All Things Teddy-Freaking-Bridgewater

Jan 9, 2020 21:46:44 GMT -6 Reignman said:

As others have pointed out, Teddy has benefited from being on 2 teams with a lot of talent who helped carry his plodding stats to just enough wins. Most of those wins being close or low scoring games.

Just enough wins? He's gone 22-12 as a starter. In his only full year starting with us he went 11-5. Tons of talent? In 2015?!? Huh?

Players who were on the 2015 Minnesota Vikings:
DE Everson Griffen 10.5 sacks
DEs Brian Robison and Danielle Hunter splitting time
DT Linval Joseph
LB Anthony Barr
LB Eric Kendricks
CB Xavier Rhodes
CB Terrence Newman
S Harrison Smith

RB Adrian Peterson 1485 yards/11 TDs
WR Stefon Diggs 52 catches/720 yards
TE Kyle Rudolph 49 catches/5 TDs
WR Mike Wallace. And I'm going to cut off the argument I already hear..."Mike Wallace sucks". Yes, Mike Wallace sucked so bad he had a 10 TD season before playing here and had a 1000 yard season AFTER leaving here. 10 TDS with Tannehill, 1000 yards with Flacco...473 yards with Bridgewater.

That's not enough talent to win in your opinion? Well, I would beg to differ, because that team DID WIN, despite a nearly historically low passing output. I believe Teddy Bridgewater became like the 13th passer in NFL history to start all 16 games and not throw at least 16 tds. A season with six games that resulted in no passing tds and just two (2!) with more than one. A season that included eight games of sub-200 yards passing. Don't tell me it was Bridgewater who was the deciding factor in many of those 11 wins, and I recall two losses that ended with Teddy Bridgewater strip sack fumbles...
That is an example of a team relying on its QB to do as little as possible, maage the game as it were, and hope the defense can hold the opponent to 17 points, because as I already mentioned, it was literally a 50/50 proposition as to whether a Bridgewater offense would even make it to 20.

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Just enough wins? He's gone 22-12 as a starter. In his only full year starting with us he went 11-5. Tons of talent? In 2015?!? Huh?

Players who were on the 2015 Minnesota Vikings:
DE Everson Griffen 10.5 sacks
DEs Brian Robison and Danielle Hunter splitting time
DT Linval Joseph
LB Anthony Barr
LB Eric Kendricks
CB Xavier Rhodes
CB Terrence Newman
S Harrison Smith

RB Adrian Peterson 1485 yards/11 TDs
WR Stefon Diggs 52 catches/720 yards
TE Kyle Rudolph 49 catches/5 TDs
WR Mike Wallace. And I'm going to cut off the argument I already hear..."Mike Wallace sucks". Yes, Mike Wallace sucked so bad he had a 10 TD season before playing here and had a 1000 yard season AFTER leaving here. 10 TDS with Tannehill, 1000 yards with Flacco...473 yards with Bridgewater.

That's not enough talent to win in your opinion? Well, I would beg to differ, because that team DID WIN, despite a nearly historically low passing output. I believe Teddy Bridgewater became like the 13th passer in NFL history to start all 16 games and not throw at least 16 tds. A season with six games that resulted in no passing tds and just two (2!) with more than one. A season that included eight games of sub-200 yards passing. Don't tell me it was Bridgewater who was the deciding factor in many of those 11 wins, and I recall two losses that ended with Teddy Bridgewater strip sack fumbles...
That is an example of a team relying on its QB to do as little as possible, maage the game as it were, and hope the defense can hold the opponent to 17 points, because as I already mentioned, it was literally a 50/50 proposition as to whether a Bridgewater offense would even make it to 20.

Wallace did suck with the Vikings. He was outplayed by a rookie receiver and the #3 WR Jarious Wright. Why were other receivers having pretty good years for how rarely the QB threw the ball, while Wallace was arguably the worst #1 receiver in the NFL? Diggs was the second leading rookie receiver, while Wallace put up #4 WR numbers? It was almost like a guy who took millions less to not play in MN, didn't want to play in MN and possibly didn't work as hard as a WR needs too to be successful in the NFL.

