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So how long do you want/expect Aug 17, 2021 5:49:53 GMT -6

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Aug 14, 2021 21:42:06 GMT -6 legendsofthenorth said:

Aug 14, 2021 20:14:49 GMT -6 Uncle said:

Zimmer was non-committal on how long the starters would play in preseason Wk #2 - he stated "I haven't decided yet"....

At the very least, I think the starting OL should play the better part of the 1st half so they have NFL-game action reps. We have to remember that Hill is likely starting, Ezra is playing a new position and Oli is likely starting - the only constants on the OL are Bradbury and O'Neill. They're going to need reps to gel and I think it's worth the injury risk to get those starting 5 as much work in the preseason as they can get so it's not totally raw come Wk 1 at Cincinnati.

I don't think the starting skill position players need much work - just a series or two. Ditto for most of the DL and starting LB unit - the one exception being the DE spot opposite Hunter; Wonnum and Weatherly need the reps.

I'd give the secondary the 1st qtr to get some snaps.

....but the unit that does need the most reps is the OL, IMO, and they should play most of the 1st half, regardless of who's under C or who the skill position players are.

There about 10-15 players I don't play at all

Kirk
Cook
Theilen
JJ
Hunter
Pierce
Richardson
Tomlinson
Irv
Smith
Kendricks
Barr
PP

I would play Cousins a fair amount. He looked like dog sh*t the first 5 games last season w/o any PS snaps. We can't afford to lose a bunch of games out of the gate because Kirky boy hasn't had time to pull his head out yet.

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Aug 16, 2021 22:53:06 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Have you ever been punched full speed in the face before?

Only a face punch? *skeptic*

Need to try harder Reignman if you want to join the club and graduate to a full on throat punch. *thumb_up*

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Aug 16, 2021 22:53:06 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Are the Rams dead in the water? Packers? Seahawks? Bills? Browns? Colts? 49ers?

Rams lost by 7
Packers lost by 19
Seahawks lost by 13
Bills won by 1
Browns won by 10
Colts won by 3
49ers lost by 3

So no, I don't think three teams that won, two teams that lost by a TD or less and one team that lost by 13 and has been in the playoffs 9 of the past 11 seasons are dead in the water.

The team that lost by 27?

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Aug 17, 2021 6:01:19 GMT -6 @aussie61 said:

Aug 16, 2021 22:53:06 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Have you ever been punched full speed in the face before?

Only a face punch? *skeptic*

Need to try harder Reignman if you want to join the club and graduate to a full on throat punch. *thumb_up*

He's the president of the throat punch club!

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Aug 17, 2021 6:20:22 GMT -6 @aussie61 said:

Aug 16, 2021 22:53:06 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Are the Rams dead in the water? Packers? Seahawks? Bills? Browns? Colts? 49ers?

Rams lost by 7
Packers lost by 19
Seahawks lost by 13
Bills won by 1
Browns won by 10
Colts won by 3
49ers lost by 3

So no, I don't think three teams that won, two teams that lost by a TD or less and one team that lost by 13 and has been in the playoffs 9 of the past 11 seasons are dead in the water.

The team that lost by 27?

Zimmer was like 20-5 all time in the preseason before Saturday. How'd that translate?

To suggest he's not smart for sitting so many starters doesn't hold any water. It's just another Zimmer-related bias. He had his reasons, as did many other coaches. Are they all idiots, too?

Did those teams have better depth or were they lucky enough to play teams with even worse depth, therefore, not lose by so much because of a few fluky plays? Yay! Crown 'em! Their backups beat some backups! Super Bowl, homeboy!

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Aug 17, 2021 5:16:02 GMT -6 Uncle said:

What's interesting from the list of teams who held out a certain # of players, I thought the prevailing thought from Saturday was that there was a wide disparity in the # of players the Vikings held out vs the Broncos; some fans seemed to indicate that the Broncos trotted out their starters on both offense and defense and the Vikes started their backup team.

I guess as it turned out, the disparity was only 7 players as the Vikings held out 33 players while the Broncos held out 26.

The starting offense versus our backups (and insurance salesmen) for several series made it look worse than it was.

When it was backups versus backups, it wasn't as painful. Just take away the fluky 80-yard TD and pick 6, and are fans still having a meltdown? Probably not.

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Post by mikenessfan on Aug 17, 2021 8:11:21 GMT -6

It’s preseason. Yeah it matters if the team including backups play like sh!t but keep it all in perspective. No one will know anything close to definitive until week 1 is over. I do think the starters need to get some playing time in preseason but they shouldn’t play much. I’m more interested in seeing if any of the depth is any good or could hang in a starting position which right now doesn’t look so good. But most of the guys we are talking about are young and in experienced.

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The offensive skill positions I am not worried about playing a lot in this game. They are what they are and the benefits of a half of a preseason game versus the risk of getting injured just don't make it worth it. Oline I would like to see a lot of, especially the LT, LG, C and RG. Just questions at 4 out of 5 of the starting spots on the Oline...

Defensively, PP and Breeland are new starters in a complex coverage scheme as is the safety. The rest I would be okay with Zim barely playing, outside of RDE which should still be a competition.

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Aug 17, 2021 8:04:17 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Aug 17, 2021 5:16:02 GMT -6 Uncle said:

What's interesting from the list of teams who held out a certain # of players, I thought the prevailing thought from Saturday was that there was a wide disparity in the # of players the Vikings held out vs the Broncos; some fans seemed to indicate that the Broncos trotted out their starters on both offense and defense and the Vikes started their backup team.

I guess as it turned out, the disparity was only 7 players as the Vikings held out 33 players while the Broncos held out 26.

