. And the idea firing rick is because of some personality defect, or that rick is being tainted as this or that unjustly, is just wrong. In 50 years, and this is why Spielman isnt by himself, this roster is consistently without fail whipper snapper thin. This isnt about finding the occasional guy or the inability to find super star. IT IS has always been about putting together roster that can consistently win the north and be something other than a potential dark horse.
I can just justify zimmer and his length of stay here because the roster is awful pretty much every year.

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Post by pinfante79 on Sept 24, 2021 16:44:57 GMT -6

Sept 23, 2021 20:36:28 GMT -6 TheOGPhatThor77 said:

Sept 23, 2021 18:18:56 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

...to answer your question firestick. Is it ok if I call you firestick? This has kinda gotten to be your stick. I don't know alot of GM's around the league but for Rick's job he seems to over pays for talent. Holds on to them too long and hasn't built the fundamentals of a winning team with plenty of time to have gotten it done. So I'm ok with moving on from him. I don't need to say it so often.

Other than Kirk's contract, which can be argued is a good value if we can find a way to avoid a $45M cap hit next season. Paying Kirk $33M/year compared to the $40M+ contracts that have been signed at QB recently. I would be curious who you consider would be the "over-paid" talent that Rick has paid for. Because I honestly don't see it.

Dalvin - Top 3 RB in the league and heartbeat of our offense.
O'Neill - Top 5 RT in the league and only anchor on our OL.
Harrison - one of the leagues top safety's for years and contract is designed to get out of after 2 years incase his play falls. And was underpaid for years compared to level of play.
Kendricks - arguably the best MLB in the league and arguably underpaid.
Hunter - arguably a top 3 DE in the league and on a HOF pace if he can stay healthy the remainder of his career
Theilen - arguably underpaid at WR, and one of the leagues top threats on 3rd down and the redzone.

Barr - I'll agree here because he hasn't played due to injury so I guess you could call it an overpay, but when he's on the field he is far more valuable than most fans give him credit for. Look at our defense since he's been hurt....27th or worse. When he's on the field we're 10th or better. There has to be a corilation there.

Rick is known as a GM who has paid his home grown players and I agree with that method. So I'm not sure where you get this "over-paying" for talent. He may be guilty of holding on too long to players (Rudy and AP specifically) but not too often does he get stuck in those situations.

As for "building the fundamentals of a winning team" I mean he built the 2017 team, a great 2015 team that over-performed, the 09 team. We've had our chances, we just haven't taken advantage of it. Has he built a Patriot's esque dynasty? Obviously not, but I don't know many GM's that have ever done that for an extended period of time. Plus we're a above .500 and generally playoff bound team almost every year, how is that not a "winning culture/team" unless the only way you define the "fundamentals of a winning team" as a team that has won a Super Bowl, then you can make the same argument for about 27 other active GM's....

Sucks most of us are in for a rude awaking cause at some point Rick, Zim, and Cousins will be gone and the odds of improvement in all 3 areas is slim to none. And if we are saying none of those guys can ever win a Superbowl we are eternally doomed.🤷‍♂️

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Post by purplecorny on Sept 24, 2021 19:07:15 GMT -6

Sept 24, 2021 16:44:57 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

Sept 23, 2021 20:36:28 GMT -6 TheOGPhatThor77 said:

Other than Kirk's contract, which can be argued is a good value if we can find a way to avoid a $45M cap hit next season. Paying Kirk $33M/year compared to the $40M+ contracts that have been signed at QB recently. I would be curious who you consider would be the "over-paid" talent that Rick has paid for. Because I honestly don't see it.

Dalvin - Top 3 RB in the league and heartbeat of our offense.
O'Neill - Top 5 RT in the league and only anchor on our OL.
Harrison - one of the leagues top safety's for years and contract is designed to get out of after 2 years incase his play falls. And was underpaid for years compared to level of play.
Kendricks - arguably the best MLB in the league and arguably underpaid.
Hunter - arguably a top 3 DE in the league and on a HOF pace if he can stay healthy the remainder of his career
Theilen - arguably underpaid at WR, and one of the leagues top threats on 3rd down and the redzone.

Barr - I'll agree here because he hasn't played due to injury so I guess you could call it an overpay, but when he's on the field he is far more valuable than most fans give him credit for. Look at our defense since he's been hurt....27th or worse. When he's on the field we're 10th or better. There has to be a corilation there.