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Jan 10, 2020 13:10:56 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Players who were on the 2015 Minnesota Vikings:
DE Everson Griffen 10.5 sacks
DEs Brian Robison and Danielle Hunter splitting time
DT Linval Joseph
LB Anthony Barr
LB Eric Kendricks
CB Xavier Rhodes
CB Terrence Newman
S Harrison Smith

RB Adrian Peterson 1485 yards/11 TDs
WR Stefon Diggs 52 catches/720 yards
TE Kyle Rudolph 49 catches/5 TDs
WR Mike Wallace. And I'm going to cut off the argument I already hear..."Mike Wallace sucks". Yes, Mike Wallace sucked so bad he had a 10 TD season before playing here and had a 1000 yard season AFTER leaving here. 10 TDS with Tannehill, 1000 yards with Flacco...473 yards with Bridgewater.

That's not enough talent to win in your opinion? Well, I would beg to differ, because that team DID WIN, despite a nearly historically low passing output. I believe Teddy Bridgewater became like the 13th passer in NFL history to start all 16 games and not throw at least 16 tds. A season with six games that resulted in no passing tds and just two (2!) with more than one. A season that included eight games of sub-200 yards passing. Don't tell me it was Bridgewater who was the deciding factor in many of those 11 wins, and I recall two losses that ended with Teddy Bridgewater strip sack fumbles...
That is an example of a team relying on its QB to do as little as possible, maage the game as it were, and hope the defense can hold the opponent to 17 points, because as I already mentioned, it was literally a 50/50 proposition as to whether a Bridgewater offense would even make it to 20.

Wallace did suck with the Vikings. He was outplayed by a rookie receiver and the #3 WR Jarious Wright. Why were other receivers having pretty good years for how rarely the QB threw the ball, while Wallace was arguably the worst #1 receiver in the NFL? Diggs was the second leading rookie receiver, while Wallace put up #4 WR numbers? It was almost like a guy who took millions less to not play in MN, didn't want to play in MN and possibly didn't work as hard as a WR needs too to be successful in the NFL.

There is not a single person who was connected with the Vikings who ever intimated Mike Wallace was anything other than a model teammate while he was here. From the ESPN Article on his release:
Still, Wallace drew praise from general manager Rick Spielman and coach Mike Zimmer for his leadership, contributing to the development of rookie Stefon Diggs as the senior member of the Vikings' receiver group.

So, what's your next excuse?

See, most of actually know the reason Mike Wallace's numbers nose-dived in Minnesota. It's because Teddy Bridgewater was 10 times more likely to hit the Gatorade table out of bounds than he was to hit an open receiver more than 20 yards downfield. We remember example after example of Teddy air-mailing receivers, not just Wallace.

In fact, I earlier posted the similarity between Cousins' 2019 and Bridgewater's 2015 numbers. It goes deeper than attempts, Cousins completed 15 more passes but threw for nearly 400 more yards-Cousins can hit the home run ball far more often than Teddy. Teddy was deadly accurate in the short-to-intermediate game, but he had no chance on deep passes.

And don't bring up the pass to Johnson in the 2016 preseason as some evidence he was on the verge of a breakthrough. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes and in 200 pass attempts since, he still doesn't have the deep ball in his repertoire.

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Jan 10, 2020 8:39:50 GMT -6 Oracle Bone Diviner said:

Jan 10, 2020 8:16:18 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

That is debatable.

Plus, if we go off the most recent, relevant numbers, Teddy is better than our current QB on a lesser team...as long as you don't pick and choose which starts you don't want to include in his numbers.

Its always been my belief that its much easier to give an impressive showing coming off the bench as a backup, without the responsibility of being the long term starter. Teddy did it in 2019. Case Keenum and Nick Foles did it in 2017. Only time will tell if Teddy will be anything but the very good backup that I've always given him credit for being. Turning down starting jobs like he did this season is not going to help us find out, but it does suggest he is not sure himself.

