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May 10, 2021 17:43:08 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

May 10, 2021 17:24:23 GMT -6 Drank said:

We can do a vote on here and across the league. I guarantee Mahomes would be said to be the better QB and it is not close. If you stat crushing I will Super Bowl crunch, who went further? Mahomes already tied with him in Super Bowls with his old ass. He is not better dawg (roflmao)

Rodgers is 38 and Mahomes is 24 lol. What do you think that would even prove?

Once again, who was better last season?

I dont think SBs really are the measure of an individual player, unless you think Dilfer and Brad Johnson > Marino lmao.

Believe what you want to undercover Packer lover LOL! Yeah one is 24 the other 38 with the same amount of rings and superbowl appearances. You do the math. That is what QBs are graded on wins and loses. Brady is the GOAT why because he wins. Cousins is criticized why because he doesn't.

That is how it is fair or not I don't make the rules I just grade on the rules. Right now as we stand most would say Mahomes is better here as we stand today. But to each is his own, you can think Rodgers is better I don't see it. I will say if Rodgers switches team he will get to the Bowl. Hint seems like that happens a lot when top QBs switch teams it's called revenue and storylines.

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A. Rodgers...Predictions? May 10, 2021 18:01:50 GMT -6

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May 10, 2021 17:52:19 GMT -6 Drank said:

May 10, 2021 17:43:08 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Rodgers is 38 and Mahomes is 24 lol. What do you think that would even prove?

Once again, who was better last season?

I dont think SBs really are the measure of an individual player, unless you think Dilfer and Brad Johnson > Marino lmao.

Believe what you want to undercover Packer lover LOL! Yeah one is 24 the other 38 with the same amount of rings and superbowl appearances. You do the math. That is what QBs are graded on wins and loses. Brady is the GOAT why because he wins. Cousins is criticized why because he doesn't.

That is how it is fair or not I don't make the rules I just grade on the rules. Right now as we stand most would say Mahomes is better here as we stand today. But to each is his own, you can think Rodgers is better I don't see it. I will say if Rodgers switches team he will get to the Bowl. Hint seems like that happens a lot when top QBs switch teams it's called revenue and storylines.

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A. Rodgers...Predictions? May 10, 2021 18:01:53 GMT -6

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May 10, 2021 17:52:19 GMT -6 Drank said:

May 10, 2021 17:43:08 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Rodgers is 38 and Mahomes is 24 lol. What do you think that would even prove?

Once again, who was better last season?

I dont think SBs really are the measure of an individual player, unless you think Dilfer and Brad Johnson > Marino lmao.

Believe what you want to undercover Packer lover LOL! Yeah one is 24 the other 38 with the same amount of rings and superbowl appearances. You do the math. That is what QBs are graded on wins and loses. Brady is the GOAT why because he wins. Cousins is criticized why because he doesn't.

That is how it is fair or not I don't make the rules I just grade on the rules. Right now as we stand most would say Mahomes is better here as we stand today. But to each is his own, you can think Rodgers is better I don't see it. I will say if Rodgers switches team he will get to the Bowl. Hint seems like that happens a lot when top QBs switch teams it's called revenue and storylines.

I wouldn't list Brady as the GOAT. Maybe second or third.

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May 10, 2021 18:01:53 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

May 10, 2021 17:52:19 GMT -6 Drank said:

Believe what you want to undercover Packer lover LOL! Yeah one is 24 the other 38 with the same amount of rings and superbowl appearances. You do the math. That is what QBs are graded on wins and loses. Brady is the GOAT why because he wins. Cousins is criticized why because he doesn't.

That is how it is fair or not I don't make the rules I just grade on the rules. Right now as we stand most would say Mahomes is better here as we stand today. But to each is his own, you can think Rodgers is better I don't see it. I will say if Rodgers switches team he will get to the Bowl. Hint seems like that happens a lot when top QBs switch teams it's called revenue and storylines.

I wouldn't list Brady as the GOAT. Maybe second or third.

I hate Brady. He is the GOAT. Others may have something on him. He has something in him that makes everyone around him a champion. This year is just proof of that.

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May 10, 2021 18:05:02 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

May 10, 2021 18:01:53 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

I wouldn't list Brady as the GOAT. Maybe second or third.

I hate Brady. He is the GOAT. Others may have something on him. He has something in him that makes everyone around him a champion. This year is just proof of that.

