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Mar 22, 2021 17:54:38 GMT -6 ozzvic said:

Not gonna debate you on this because Kirk was supposed to be the steady missing piece and he hasn't been. But I will say I don't blame Rick and the front office for getting Cousins and understand why they first signed him but I don't like the 2 year extension.

Nice post OZ, I feel the exact same way. The first time I understand the signing of Kirk. The extension and the way it was constructed is the part I don't like either.

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Mar 22, 2021 18:18:33 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Mar 22, 2021 17:09:36 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

See you're now moving the goal post to yet another post you made to someone else that has absolutely no relevance but I'll bite.

Got it, so you didn't actually read the post that you responded too and instead made some dumb analogy about Ponder that makes zero sense in the context of what I wrote.

My original post was that Teddy getting hurt made it so we didn't have a shot at drafting a QB in 2017...

No I responded before you made that post. You can't even follow your own posts let alone mine. I simply stated none of that would have mattered for any of the ifs because Ponder would have made it all irrelevant. They would have had a QB in place from 2011 to 2021. There would have been NO need for Teddy the debacle that followed or any high draft picks in any year after 2011. Like I said forest and trees.

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Mar 22, 2021 18:25:54 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Mar 22, 2021 18:18:33 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Got it, so you didn't actually read the post that you responded too and instead made some dumb analogy about Ponder that makes zero sense in the context of what I wrote.

My original post was that Teddy getting hurt made it so we didn't have a shot at drafting a QB in 2017...

No I responded before you made that post. You can't even follow your own posts let alone mine. I simply stated none of that would have mattered for any of the ifs because Ponder would have made it all irrelevant. They would have had a QB in place from 2011 to 2021. There would have been NO need for Teddy the debacle that followed or any high draft picks in any year after 2011. Like I said forest and trees.

My very first post in this thread was me saying that Teddy's injury made it so we didn't have a chance at drafting a QB in 2017, to which you responded that you think Ponder could have been our franchise QB.

What is wrong with you?

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Mar 22, 2021 18:20:46 GMT -6 @justmy2cents said:

Mar 22, 2021 15:58:28 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

My pet peeve. "We" as in the Vikings not you or I. I try to always say "they".

Get over it LOL! It's We to us they a part of some of us unlike the everyday site hater.

They aren't we. I even worked in the building well the old one and it's still not we. I've got a buddy that goes off on people that say that. I thought he was going to end up in prision when the Red Sox won the WS.

Read above you even said "they". We is to refer to oneself.

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Mar 22, 2021 18:30:47 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Mar 22, 2021 18:25:54 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

No I responded before you made that post. You can't even follow your own posts let alone mine. I simply stated none of that would have mattered for any of the ifs because Ponder would have made it all irrelevant. They would have had a QB in place from 2011 to 2021. There would have been NO need for Teddy the debacle that followed or any high draft picks in any year after 2011. Like I said forest and trees.

My very first post in this thread was me saying that Teddy's injury made it so we didn't have a chance at drafting a QB in 2017, to which you responded that you think Ponder could have been our franchise QB.

What is wrong with you?

And my first said Ponder excluded any of that. Need some coffee?

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Mar 22, 2021 18:35:10 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Mar 22, 2021 18:20:46 GMT -6 @justmy2cents said:

Get over it LOL! It's We to us they a part of some of us unlike the everyday site hater.

They aren't we. I even worked in the building well the old one and it's still not we. I've got a buddy that goes off on people that say that. I thought he was going to end up in prision when the Red Sox won the WS.

Read above you even said "they". We is to refer to oneself.

We We We sue me. (roflmao)

We need a lineman, We need a ring on and on ...I said my peace and then I jetted carry on with your previous discussion. LOL ✌🏾

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Mar 22, 2021 18:43:13 GMT -6 @justmy2cents said:

Mar 22, 2021 18:35:10 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

They aren't we. I even worked in the building well the old one and it's still not we. I've got a buddy that goes off on people that say that. I thought he was going to end up in prision when the Red Sox won the WS.

Read above you even said "they". We is to refer to oneself.

We We We sue me. (roflmao)

We need a lineman, We need a ring on and on ...I said my peace and then I jetted carry on with your previous discussion. LOL

They They They. You sound like a Frenchman wee wee. No room for drive by here.😏

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Mar 22, 2021 18:50:41 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Mar 22, 2021 18:43:13 GMT -6 @justmy2cents said:

We We We sue me. (roflmao)

We need a lineman, We need a ring on and on ...I said my peace and then I jetted carry on with your previous discussion. LOL

They They They. You sound like a Frenchman wee wee. No room for drive by here.😏

LOL

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Mar 22, 2021 18:56:21 GMT -6 comet52 said:

I thought one 115 page thread about Teddy was enough for the board but we are going for the gold here aren't we.

Stop being negative you party pooper.

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Mar 22, 2021 18:59:39 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Mar 22, 2021 18:56:21 GMT -6 comet52 said:

I thought one 115 page thread about Teddy was enough for the board but we are going for the gold here aren't we.

