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Time For A Re-Draft Apr 26, 2020 8:12:19 GMT -6 Funkytown likes this

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The picks are in and we now know exactly where NFL teams value each player that was available to be drafted. Time to put your money where your mouth is.

Knowing that, we now have the opportunity to prove we are smarter than Rick when it comes to drafting. We will have the benefit of hindsight and knowing exactly where players went , but that is only fair considering this is his job and he is paid millions to do it, while we do this in our spare time.

Here are the rules:
#1 You can make trades, but it has to be for a pick or within 2 spots of a pick that was actually traded and it has to be for similar value. Here is a decent source for what the picks actually went for:

www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2020-live-trade-details-day-3/lv54elmbd8xm1lnkoal477pom

#2 The baseline for the Vikings draft will be the picks they had going into Day 1. Any trade downs you will have to do yourself.

#3 Try to include who you think will contribute day 1.

That is it. I will start with my re-draft:

#22 Justin Jefferson WR
#25 Jordan Love/Isiah Wilson T - I am on the fence about this one, because I like Love, but I also like Rodgers and Packer fans being upset. The Packers taking Love instead of a skill position also helps us in 2020 and probably 2021.
#58 Fulton CB
#74 (Trade #89 and 2021 3rd round pick) Jordan Elliot DT
#105 Tyre Phillips G
#132 Wonnum DE
#196 (Trade everything I have left, I don't care about 6th and 7th rounders) Peoples-Jones WR

There you go. Still need safety depth, but I don't think we got anything in the draft that we couldn't find in UDFAs. I probably made a mistake or two in there so feel free to rip away.

Bolded are either day 1 starters or guys who will play a significant role in their first season.

Edited: I am going all in on the Love pick, even though the Packers probably end up getting a player that helps them this season. We need a QBOTF more than we need a tackle of the future, and I don't actually like Wilson all that much as a LT.

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Apr 26, 2020 8:12:19 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

The picks are in and we now know exactly where NFL teams value each player that was available to be drafted. Time to put your money where your mouth is.

Knowing that, we now have the opportunity to prove we are smarter than Rick when it comes to drafting. We will have the benefit of hindsight and knowing exactly where players went , but that is only fair considering this is his job and he is paid millions to do it, while we do this in our spare time.

Here are the rules:
#1 You can make trades, but it has to be for a pick or within 2 spots of a pick that was actually traded and it has to be for similar value. Here is a decent source for what the picks actually went for:

www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2020-live-trade-details-day-3/lv54elmbd8xm1lnkoal477pom

#2 The baseline for the Vikings draft will be the picks they had going into Day 1. Any trade downs you will have to do yourself.

#3 Try to include who you think will contribute day 1.

That is it. I will start with my re-draft:

#22 Justin Jefferson WR
#25 Jordan Love/Isiah Wilson T - I am on the fence about this one, because I like Love, but I also like Rodgers and Packer fans being upset. The Packers taking Love instead of a skill position also helps us in 2020 and probably 2021.
#58 Fulton CB
#74 (Trade #89 and 2021 3rd round pick) Jordan Elliot DT
#105 Tyre Phillips G
#132 Wonnum DE
#196 (Trade everything I have left, I don't care about 6th and 7th rounders) Peoples-Jones WR

There you go. Still need a 3 Tech and safety depth, but I don't think we got anything in the draft that we couldn't find in UDFAs. I probably made a mistake or two in there so feel free to rip away.

Bolded are either day 1 starters or guys who will play a significant role in their first season.

Well these can be somewhat fun to do they can never be accurate because 1 move will or would change the entire or most of what happens after. That's why when people want names or what you would have done years later or days later you can never fully respond. There is no way to know what 1 pick changed before your pick would have done. Guys that where gone may not have been but then it would be unreasonable if you picked said player. Do a draft simulator and you can see what I mean.

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Apr 26, 2020 8:40:50 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Apr 26, 2020 8:12:19 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

The picks are in and we now know exactly where NFL teams value each player that was available to be drafted. Time to put your money where your mouth is.