Rick is known as a GM who has paid his home grown players and I agree with that method. So I'm not sure where you get this "over-paying" for talent. He may be guilty of holding on too long to players (Rudy and AP specifically) but not too often does he get stuck in those situations.

As for "building the fundamentals of a winning team" I mean he built the 2017 team, a great 2015 team that over-performed, the 09 team. We've had our chances, we just haven't taken advantage of it. Has he built a Patriot's esque dynasty? Obviously not, but I don't know many GM's that have ever done that for an extended period of time. Plus we're a above .500 and generally playoff bound team almost every year, how is that not a "winning culture/team" unless the only way you define the "fundamentals of a winning team" as a team that has won a Super Bowl, then you can make the same argument for about 27 other active GM's....

Sucks most of us are in for a rude awaking cause at some point Rick, Zim, and Cousins will be gone and the odds of improvement in all 3 areas is slim to none. And if we are saying none of those guys can ever win a Superbowl we are eternally doomed.🤷‍♂️

Its not just them. Its 40 plus years of futility.
Its not been this wonderful ride of bliss before zimmer and spielman.
I am pretty ziggy could shoot darts from rear and get a better GM.

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Post by pinfante79 on Sept 24, 2021 19:32:16 GMT -6

Sept 24, 2021 19:07:15 GMT -6 purplecorny said:

Sept 24, 2021 16:44:57 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

Sucks most of us are in for a rude awaking cause at some point Rick, Zim, and Cousins will be gone and the odds of improvement in all 3 areas is slim to none. And if we are saying none of those guys can ever win a Superbowl we are eternally doomed.🤷‍♂️

Its not just them. Its 40 plus years of futility.
Its not been this wonderful ride of bliss before zimmer and spielman.
I am pretty ziggy could shoot darts from rear and get a better GM.

Cmon man. Rick is solid. He will get another job fast of he wants it.

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Post by TheOGPhatThor77 on Sept 24, 2021 21:03:19 GMT -6

Sept 24, 2021 5:41:00 GMT -6 purplecorny said:

Sept 23, 2021 20:36:28 GMT -6 TheOGPhatThor77 said:

Other than Kirk's contract, which can be argued is a good value if we can find a way to avoid a $45M cap hit next season. Paying Kirk $33M/year compared to the $40M+ contracts that have been signed at QB recently. I would be curious who you consider would be the "over-paid" talent that Rick has paid for. Because I honestly don't see it.

Dalvin - Top 3 RB in the league and heartbeat of our offense.
O'Neill - Top 5 RT in the league and only anchor on our OL.
Harrison - one of the leagues top safety's for years and contract is designed to get out of after 2 years incase his play falls. And was underpaid for years compared to level of play.
Kendricks - arguably the best MLB in the league and arguably underpaid.
Hunter - arguably a top 3 DE in the league and on a HOF pace if he can stay healthy the remainder of his career
Theilen - arguably underpaid at WR, and one of the leagues top threats on 3rd down and the redzone.

Barr - I'll agree here because he hasn't played due to injury so I guess you could call it an overpay, but when he's on the field he is far more valuable than most fans give him credit for. Look at our defense since he's been hurt....27th or worse. When he's on the field we're 10th or better. There has to be a corilation there.

Rick is known as a GM who has paid his home grown players and I agree with that method. So I'm not sure where you get this "over-paying" for talent. He may be guilty of holding on too long to players (Rudy and AP specifically) but not too often does he get stuck in those situations.

As for "building the fundamentals of a winning team" I mean he built the 2017 team, a great 2015 team that over-performed, the 09 team. We've had our chances, we just haven't taken advantage of it. Has he built a Patriot's esque dynasty? Obviously not, but I don't know many GM's that have ever done that for an extended period of time. Plus we're a above .500 and generally playoff bound team almost every year, how is that not a "winning culture/team" unless the only way you define the "fundamentals of a winning team" as a team that has won a Super Bowl, then you can make the same argument for about 27 other active GM's....

To me when you say spielman/roster management(rick isnt the only one in vikings history by a long shot)brought in this and that guy? You miss the point. And the idea firing rick is because of some personality defect, or that rick is being tainted as this or that unjustly, is just wrong. In 50 years, and this is why Spielman isnt by himself, this roster is consistently without fail whipper snapper thin. This isnt about finding the occasional guy or the inability to find super star. IT IS has always been about putting together roster that can consistently win the north and be something other than a potential dark horse.
I can just justify zimmer and his length of stay here because the roster is awful pretty much every year.