To me the purest QBs were Manning and Marino. If Peyton was on the Patriots wow. I hate Brady but its hard not to give him the GOAT status him and Montana gotta be at the top IMO.

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May 10, 2021 18:05:02 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

May 10, 2021 18:01:53 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

I wouldn't list Brady as the GOAT. Maybe second or third.

I hate Brady. He is the GOAT. Others may have something on him. He has something in him that makes everyone around him a champion. This year is just proof of that.

No it's not. It's just a myth. But let's give it to Brady. 6 championships in 20 years. Otto Graham. 7 championships in 10 years. Bart Starr, 5 championships in 7 years. Yeah, go with Brady. The problem is, too many people today never saw players like Starr play so they anoint who they know as GOAT. I'm not even sure I would have Brady in the top three. Maybe 3rd. And oh yeah, BTW, they all had good defenses in winning those championships. Rodgers on the Packers just goes to show you that no matter how good a QB is, they can't win it all without a good defense. Maybe once. But not twice.

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A. Rodgers...Predictions? May 10, 2021 18:21:11 GMT -6

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May 10, 2021 18:05:02 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

I hate Brady. He is the GOAT. Others may have something on him. He has something in him that makes everyone around him a champion. This year is just proof of that.

To me the purest QBs were Manning and Marino. If Peyton was on the Patriots wow. I hate Brady but its hard not to give him the GOAT status him and Montana gotta be at the top IMO.

I like Montana best. Peyton was an absolute field general who should have had a couple more rings. Marino was ahead of his time. What he could have done with todays rules. Brady just elevates everyone around him like no other. Yet I still hate him.

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May 10, 2021 18:18:01 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

May 10, 2021 18:05:02 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

I hate Brady. He is the GOAT. Others may have something on him. He has something in him that makes everyone around him a champion. This year is just proof of that.

No it's not. It's just a myth. But let's give it to Brady. 6 championships in 20 years. Otto Graham. 7 championships in 10 years. Bart Starr, 5 championships in 7 years. Yeah, go with Brady. The problem is, too many people today never saw players like Starr play so they anoint who they know as GOAT. I'm not even sure I would have Brady in the top three. Maybe 3rd. And oh yeah, BTW, they all had good defenses in winning those championships. Rodgers on the Packers just goes to show you that no matter how good a QB is, they can't win it all without a good defense. Maybe once. But not twice.

Teams back then were built to last. Year in year out no player movement. You could plan for what you had and draft when you knew need for replacement was coming .
I hear what you are saying. I don't disagree. How many can move to a new team and win the 1st year? Great teams then were as much about coaches as players.

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May 10, 2021 18:31:43 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

May 10, 2021 18:18:01 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

No it's not. It's just a myth. But let's give it to Brady. 6 championships in 20 years. Otto Graham. 7 championships in 10 years. Bart Starr, 5 championships in 7 years. Yeah, go with Brady. The problem is, too many people today never saw players like Starr play so they anoint who they know as GOAT. I'm not even sure I would have Brady in the top three. Maybe 3rd. And oh yeah, BTW, they all had good defenses in winning those championships. Rodgers on the Packers just goes to show you that no matter how good a QB is, they can't win it all without a good defense. Maybe once. But not twice.

Teams back then were built to last. Year in year out no player movement. You could plan for what you had and draft when you knew need for replacement was coming .
I hear what you are saying. I don't disagree. How many can move to a new team and win the 1st year? Great teams then were as much about coaches as players.

How many move from one team to a new team and have that defense go from 29th in the league in points to 8th the same year? Even Manning had to wait until Denver got back to 4th on DPPG to win the Super Bowl. They should have won it his first year.

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May 10, 2021 18:31:43 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

May 10, 2021 18:18:01 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

No it's not. It's just a myth. But let's give it to Brady. 6 championships in 20 years. Otto Graham. 7 championships in 10 years. Bart Starr, 5 championships in 7 years. Yeah, go with Brady. The problem is, too many people today never saw players like Starr play so they anoint who they know as GOAT. I'm not even sure I would have Brady in the top three. Maybe 3rd. And oh yeah, BTW, they all had good defenses in winning those championships. Rodgers on the Packers just goes to show you that no matter how good a QB is, they can't win it all without a good defense. Maybe once. But not twice.