Knowing that, we now have the opportunity to prove we are smarter than Rick when it comes to drafting. We will have the benefit of hindsight and knowing exactly where players went , but that is only fair considering this is his job and he is paid millions to do it, while we do this in our spare time.

Here are the rules:
#1 You can make trades, but it has to be for a pick or within 2 spots of a pick that was actually traded and it has to be for similar value. Here is a decent source for what the picks actually went for:

www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2020-live-trade-details-day-3/lv54elmbd8xm1lnkoal477pom

#2 The baseline for the Vikings draft will be the picks they had going into Day 1. Any trade downs you will have to do yourself.

#3 Try to include who you think will contribute day 1.

That is it. I will start with my re-draft:

#22 Justin Jefferson WR
#25 Jordan Love/Isiah Wilson T - I am on the fence about this one, because I like Love, but I also like Rodgers and Packer fans being upset. The Packers taking Love instead of a skill position also helps us in 2020 and probably 2021.
#58 Fulton CB
#74 (Trade #89 and 2021 3rd round pick) Jordan Elliot DT
#105 Tyre Phillips G
#132 Wonnum DE
#196 (Trade everything I have left, I don't care about 6th and 7th rounders) Peoples-Jones WR

There you go. Still need a 3 Tech and safety depth, but I don't think we got anything in the draft that we couldn't find in UDFAs. I probably made a mistake or two in there so feel free to rip away.

Bolded are either day 1 starters or guys who will play a significant role in their first season.

Well these can be somewhat fun to do they can never be accurate because 1 move will or would change the entire or most of what happens after. That's why when people want names or what you would have done years later or days later you can never fully respond. There is no way to know what 1 pick changed before your pick would have done. Guys that where gone may not have been but then it would be unreasonable if you picked said player. Do a draft simulator and you can see what I mean.

Yep butterfly effect.

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Apr 26, 2020 10:00:54 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

Apr 26, 2020 8:40:50 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Well these can be somewhat fun to do they can never be accurate because 1 move will or would change the entire or most of what happens after. That's why when people want names or what you would have done years later or days later you can never fully respond. There is no way to know what 1 pick changed before your pick would have done. Guys that where gone may not have been but then it would be unreasonable if you picked said player. Do a draft simulator and you can see what I mean.

Yep butterfly effect.

Exactly...

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Time For A Re-Draft Apr 26, 2020 10:08:03 GMT -6

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Apr 26, 2020 10:00:54 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

Apr 26, 2020 8:40:50 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Well these can be somewhat fun to do they can never be accurate because 1 move will or would change the entire or most of what happens after. That's why when people want names or what you would have done years later or days later you can never fully respond. There is no way to know what 1 pick changed before your pick would have done. Guys that where gone may not have been but then it would be unreasonable if you picked said player. Do a draft simulator and you can see what I mean.

Yep butterfly effect.

Nah. There is a butterfly effect for like 10 picks,then everything gets back on track. Certain guys were always going to go in certain ranges.

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Apr 26, 2020 8:12:19 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

The picks are in and we now know exactly where NFL teams value each player that was available to be drafted. Time to put your money where your mouth is.

Knowing that, we now have the opportunity to prove we are smarter than Rick when it comes to drafting. We will have the benefit of hindsight and knowing exactly where players went , but that is only fair considering this is his job and he is paid millions to do it, while we do this in our spare time.

Here are the rules:
#1 You can make trades, but it has to be for a pick or within 2 spots of a pick that was actually traded and it has to be for similar value. Here is a decent source for what the picks actually went for:

www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2020-live-trade-details-day-3/lv54elmbd8xm1lnkoal477pom

#2 The baseline for the Vikings draft will be the picks they had going into Day 1. Any trade downs you will have to do yourself.

#3 Try to include who you think will contribute day 1.