You're right and you're wrong about that one. I'm also a big believer in the idea that being a backup isn't always an accurate indicator of what kind of starter you'll be, because you're essentially playing with nothing to lose. No one expects diddly from you, so you tend to take a lot more risks and sling the ball willy nilly because if u whiff, u go back to everyone ignoring you, and if u make it, then you are heralded as a hero. That mindset works for a handful of games but not in the long-run. And once you the pressure of actually carrying a franchise is put on you, most of those backups tend to fizzle. Kyle Allen is the perfect example of that this season. Started out hot and exciting, and as soon as the reality of him possibly replacing Cam Newton permanently started to make the rounds, his true abilities started to shine through (not that good), or the pressure of that situation took over and he fizzled from that. I believe in that scenario, when a QB feels they have nothing to lose, they cut loose and go for it, and can create some impressive work, but it doesn't last.

However, as much as I agree, I don't think that scenario applies to Teddy in 2019. Teddy wasn't playing like he had nothing to lose, he was playing to demonstrate that he could be a reliable starter and leader for a franchise once again. This wasn't his first shot. He was the guy in MN for 2 years as a 1st round pick, and the injury pulled him out. he had to prove if he is STILL a starter or wasn't the same guy anymore and merely a hobbled limpy backup. That is a remarkable level of pressure, that you cannot throw caution to the wind and start slinging it left and right and being reckless. Because for Teddy, someone with that kind of knee injury, to fail in his 5 game run would likely end his NFL career, or maybe 2 more years of holding a clipboard for random teams before phasing out. And of course my words won't be proven until Free Agency. But this is why teams will target Teddy and not Gardner Minshew/Kyle Allen types. and why Arians and others view him from the microscope of whether or not he is a "starter". he's not a backup trying to be a starter. he's a starter who lost his spot from injury. big difference

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Just enough wins? He's gone 22-12 as a starter. In his only full year starting with us he went 11-5. Tons of talent? In 2015?!? Huh?

Players who were on the 2015 Minnesota Vikings:
DE Everson Griffen 10.5 sacks
DEs Brian Robison and Danielle Hunter splitting time
DT Linval Joseph
LB Anthony Barr
LB Eric Kendricks
CB Xavier Rhodes
CB Terrence Newman
S Harrison Smith

RB Adrian Peterson 1485 yards/11 TDs
WR Stefon Diggs 52 catches/720 yards
TE Kyle Rudolph 49 catches/5 TDs
WR Mike Wallace. And I'm going to cut off the argument I already hear..."Mike Wallace sucks". Yes, Mike Wallace sucked so bad he had a 10 TD season before playing here and had a 1000 yard season AFTER leaving here. 10 TDS with Tannehill, 1000 yards with Flacco...473 yards with Bridgewater.

That's not enough talent to win in your opinion? Well, I would beg to differ, because that team DID WIN, despite a nearly historically low passing output. I believe Teddy Bridgewater became like the 13th passer in NFL history to start all 16 games and not throw at least 16 tds. A season with six games that resulted in no passing tds and just two (2!) with more than one. A season that included eight games of sub-200 yards passing. Don't tell me it was Bridgewater who was the deciding factor in many of those 11 wins, and I recall two losses that ended with Teddy Bridgewater strip sack fumbles...
That is an example of a team relying on its QB to do as little as possible, maage the game as it were, and hope the defense can hold the opponent to 17 points, because as I already mentioned, it was literally a 50/50 proposition as to whether a Bridgewater offense would even make it to 20.

Lol... Washed up Robison and Hunter playing 1/10 the snaps, Joseph post gun shot wound, Xavier Rhodes playing like he pretty much has this year... Not the same defense. 13th overall defense.

But still the offense? You serious Clark? We had AP and that's it. Diggs didn't play until the end of the year. Mike Wallace was not good, I don't care what he did the year before or after. When he was here he was dropping ball like crazy and just looked completely disinterested.

Were we a bad team? No. Decent team and a 2nd year QB won 11 games with that roster. Dismiss it all you want.

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All Things Teddy-Freaking-Bridgewater Jan 10, 2020 16:07:33 GMT -6

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There is not a single person who was connected with the Vikings who ever intimated Mike Wallace was anything other than a model teammate while he was here. From the ESPN Article on his release:
Still, Wallace drew praise from general manager Rick Spielman and coach Mike Zimmer for his leadership, contributing to the development of rookie Stefon Diggs as the senior member of the Vikings' receiver group.

