Post by Burgundy&GoldViking on Jul 5, 2020 20:44:14 GMT -6
This is supposedly the origins of the word:
where did the word "redskin" come from? Many dictionaries and history books say the term came about in reference to the Beothuk tribe of what is now Newfoundland, Canada. The Beothuk were said to paint their bodies with red ochre, leading white settlers to refer to them as "red men."
According to Smithsonian historian Ives Goddard, early historical records indicate that "Redskin" was used as a self-identifier by Native Americans to differentiate between the two races. Goddard found that the first use of the word "redskin" came in 1769, in negotiations between the Piankashaws and Col. John Wilkins. Throughout the 1800s, the word was frequently used by Native Americans as they negotiated with the French and later the Americans. The phrase gained widespread usage among whites when James Fenimore Cooper used it in his 1823 novel The Pioneers. In the book, Cooper has a dying Indian character lament, "There will soon be no red-skin in the country."
This is supposedly the reason why the team uses the name:
Boston Braves owner George Preston Marshall decided in 1933 to change the franchise's name from the Braves (another name with a racial history) to the Redskins. Team lore says the franchise adopted the name in honor of former coach William "Lone Star" Dietz, who identified as Native American. Dietz brought several Native American players he had coached at the Haskell Indian School with him to the team. Marshall also sought to strongly tie the team to Native American imagery, occasionally requiring Dietz to wear a Sioux headdress on the sidelines and telling players to wear war paint while on the field.
The name Redskin has over the centuries taken on a more negative definition then what is was originally used for.
I am caught right in the middle because I love my team and am proud of their NFL history and traditions and for that reason I would not see it changed but on the other side I understand that the word has taken on a derogatory meaning and know it needs to be changed.
I got a feeling Dan Snyder will be given this last chance to change it on his own or the NFL will step in and get him for Conduct Detrimental to the league by an owner and be forced to sell the team..
Like i said earlier either change the name and keep the logo and colors Washington Warriors or change the logo to match the name like a Potato or a Peanut
But once Washington changes its name it just opens the door for anyone offended by anything to get whatever they want and there will be no stopping it anymore.
Im 1/2 Filipino and 1/2 Lumbee and my skin is dark tan maybe I should get offended by the name Cleveland Browns
or maybe i should be offended if some of my ancestors were killed by pirates, buccaneers, Raider or Vikings. Oh wait I can be an animal lover and feel that using their image to promote a team is offensive to me, or maybe I feel that the Saints name has to much religious overtone, i say these silly examples in jest but mark my words someone somewhere is already thinking of these things and is offended by them
where did the word "redskin" come from? Many dictionaries and history books say the term came about in reference to the Beothuk tribe of what is now Newfoundland, Canada. The Beothuk were said to paint their bodies with red ochre, leading white settlers to refer to them as "red men."
According to Smithsonian historian Ives Goddard, early historical records indicate that "Redskin" was used as a self-identifier by Native Americans to differentiate between the two races. Goddard found that the first use of the word "redskin" came in 1769, in negotiations between the Piankashaws and Col. John Wilkins. Throughout the 1800s, the word was frequently used by Native Americans as they negotiated with the French and later the Americans. The phrase gained widespread usage among whites when James Fenimore Cooper used it in his 1823 novel The Pioneers. In the book, Cooper has a dying Indian character lament, "There will soon be no red-skin in the country."
This is supposedly the reason why the team uses the name:
Boston Braves owner George Preston Marshall decided in 1933 to change the franchise's name from the Braves (another name with a racial history) to the Redskins. Team lore says the franchise adopted the name in honor of former coach William "Lone Star" Dietz, who identified as Native American. Dietz brought several Native American players he had coached at the Haskell Indian School with him to the team. Marshall also sought to strongly tie the team to Native American imagery, occasionally requiring Dietz to wear a Sioux headdress on the sidelines and telling players to wear war paint while on the field.
The name Redskin has over the centuries taken on a more negative definition then what is was originally used for.
I am caught right in the middle because I love my team and am proud of their NFL history and traditions and for that reason I would not see it changed but on the other side I understand that the word has taken on a derogatory meaning and know it needs to be changed.
I got a feeling Dan Snyder will be given this last chance to change it on his own or the NFL will step in and get him for Conduct Detrimental to the league by an owner and be forced to sell the team..
Like i said earlier either change the name and keep the logo and colors Washington Warriors or change the logo to match the name like a Potato or a Peanut
But once Washington changes its name it just opens the door for anyone offended by anything to get whatever they want and there will be no stopping it anymore.
Im 1/2 Filipino and 1/2 Lumbee and my skin is dark tan maybe I should get offended by the name Cleveland Browns
or maybe i should be offended if some of my ancestors were killed by pirates, buccaneers, Raider or Vikings. Oh wait I can be an animal lover and feel that using their image to promote a team is offensive to me, or maybe I feel that the Saints name has to much religious overtone, i say these silly examples in jest but mark my words someone somewhere is already thinking of these things and is offended by them
the Washington Red@ss.
the Washington Red@ss.
... and neither is this Chris guy.