Very simply for me, please name a team that is deep at every position......I'll wait. It's called a cap league for a reason and not every team is deep at every position. Most teams are front loaded on talent and rare depth behind them, like the Vikings have been constructed.

Go back to the 2017 team, lights out right? 13-3, NFC Championship game....everything Vikings fans expect as possible. Was that team deep at every position? Were they lights out at every position? Absolutely not. You have unrealistic expectations for what a football team is capable of constructing unless they absolutely hit on a draft class and they mesh with the rostered high paid talent....much like 2017 with the 2015 draft class that had Diggs, Hunter and Kendricks and Waynes. You can't roster/pay a full roster in the NFL and then expect to have lights out depth behind them.

If you ask me the core of Cook, Thielen, Jefferson, Irv (when not injured), O'Neill, Kirk, Hunter, Tomlinson, Pierce, Kendricks, Barr, Peterson, Harry and Xavier is a very extensive list of solid if not great, if not HOF caliber names on this team. This team can be built around to win the North easily, and not just a "potential dark horse". Where this team is faultering is through defense and defense only right now, specifically the secondary minus Peterson and that I blame Zim for singularly. No way can you blame Spielman for our defense giving up 400+ yards to Kyler Murray.

If you honestly believe this roster is awful and is "pretty much awful every year" than you are SO FAR mistaken of the talent we currently have that I legitimately feel sorry for you and what you expect out of a team. Nobody is the Yankees in the NFL, you can't just buy out a roster....

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Sept 24, 2021 19:07:15 GMT -6 purplecorny said:

Sept 24, 2021 16:44:57 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

Sucks most of us are in for a rude awaking cause at some point Rick, Zim, and Cousins will be gone and the odds of improvement in all 3 areas is slim to none. And if we are saying none of those guys can ever win a Superbowl we are eternally doomed.🤷‍♂️

Its not just them. Its 40 plus years of futility.
Its not been this wonderful ride of bliss before zimmer and spielman.
I am pretty ziggy could shoot darts from rear and get a better GM.

1.) Sorry you've suffered for 40+ years, the entire Vikings community owes you a thank you card for your sacrifice.

2.) Wasn't a wonderful ride before Zim and Spielman....so you're saying it's vastly improved over the last 7-10ish years? Almost like Rick knows what he's been doing for the most part recently? So you're saying he does know what he's doing?

3.) If you believe NFL GM's grow on tree's, once again you don't understand front office concepts in the NFL or in general.

We're 0-2.....not 0-17.

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Post by purplecorny on Sept 24, 2021 21:27:35 GMT -6

Sept 24, 2021 21:03:19 GMT -6 TheOGPhatThor77 said:

Sept 24, 2021 5:41:00 GMT -6 purplecorny said:

To me when you say spielman/roster management(rick isnt the only one in vikings history by a long shot)brought in this and that guy? You miss the point. And the idea firing rick is because of some personality defect, or that rick is being tainted as this or that unjustly, is just wrong. In 50 years, and this is why Spielman isnt by himself, this roster is consistently without fail whipper snapper thin. This isnt about finding the occasional guy or the inability to find super star. IT IS has always been about putting together roster that can consistently win the north and be something other than a potential dark horse.
I can just justify zimmer and his length of stay here because the roster is awful pretty much every year.

Very simply for me, please name a team that is deep at every position......I'll wait. It's called a cap league for a reason and not every team is deep at every position. Most teams are front loaded on talent and rare depth behind them, like the Vikings have been constructed.

Go back to the 2017 team, lights out right? 13-3, NFC Championship game....everything Vikings fans expect as possible. Was that team deep at every position? Were they lights out at every position? Absolutely not. You have unrealistic expectations for what a football team is capable of constructing unless they absolutely hit on a draft class and they mesh with the rostered high paid talent....much like 2017 with the 2015 draft class that had Diggs, Hunter and Kendricks and Waynes. You can't roster/pay a full roster in the NFL and then expect to have lights out depth behind them.

If you ask me the core of Cook, Thielen, Jefferson, Irv (when not injured), O'Neill, Kirk, Hunter, Tomlinson, Pierce, Kendricks, Barr, Peterson, Harry and Xavier is a very extensive list of solid if not great, if not HOF caliber names on this team. This team can be built around to win the North easily, and not just a "potential dark horse". Where this team is faultering is through defense and defense only right now, specifically the secondary minus Peterson and that I blame Zim for singularly. No way can you blame Spielman for our defense giving up 400+ yards to Kyler Murray.