Then they cut him. (roflmao)

See, most of actually know the reason Mike Wallace's numbers nose-dived in Minnesota. It's because Teddy Bridgewater was 10 times more likely to hit the Gatorade table out of bounds than he was to hit an open receiver more than 20 yards downfield. We remember example after example of Teddy air-mailing receivers, not just Wallace.

This and the previous post implies success in Baltimore was based on his ability to catch the deep ball. He caught 4 passes that season that traveled over 20 yards in the air, and the vast majority of his completions and yards were on throws thrown under ten yards. There is the narrative, then there is what actually occurred. The deep ball wasn't the problem, it was the WR. The only receiver who struggled playing with Teddy.

In fact, I earlier posted the similarity between Cousins' 2019 and Bridgewater's 2015 numbers. It goes deeper than attempts, Cousins completed 15 more passes but threw for nearly 400 more yards-Cousins can hit the home run ball far more often than Teddy. Teddy was deadly accurate in the short-to-intermediate game, but he had no chance on deep passes.

Yes, sadly, you did compare the two. Better receivers, better line, better system, 8 years of experience versus 2. This is an offense that had Case Keenum looking like a star. Still, Cousins has yet to win a single shoot out with a team other than Detroit, something you claimed was essential for a QB to be dubbed a franchise guy.

And don't bring up the pass to Johnson in the 2016 preseason as some evidence he was on the verge of a breakthrough. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes and in 200 pass attempts since, he still doesn't have the deep ball in his repertoire.

Well there you go. 200 pass attempts over 20 yards seems like a lot though. You sure about that number?

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Jan 10, 2020 15:14:09 GMT -6 specialk28 said:

Players who were on the 2015 Minnesota Vikings:
DE Everson Griffen 10.5 sacks
DEs Brian Robison and Danielle Hunter splitting time
DT Linval Joseph
LB Anthony Barr
LB Eric Kendricks
CB Xavier Rhodes
CB Terrence Newman
S Harrison Smith

RB Adrian Peterson 1485 yards/11 TDs
WR Stefon Diggs 52 catches/720 yards
TE Kyle Rudolph 49 catches/5 TDs
WR Mike Wallace. And I'm going to cut off the argument I already hear..."Mike Wallace sucks". Yes, Mike Wallace sucked so bad he had a 10 TD season before playing here and had a 1000 yard season AFTER leaving here. 10 TDS with Tannehill, 1000 yards with Flacco...473 yards with Bridgewater.

That's not enough talent to win in your opinion? Well, I would beg to differ, because that team DID WIN, despite a nearly historically low passing output. I believe Teddy Bridgewater became like the 13th passer in NFL history to start all 16 games and not throw at least 16 tds. A season with six games that resulted in no passing tds and just two (2!) with more than one. A season that included eight games of sub-200 yards passing. Don't tell me it was Bridgewater who was the deciding factor in many of those 11 wins, and I recall two losses that ended with Teddy Bridgewater strip sack fumbles...
That is an example of a team relying on its QB to do as little as possible, maage the game as it were, and hope the defense can hold the opponent to 17 points, because as I already mentioned, it was literally a 50/50 proposition as to whether a Bridgewater offense would even make it to 20.

Lol... Washed up Robison and Hunter playing 1/10 the snaps, Joseph post gun shot wound, Xavier Rhodes playing like he pretty much has this year... Not the same defense. 13th overall defense.

But still the offense? You serious Clark? We had AP and that's it. Diggs didn't play until the end of the year. Mike Wallace was not good, I don't care what he did the year before or after. When he was here he was dropping ball like crazy and just looked completely disinterested.

Were we a bad team? No. Decent team and a 2nd year QB won 11 games with that roster. Dismiss it all you want.

Diggs played in 13 games...every game after the bye. I suppose you are a little right, I mean he was playing at the end of the year.

Joseph was shot in 2014, not 2015. But, again, your grasp of just the bare facts is commendable. It was in fact, post-gun shot Linval.

Hunter played 37% of the snaps, not 10%.