Teams back then were built to last. Year in year out no player movement. You could plan for what you had and draft when you knew need for replacement was coming .
I hear what you are saying. I don't disagree. How many can move to a new team and win the 1st year? Great teams then were as much about coaches as players.

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May 10, 2021 18:18:01 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

May 10, 2021 18:05:02 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

I hate Brady. He is the GOAT. Others may have something on him. He has something in him that makes everyone around him a champion. This year is just proof of that.

No it's not. It's just a myth. But let's give it to Brady. 6 championships in 20 years. Otto Graham. 7 championships in 10 years. Bart Starr, 5 championships in 7 years. Yeah, go with Brady. The problem is, too many people today never saw players like Starr play so they anoint who they know as GOAT. I'm not even sure I would have Brady in the top three. Maybe 3rd. And oh yeah, BTW, they all had good defenses in winning those championships. Rodgers on the Packers just goes to show you that no matter how good a QB is, they can't win it all without a good defense. Maybe once. But not twice.

OK, so let me get this straight...

1) You didn't want Favre, who was the main reason why we were a Super Bowl caliber team for the first time since 1998? And you're faulting him for Ponder ending up here, and not all the other terrible QBs they had around the Favre era?

2) Rodgers, despite playing out of his mind and winning MVP in 2020, isn't a good QB anymore?

3) Brady isn't the GOAT despite playing his butt off in nearly every playoff series the past 20 seasons, even after he left Belichick and immediately won a title elsewhere? And don't give me the "points allowed" argument, we already went over this many times and you were adamant the Patriots would be better this year than the Bucs this year.

Do you have any more bad QB opinions to share?

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May 10, 2021 16:40:26 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

May 10, 2021 16:37:05 GMT -6 vikingbill said:

Mike Holmgren really laid into the Packers management for letting this reach it's boiling point.

If I'm Murphy (pres) I'd fire the GM for incompetence.

You got to be a complete idiot to alienate your HOF franchise QB. Rodgers probably has 5 more years of high level play in him.

Rodgers throwing a tantrum about playing in GB one more season for GB before being traded doesn't seem to be 'incompetence'.

It's hard to judge anyone for any of this before we see Love play. Imagine if GB extends Rodgers, trades Love, and watches him become the next Mahomes. I think the upside is still with the young prospect and I think GB knows this.

I think your missing the big picture here. Packers GM blindsighted Rodgers by trading up in rd one for a QB. Film footage of HC LeFlour pumping his fist in celebration. If I were Rodgers I would have felt insulted as well. Just this past draft Brady, Garrapolo, and Cousins were all given a phone call by their teams mgmnt to give them a heads up on them drafting QB's. This is how it's handled.

Rodgers knows he's being pushed out the door. So he simply wants to part ways right now which is completely understandable. Packers GM F'ed this up something terrible. He should be fired simply on the basis of how bad of a draft he conducted a year ago. Add in disrespecting your franchise QB spells incompetence.

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May 10, 2021 18:18:01 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

May 10, 2021 18:05:02 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

I hate Brady. He is the GOAT. Others may have something on him. He has something in him that makes everyone around him a champion. This year is just proof of that.

No it's not. It's just a myth. But let's give it to Brady. 6 championships in 20 years. Otto Graham. 7 championships in 10 years. Bart Starr, 5 championships in 7 years. Yeah, go with Brady. The problem is, too many people today never saw players like Starr play so they anoint who they know as GOAT. I'm not even sure I would have Brady in the top three. Maybe 3rd. And oh yeah, BTW, they all had good defenses in winning those championships. Rodgers on the Packers just goes to show you that no matter how good a QB is, they can't win it all without a good defense. Maybe once. But not twice.

Otto Graham had the greatest coach of all time and played in a 12-team league. It's a lot harder to win titles when there are nearly 3x as many teams fighting for the same thing, and just getting to a title game means winning 2-3 playoff games first. In Graham's era the two division winners met for the title game, no playoffs unless there was a tie in the division.

Starr had the 2nd greatest coach of all time and his era was similar - a couple more teams and and an extra playoff game starting in 1965, but nothing like today. And I held out for Montana as GOAT for a long time but even Montana himself has conceded it - Brady is the GOAT. I'd put Graham up there along with Montana right behind Brady. Starr is not even in the conversation.

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