If you honestly believe this roster is awful and is "pretty much awful every year" than you are SO FAR mistaken of the talent we currently have that I legitimately feel sorry for you and what you expect out of a team. Nobody is the Yankees in the NFL, you can't just buy out a roster....

Very simply name any superbowl team you want. Depth doesnt just mean 3 deep at qb. Depth means people are slotted correctly on the roster. Pierce, kendricks and barr cant stop a cold much less a running game. You understand MURRAY was player of the week vs your all star secondary despite throwing two interceptions.
your hall of fame(oh this is coming probably with another extension) qb has missed the playoff all but one year. And that will be the case when his current contract is up.
See Graff. The defense is off to a great start, they just cant stop the run or the pass.
2009..Great season. 2010 mediocre to disaster.
2017…Got your ass beat by superbowl champion. Great stats. Mastermind on defense. Great talent…or so I am told…Next year… We suck again. Last time we were in the playoff, Brees was washed then, and you needed a hail mary….and turned into a pumpkin in the NFC Ship game. Next season….roster is suck. So deep. So talented. That you miss the playoff almost every year. And again to be fair, its not just spielman. 87,98, both followed up with suckitude. i cant tell you how many #1ranked defenses the vikings had in the 90’s to get trounced in the playoffs. Millard, doleman, studwell, browner, thomas in the 80’s…trounced in the playoffs pretty routinely.
We all always disagree on spielman and the vikings. But it wont get fixed until the talent aquisition operation is seriously upgraded….and if the steelers are the model for ziggy, that aint happening anytime.

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Sept 24, 2021 21:05:52 GMT -6 TheOGPhatThor77 said:

Sept 24, 2021 19:07:15 GMT -6 purplecorny said:

Its not just them. Its 40 plus years of futility.
Its not been this wonderful ride of bliss before zimmer and spielman.
I am pretty ziggy could shoot darts from rear and get a better GM.

1.) Sorry you've suffered for 40+ years, the entire Vikings community owes you a thank you card for your sacrifice.

2.) Wasn't a wonderful ride before Zim and Spielman....so you're saying it's vastly improved over the last 7-10ish years? Almost like Rick knows what he's been doing for the most part recently? So you're saying he does know what he's doing?

3.) If you believe NFL GM's grow on tree's, once again you don't understand front office concepts in the NFL or in general.

We're 0-2.....not 0-17.

Its the same product. Groundhog day. They are more than capable and should win 10 games….but that is where it ends…pretty much every year. Spielman and every gm before. GM’s dont live to die a tree’s death when they dont produce the golden fruit.

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What GM that still has a job is worse than Rick Spielman Sept 24, 2021 21:35:58 GMT -6

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Post by purplecorny on Sept 24, 2021 21:35:58 GMT -6

Sept 24, 2021 19:32:16 GMT -6 pinfante79 said:

Sept 24, 2021 19:07:15 GMT -6 purplecorny said:

Its not just them. Its 40 plus years of futility.
Its not been this wonderful ride of bliss before zimmer and spielman.
I am pretty ziggy could shoot darts from rear and get a better GM.

Cmon man. Rick is solid. He will get another job fast of he wants it.

He has destroyed 3, well 2.5 because he is just a continuation of the history here. I will guarantee you he will never win get a team to much less win a superbowl if he is making and has final say on personnel.

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I have a question for the board? If Rick is such a bad GM then how come we have young talent flashing on offense drafted, but none on defense?

Since 2015 I have yet to see a true keeper drafted on defense. Yet the offense is finding guys.. Hum *skeptic*

I see a clear reason for that. Is it certain guys getting what they want on defense and not identifying or developing talent? Just something to think about u heard

Not trying to totally bash nobody after a win just something for y'all to think about.

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Sept 29, 2021 14:54:17 GMT -6 Drank said:

I have a question for the board? If Rick is such a bad GM then how come we have young talent flashing on offense drafted, but none on defense?

Since 2015 I have yet to see a true keeper drafted on defense. Yet the offense is finding guys.. Hum *skeptic*

I see a clear reason for that. Is it certain guys getting what they want on defense and not identifying or developing talent? Just something to think about u heard

Not trying to totally bash nobody after a win just something for y'all to think about.