Rhodes was good in 2015, he was great in 16 and 17 before falling off last year.

And, it's funny you point to the defense's #13 ranking in YARDS ALLOWED, and ignore the #5 ranking in POINTS ALLOWED...when did the NFL start awarding wins to teams for gaining yards?

And, I don't recall Wallace dropping many balls in 2015, I can't find any stats on it. But, based on your other data-I suppose if I were to watch the games over I would see Mike Wallace unable to hold onto the bouncing ball after a Teddy pass landed 10 yards ahead of him.

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Post by heman on Jan 10, 2020 16:58:37 GMT -6

Just enough wins? He's gone 22-12 as a starter. In his only full year starting with us he went 11-5. Tons of talent? In 2015?!? Huh?

Don't tell me it was Bridgewater who was the deciding factor in many of those 11 wins, and I recall two losses that ended with Teddy Bridgewater strip sack fumbles...

Yes you're right and one of those was against Denver as Teddy was preparing to win the game for us. But alas strip-sack-fumbles tend to happen when the moment the ball is snapped, Von Miller and 4 other Broncos are on top of you like teen girls on BTS. There were multiple games where the offensive line literally lost games for us and that was one that stuck out. line was awful that year

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Jan 10, 2020 14:29:27 GMT -6 heman said:

Jan 10, 2020 8:39:50 GMT -6 Oracle Bone Diviner said:

Its always been my belief that its much easier to give an impressive showing coming off the bench as a backup, without the responsibility of being the long term starter. Teddy did it in 2019. Case Keenum and Nick Foles did it in 2017. Only time will tell if Teddy will be anything but the very good backup that I've always given him credit for being. Turning down starting jobs like he did this season is not going to help us find out, but it does suggest he is not sure himself.

You're right and you're wrong about that one. I'm also a big believer in the idea that being a backup isn't always an accurate indicator of what kind of starter you'll be, because you're essentially playing with nothing to lose. No one expects diddly from you, so you tend to take a lot more risks and sling the ball willy nilly because if u whiff, u go back to everyone ignoring you, and if u make it, then you are heralded as a hero. That mindset works for a handful of games but not in the long-run. And once you the pressure of actually carrying a franchise is put on you, most of those backups tend to fizzle. Kyle Allen is the perfect example of that this season. Started out hot and exciting, and as soon as the reality of him possibly replacing Cam Newton permanently started to make the rounds, his true abilities started to shine through (not that good), or the pressure of that situation took over and he fizzled from that. I believe in that scenario, when a QB feels they have nothing to lose, they cut loose and go for it, and can create some impressive work, but it doesn't last.

However, as much as I agree, I don't think that scenario applies to Teddy in 2019. Teddy wasn't playing like he had nothing to lose, he was playing to demonstrate that he could be a reliable starter and leader for a franchise once again. This wasn't his first shot. He was the guy in MN for 2 years as a 1st round pick, and the injury pulled him out. he had to prove if he is STILL a starter or wasn't the same guy anymore and merely a hobbled limpy backup. That is a remarkable level of pressure, that you cannot throw caution to the wind and start slinging it left and right and being reckless. Because for Teddy, someone with that kind of knee injury, to fail in his 5 game run would likely end his NFL career, or maybe 2 more years of holding a clipboard for random teams before phasing out. And of course my words won't be proven until Free Agency. But this is why teams will target Teddy and not Gardner Minshew/Kyle Allen types. and why Arians and others view him from the microscope of whether or not he is a "starter". he's not a backup trying to be a starter. he's a starter who lost his spot from injury. big difference

He was a starter, but, unless his fans were right about realizing the potential he still has not realized, he was heading toward backupville or starting on a crap team. I don't doubt he will get a starting job again, but I question how long he'll keep it. There are a lot of desperate teams out but he already turned down one. I think he thinks a contender will want him to start, and I think he's wrong. They might have, if he had put in a full season instead of choosing to remain a backup. With only 5 full games under his belt, his knee durability is still not a settled question.