Stop being negative you party pooper.

I'm more of a poopy partier...

I'm here for entertainment purposes only

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Mar 22, 2021 14:19:03 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Mar 22, 2021 14:01:48 GMT -6 Nordic said:

I believe what changed this team was Zimmers blind loyalty towards a QB that is just not starter material. Teddy is always going to be Teddy, he'll get decent yardage in the air, a few TD's and about the same amount of picks. It's not hating on the man while stating facts.

I just don't see the blind loyalty. Teddy got two years, was going to get 3 before the injury, and then was gone.

He really only got one full season as the starter and still managed to get us to the playoffs. The year prior he got the start after Matt Cassel got injured. They could’ve started Christian Ponder instead but we all know how that would’ve gone. 2016 would’ve been his second year entering the season as the starter. It was supposed to be his “prove it,” year. And it’s hard to blame anybody for 2014 when our best player at the time got suspended for the season. O-Line was still trash and we didn’t have any elite WRs. I think Thielen was still on special teams duties. Greg Jennings was washed up. I don’t even remember who was our #2? Charles Johnson? Where is he now? Lol

But blind loyalty, I also disagree with that statement. Teddy only had one full season as a Viking. His career as a Viking ended before it started. We never got a chance to see if he could still develop. Now if we want to talk about blind loyalty, the Kirk Cousin’s extension is a good example of that. Lol

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And I think there's one more thing many people are forgetting, and another reason I blame the front office. When the Vikings sign Kirk Cousins, they were under the impression that they were in win now mode after coming off a season where they made it to the NFC Conference Championship. They knew the risk. The window was already closing, they knew it was going to be tough keeping that defense intact afterwards. But we were under the impression that the QB position was the last piece. And boy were we wrong. Still holes in the o-line, which was evident before cousins came to town. We still need a 3rd WR. I could go on. There was still holes that needed to be filled but the Vikings thought Cousins could bandaid whatever weaknesses we still had and get us to a championship. Yes Teddy's injury was a setback for 2016 but not today. The Vikings took a big gamble and failed, plain and simple. It's not Kirk's fault, he gave them a price and they thought it was worth it even if that meant imploded the rest of the roster in the future.

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Mar 23, 2021 5:46:18 GMT -6 James said:

And I think there's one more thing many people are forgetting, and another reason I blame the front office. When the Vikings sign Kirk Cousins, they were under the impression that they were in win now mode after coming off a season where they made it to the NFC Conference Championship. They knew the risk. The window was already closing, they knew it was going to be tough keeping that defense intact afterwards. But we were under the impression that the QB position was the last piece. And boy were we wrong. Still holes in the o-line, which was evident before cousins came to town. We still need a 3rd WR. I could go on. There was still holes that needed to be filled but the Vikings thought Cousins could bandaid whatever weaknesses we still had and get us to a championship. Yes Teddy's injury was a setback for 2016 but not today. The Vikings took a big gamble and failed, plain and simple. It's not Kirk's fault, he gave them a price and they thought it was worth it even if that meant imploded the rest of the roster in the future.

The main part the Vikings messed up on was thinking that bringing in a "better" QB over Case was going to take us over the top. Yes guys Kirk is a better QB than Case. In theory, it couldve worked if all things remained the same but that is never the case there is always variables and luck etc that come into factor us well. Besides the Oline not playing as well Kirks first year, Kirk and Case are also two totally different QBs which Case also masked the terrible Oline with his off-schedule type plays which isnt Kirks game. You bring in Kirk but never fully go all in on him and then double down on him again after the 49ers game which is even more mind blowing because it showed how far away we are to a super bowl team on both lines off the ball. And again this offseason every asset should be going into making the Oline a top 5 unit but no we again are going to gamble big time on the Oline heading into the season.

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Mar 22, 2021 7:41:14 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

The Teddy injury could have been the most significant injury in franchise history...or it could have meant very little.

The 2017 draft had two elite level QBs in it that fell out of the top 9 and the 10th pick was available via trade. Teddy staying healthy and struggling would have forced the Vikings to look at drafting a QB in that draft, and that team was unlikely to be in position to draft Trubisky no matter how poorly Teddy played.

However, we KNOW the Vikings were okay with just mediocre QB play based on their willingness to stick with Bradford after 2016 so Teddy would have had to really play poorly for the Vikings to move on from him.

So while the injury not happening COULD have been franchise changing, it would have required Teddy to completely suck in 2016 to do it.

One thing that likely doesn't happen either way is the Eagles don't win the SB, which is huge for me since Eagles fans are terrible human beings.

It is an interesting thought exercise. The problem with the 2016 team was the catastrophic play at the tackle position. Clemmings and Sirles had the most snaps that year. Followed by Kalil before injury, Andre Smith, and Jake Long’s corpse. Tom Brady would have failed. I think they would have probably given Teddy a pass (like they did Sam) and tried to fix the position in the draft. It would have meant signing only one of Reiff/Remmers and then maybe going with Garrett Bolles at pick 14.