Are ya suggesting we fire our DC?

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Sept 29, 2021 14:54:17 GMT -6 Drank said:

I have a question for the board? If Rick is such a bad GM then how come we have young talent flashing on offense drafted, but none on defense?

Since 2015 I have yet to see a true keeper drafted on defense. Yet the offense is finding guys.. Hum *skeptic*

I see a clear reason for that. Is it certain guys getting what they want on defense and not identifying or developing talent? Just something to think about u heard

Not trying to totally bash nobody after a win just something for y'all to think about.

I hate to trigger some but assuming Oli is for real, KJ is a viable WR3, Conklin contributes, Cleveland continues to impress, on top of Cook, Jefferson, finding Thielen, and even Mattison. Rick did a really good job. Now tell me Darrisaw works out and Bradbury turns it around and... Ya know...👏👏👏

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Sept 29, 2021 14:54:17 GMT -6 Drank said:

I have a question for the board? If Rick is such a bad GM then how come we have young talent flashing on offense drafted, but none on defense?

Since 2015 I have yet to see a true keeper drafted on defense. Yet the offense is finding guys.. Hum *skeptic*

I see a clear reason for that. Is it certain guys getting what they want on defense and not identifying or developing talent? Just something to think about u heard

Not trying to totally bash nobody after a win just something for y'all to think about.

The Vikings' 2015 draft class was an utter anomaly - but there are promoters of the front office who try to proclaim it as the norm. That's part of the explanation for your "since 2015" question - the real question should be "why no true keepers EXCEPT in 2015" (at least with Zimmer here).

As for why they hit on guys like Hunter, Kendricks, and Waynes but have not since, hard to say without knowing the relationship between scouts and coaches. I think in the most effective organizations, there is a lot of collaboration where coaches help scout the players and make draft decisions. Is the synergy always good in every NFL staff? I imagine not always, and maybe they have some disconnects here. But I don't think we know, aside from judging the results. (Also, recent events sure make you wonder if Cam Dantzler should have been scouted by coaches to make sure he was "Zimmer's kind of guy"...)

Playing Devil's Advocate, Zimmer and Spielman can say, "We lost 2 defensive #1 picks to circumstances beyond our control!" Well, fair point. But back to your original point: we seem to have more juice from our mid-round picks on offense (Conklin, Udoh, Osborne) and only flops with the same kind of picks on defense (Jaleel Johnson, Ben Gedeon, Jalyn Holmes, etc.) The past couple drafts, there have been a LOT of picks in rds 3-5 on defense, so they better hit on some.

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Guys drafted on defense since 2016 draft who is even good or flashing. The top 2 been Wonnum and Dantzler..

Wonnum- the only one starting and he is starting to lose that spot to EV.
Cam- I admit would rather see start than Breeland but is not out there and all he did is try to bring the team morale down after we won a game. Nobody drafted from that time since 2016 until now has been nothing really.

Offense has been a different story though. We know the stars Dalvin, JJ, and O'Neill.
Irv got hurt unfortunately but I like his potential and he obviously has skills and still just 23.
On offense we have gotten some guys besides stars working on contributing though and flashing. Ezra, Oli, K.J., Mattison, and Conklin.

Why is that? How come we finding guys on offense and not defense do the math.

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Sept 29, 2021 15:42:42 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Sept 29, 2021 14:54:17 GMT -6 Drank said:

I have a question for the board? If Rick is such a bad GM then how come we have young talent flashing on offense drafted, but none on defense?

Since 2015 I have yet to see a true keeper drafted on defense. Yet the offense is finding guys.. Hum *skeptic*

I see a clear reason for that. Is it certain guys getting what they want on defense and not identifying or developing talent? Just something to think about u heard

Not trying to totally bash nobody after a win just something for y'all to think about.

Are ya suggesting we fire our DC?

LOL! I not saying nothing trying to keep the peace (roflmao)

I will leave that to y'all to decide. I will say this so far young Kubs doing solid. I admit I been wrong about him so far.

I sure don't want to lose him like we lost Stefanski if he keeps this up. When the offense is doing better. Just wonder why we building young talent on offense while the defense can't draft no talent and need just FA. But why that is Rick fault. He finding talent that the offense asking for. All while the defense aging and can't hardly draft no young studs. Plus still shaky I know what the common denominator to that is.