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Jan 9, 2020 21:46:44 GMT -6 Reignman said:

Because the people who like him, post insignificant feelings based things, like how he's the nicest kid in the universe. Meaningless things when it comes to football and winning, while his detractors are busy posting facts and evidence that try to convince the perpetually delusional that the team they want to see win a Super Bowl someday, won't with a mediocre QB like Special Ted. It's a contradiction we try in vain to help you square, but you don't seem to want to hear it. Do you want to fill the trophy case or do you want to root on lovable characters? You can't have both, so pick one.

You are arguing with a tactic that is both repugnant and dishonest with this one. I have seen you go after people for claiming you think Sloter is an elite starter, creating a strawman argument they can easily disprove. That is exactly what you just did here.

Ummm not quite. There's all the evidence in the world that suggests Sloter earned a shot with the 2's and as I've shown over and over again, even his detractors agree with that objective fact when you press them. Not sure why I have to press them, but it is what it is.

Meanwhile there's no evidence that suggests Special Ted can carry a team as a starter, and this was his 6th year in the league. Everyone wants to keep pretending like he's some young talent with untapped potential. As I pointed out in my previous post, which you agreed with, quite a few of his peers have had no problem leading teams as a starter by year 2. Just exactly how low is the bar for Special Ted? This is the QB you think is going to lead a team to a Super Bowl, when some of those better peers have struggled to do so with their teams? Am I the only one around here who understands how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl? Do Vikings fans believe the best strategy is to luck into one? I'm starting to think so.

The Vikings didn't go into 2016 with everything riding on Teddy based on his smile, the Saints didn't give up a draft pick and make him the highest paid backup in the NFL because he was like-able.

They didn't do it because he's talented either, they did it because he's a safe bet. As I mentioned earlier, he's not going to lose games for you (unless he gets stripped sacked by Denver and Arizona on the final drive of the game), but he's not going to win you games either. You roll with a guy like Teddy when you believe the rest of your team is talented enough to keep you in games and you just need a game manager to ride out the storm. Zimmer is an ultra conservative coach who wants an offense/QB that isn't going to make mistakes. That's basically his only criteria and he wonders why he can't win big games.

There is talent there whether you want to admit it or not.

I'm not admitting or denying anything, I'm looking for evidence, and there's no evidence that suggests Teddy has any kind of talent that's going to help a team win a Super Bowl, unless it's a talented team that puts him on their back, a la Trent Dilfer. Not exactly the best recipe for filling the trophy case.

High end backup talent or starter talent is yet to be decided, but multiple teams have seen potential in him. He is not the talentless slub you make him out to be.

This is a contradiction, or we have very different definitions of the word "talent". For example, high end backup "talent" isn't saying a whole lot. Sloter is a very talented 3rd string QB. See how that works? Context matters. But once again, he's in year 6 and even his supporters are unclear if he's starter material.

The Bottom line is, I don't hate Teddy and I don't have some vendetta against him. I'm here to see the Vikings win a Super Bowl and it's of my opinion (based on evidence) that he didn't give us the best chance to achieve that goal. I definitely thought we could find an upgrade, just as I thought we could find an upgrade over Keenum, who took us to an NFCCG. My standards are kinda high like that. When you want to fill the trophy case, you don't settle for mediocrity, you constantly look for upgrades. The QB position just happens to be the most important position in all of team sports, so I want the best one available, not one that's just going to be along for the ride.

I mean think about it. If you have a team that's good enough to contend for a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB like Teddy, just imagine how much more dominate your team would be with a better QB. I don't want the Vikings competing for the 6th seed every year and needing them to pull off the impossible on the road in the playoffs. I want them competing for first round byes on an annual basis, and to do that, you need a much better QB. Or do point out the team in the league that consistently goes 12-4 every year with a mediocre QB? I'll wait.

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Post by Reignman on Jan 10, 2020 19:48:39 GMT -6

Russell Wilson is a great QB who's won a super bowl, yes? Let's take a quick peek at both performances in Teddy's playoff game:

Teddy Bridgewater = 17/24 for 146 yards and 0 tds/ 0 ints
Russell Wilson = 13/26 for 142 yards and 1 tds/ 1 ints

As you pointed out, Wilson is a Super Bowl winning QB so he has nothing to prove. A Super Bowl he actually contributed to and wasn't just along for the ride. For one of these guys, the stat line is an except, and for the other it's the norm. In the previous week against Green Bay, with the division up for grabs, Special Ted threw for 99 yards. As I said, for one of these guys it's the norm, and he's typically along for the ride.