The starting offense versus our backups (and insurance salesmen) for several series made it look worse than it was.

When it was backups versus backups, it wasn't as painful. Just take away the fluky 80-yard TD and pick 6, and are fans still having a meltdown? Probably not.

Because the disparity was only 7 players (Vikings sat 33 and Broncos sat 26), and there's 11 people on the field on both sides of the ball, on average, the disparity in the 1st half was roughly 3-4 players at any given time.

Even if you take out 14 "fluky" pts (which weren't "fluky", BTW), it's still 19-6 and if you consider the disparity in players who sat between the two teams was only 3-4 player on-average, it still doesn't bode well for our depth.

Again though, I don't think anyone in the "panic" thread is suggesting its time to panic completely...but there is concern on our depth, especially our immediate backups as some of them will play a significant amount of snaps in 2021 at some point. It wasn't all the Dylan Mabin's of the world out there in the first half - the Vikes did play some key 2nd Team / immediate backup players which didn't look good, and if the Broncos played a similar # of backups (again, minus 3-4 players at any given time), that didn't look good, especially if you consider all the "glowing" TC reports on some of those backups we've all been reading about for 2 weeks.

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Post by comet52 on Aug 17, 2021 9:13:50 GMT -6

These games are utterly meaningless. The team you see for game 1 in September will be unrelated to anything you watch in August.

Whether it will be good or bad, I have no idea, but I've observed this phenomenon for many years, along with the phenomenon of long time fans somehow forgetting this obvious reality and going apeshit over what some team of scrubs does in mid-August.

I'm here for entertainment purposes only

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My take is this, this team is very top heavy and if you said that every starter was going to play every game and be healthy I would say we are likely an NFC championship team at least. Problem is that likely isnt going to happen but you hope the injuries are at a minimum and nothing serious for long durations of the season with multiple people. This team was built this offseason by revamping the areas we struggled the most last year which is the Dline and CB (yes even before Oline) So far our main kink is probably Darrisaw not being the LT he was drafted to start day 1 in my opinion that was the plan. So now we have Rashod Hill who I think will be serviceable but it gets very thin if he goes down or Oneil, and Darrisaw isnt ready by then. You look at WR, again after JJ or Thielen if one guys down we are likely in serious trouble with a huge talent drop off. LB again, if no barr or Kendricks your talking about a huge drop-off. So no im not concerned really at all with what happened Saturday as im not really surprised with all depth players trying to be starters, and the depth guys who played who may get significant action would likely be the worst players on the Vikings field during a regular season game that also changes everything. I always think of it this way, Wonnum or Weatherly may have looked like average Joes saturday when they were #1 guys on our Dline, but you add Pierce Tomlinson and Hunter to that line they go to the 4th best option. Everything changes and they likely look like Ifeadi did that year he had 7.5 sacks. The people around you make a huge difference if you are not a star player.

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Aug 17, 2021 8:53:02 GMT -6 Uncle said:

Because the disparity was only 7 players (Vikings sat 33 and Broncos sat 26), and there's 11 people on the field on both sides of the ball, on average, the disparity in the 1st half was roughly 3-4 players at any given time.

Even if you take out 14 "fluky" pts (which weren't "fluky", BTW), it's still 19-6 and if you consider the disparity in players who sat between the two teams was only 3-4 player on-average, it still doesn't bode well for our depth.

That's why context matters. Two QBs playing for a half, who have years of NFL experience, and are fighting for a starting gig, is going to look a lot different than anything we were ever going to put out there. Drew Lock averaged 21.6 yards per attempt. Is that your typical preseason action? No, absolutely not. Now imagine how the game might have looked different if Cousins was in for a half and averaged 20+ yards per attempt. Maybe a few of those go our way against some 2nd and 3rd stringers, and we get some points? Probably...

As far as my fluky comment, I just meant, two big plays. Is it normal for our defense to give up 80-yard scores? I won't ask if pick 6s are common, though. lol. My point remains: you take away those two big plays, and the game, and likely the score, look a lot different. I don't think there is as much panic about getting throttled. If we were completely manhandled from start to finish, like against the 49ers, then I'd be concerned. But that's not what I saw. I saw some sloppy play and some boring play typical of every NFL preseason game. Even the preseason games we win, let's be honest, outside of a few plays here or there, it's generally pretty painful to watch. Yes, this one was a little extra painful because we never found the end zone to break up the suck, but it's nothing to get super worked up about.

Aug 17, 2021 8:53:02 GMT -6 Uncle said:

Again though, I don't think anyone in the "panic" thread is suggesting its time to panic completely...but there is concern on our depth, especially our immediate backups as some of them will play a significant amount of snaps in 2021 at some point. It wasn't all the Dylan Mabin's of the world out there in the first half - the Vikes did play some key 2nd Team / immediate backup players which didn't look good, and if the Broncos played a similar # of backups (again, minus 3-4 players at any given time), that didn't look good, especially if you consider all the "glowing" TC reports on some of those backups we've all been reading about for 2 weeks.

Agreed. And, as I said, the most disappointing part was the mental errors by some of the guys who should know better. It's one thing if the 9th CB messes up, but yes, when some of our key backups are looking lost, it's concerning. But as I also said, unless it's 2020 all over again, we won't have all backups out there. You'll have those good, veteran starters who can mask some of that. Heck, look at all of the stink that Kendricks helped cover up last year. When he went out, it was REALLY over. So, yes, the game was awful. It really did suck. Not too many positives to take from it, BUT, maybe that's what the team needed. Sounds like the very next practice was high intensity - much different than anything prior. With both coaches and players being embarrassed by the outing, maybe some good will come of it. Let's just all be happy this was game 1 of the preseason and not the regular season!