But the fact remains Teddy still set up a chip-shot field goal to win a playoff game with some clutch play late

As VikingsBoss pointed out just a bit ago, he completed one pass, a short pass (8 air yards) where Rudy broke a tackle for the first time in his career and rumbled down the sideline for an additional 30 yards or whatever it was. That's what the Special Ted apologists consider clutch now lol? I'll ask again, just how low is the bar for him?

The fact remains, he never led the Vikings on a game winning last minute drive, but he has 2 game losing drives by fumbling the ball away in opponent territory when we only needed a FG to tie. Where's the clutch? I think he left it back at Louisville.

and arguably outplayed Russell Wilson

Well yeah, he arguably outplayed Wilson because as you said, our defense was better than their defense ;P. Also, would Teddy have scooped up a ball and completed a 40 yard pass after a ball was snapped over his head, or would he have chosen the nice safe route and dove on it for a 20 yard loss? That was a pretty clutch play by Wilson. Best case scenario, Teddy picks it up and throws it away, or throws a left handed INT. *whistle*

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Jan 9, 2020 21:46:44 GMT -6 Reignman said:

Jan 8, 2020 14:04:02 GMT -6 specialk28 said:

Yeah who wants those plodding stats plus all of those stupid wins he gets all the time.

As others have pointed out, Teddy has benefited from being on 2 teams with a lot of talent who helped carry his plodding stats to just enough wins. Most of those wins being close or low scoring games.

Just enough wins? He's gone 22-12 as a starter. In his only full year starting with us he went 11-5. Tons of talent? In 2015?!? Huh?

As if you couldn't plug just about any QB into the same games and come out with a 22-12 record lol. Mark Sanchez has led the Jets to 2 AFCCG appearances. Sometimes QB's get credit for being along for the ride, and sometimes they don't. I want you to lookup those 22 wins and tell us exactly how much Special Ted contributed to them. What did he do that was so special that most QB's in the league wouldn't have won 22 or more games too being on 2 talented teams like the 2015 Vikings and 2019 Saints.

Serious question, have Teddy apologists actually watched him play? I'm beginning to think that not many people actually watch football, or understand it. They certainly don't understand what it takes to win championships if they want Mediocre Ted to be their starting QB. I think you guys are just content with our annual 6th seed competition. Nothing more exciting than wondering if you'll make the playoffs or not. Who care if you're one-and-done when you've made it to the big dance, which is almost like winning a Super Bowl .... when you pretty much have no expectations.

Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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Jan 10, 2020 19:48:39 GMT -6 Reignman said:

Russell Wilson is a great QB who's won a super bowl, yes? Let's take a quick peek at both performances in Teddy's playoff game:

Teddy Bridgewater = 17/24 for 146 yards and 0 tds/ 0 ints
Russell Wilson = 13/26 for 142 yards and 1 tds/ 1 ints

As you pointed out, Wilson is a Super Bowl winning QB so he has nothing to prove. A Super Bowl he actually contributed to and wasn't just along for the ride. For one of these guys, the stat line is an except, and for the other it's the norm. In the previous week against Green Bay, with the division up for grabs, Special Ted threw for 99 yards. As I said, for one of these guys it's the norm, and he's typically along for the ride.

But the fact remains Teddy still set up a chip-shot field goal to win a playoff game with some clutch play late

As VikingsBoss pointed out just a bit ago, he completed one pass, a short pass (8 air yards) where Rudy broke a tackle for the first time in his career and rumbled down the sideline for an additional 30 yards or whatever it was. That's what the Special Ted apologists consider clutch now lol? I'll ask again, just how low is the bar for him?

The fact remains, he never led the Vikings on a game winning last minute drive, but he has 2 game losing drives by fumbling the ball away in opponent territory when we only needed a FG to tie. Where's the clutch? I think he left it back at Louisville.