That is it. I will start with my re-draft:

#22 Justin Jefferson WR
#25 Jordan Love/Isiah Wilson T - I am on the fence about this one, because I like Love, but I also like Rodgers and Packer fans being upset. The Packers taking Love instead of a skill position also helps us in 2020 and probably 2021.
#58 Fulton CB
#74 (Trade #89 and 2021 3rd round pick) Jordan Elliot DT
#105 Tyre Phillips G
#132 Wonnum DE
#196 (Trade everything I have left, I don't care about 6th and 7th rounders) Peoples-Jones WR

There you go. Still need a 3 Tech and safety depth, but I don't think we got anything in the draft that we couldn't find in UDFAs. I probably made a mistake or two in there so feel free to rip away.

Bolded are either day 1 starters or guys who will play a significant role in their first season.

I like your draft better.

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Apr 26, 2020 8:40:50 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Well these can be somewhat fun to do they can never be accurate because 1 move will or would change the entire or most of what happens after. That's why when people want names or what you would have done years later or days later you can never fully respond. There is no way to know what 1 pick changed before your pick would have done. Guys that where gone may not have been but then it would be unreasonable if you picked said player. Do a draft simulator and you can see what I mean.

Fun, yes, but also ties into the PPA thread we have. While it's easy to criticize nearly every move a team makes, why not double down and say what you would have done if the board fell exactly the way it did? That's what makes these things fun to look back on, especially for the overly-opinionated bunch who will complain now AND complain later, pretending they knew all along. lol. What I've noticed, though? It's only fun to complain; not so fun to suggest a better route. Well, if people are so much smarter than Spielman and Zimmer, let's see it! Do put names out there. We can look back on this in a few years and see what's what.

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Apr 26, 2020 10:08:03 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Apr 26, 2020 10:00:54 GMT -6 hokievike88 said:

Yep butterfly effect.

Nah. There is a butterfly effect for like 10 picks,then everythinhg gets back on track. Certain guys were always going to go in certain ranges.

Untrue.

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Apr 26, 2020 10:25:29 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Apr 26, 2020 8:40:50 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Well these can be somewhat fun to do they can never be accurate because 1 move will or would change the entire or most of what happens after. That's why when people want names or what you would have done years later or days later you can never fully respond. There is no way to know what 1 pick changed before your pick would have done. Guys that where gone may not have been but then it would be unreasonable if you picked said player. Do a draft simulator and you can see what I mean.

Fun, yes, but also ties into the PPA thread we have. While it's easy to criticize nearly every move a team makes, why not double down and say what you would have done if the board fell exactly the way it did? That's what makes these things fun to look back on, especially for the overly-opinionated bunch who will complain now AND complain later, pretending they knew all along. lol. What I've noticed, though? It's only fun to complain; not so fun to suggest a better route. Well, if people are so much smarter than Spielman and Zimmer, let's see it! Do put names out there. We can look back on this in a few years and see what's what.

Let's see yours...

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Apr 26, 2020 11:43:20 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Let's see yours...

I'm no draft expert - nor do I claim to be. I wish I was! Maybe Danchat can teach me. lol. Normally, I leave that up to the people who do this sort of thing for a living, so I don't criticize too much, because I can openly admit I really don't know. I just go by all the things I've read over the past couple of months. But considering we're basically getting an A across the board with all experts, I'm okay with leaving it as it is and seeing how it pans out. Was I curious as to why we weren't doing more at G and DT a bit earlier? Sure, but after I read about how we drafted looking more for athletic traits and using analytics looking for metrics that best predict NFL success, I'm good with what the Vikings did. So, no need to do a re-draft for me. When I spent some time doing the thread yesterday for our late-rounders, there is a lot to like, and I'm optimistic about what some of them can do for us.

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Apr 26, 2020 11:56:34 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Apr 26, 2020 11:43:20 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Let's see yours...

I'm no draft expert - nor do I claim to be. I wish I was! Maybe Danchat can teach me. lol. Normally, I leave that up to the people who do this sort of thing for a living, so I don't criticize too much, because I can openly admit I really don't know. I just go by all the things I've read over the past couple of months. But considering we're basically getting an A across the board with all experts, I'm okay with leaving it as it is and seeing how it pans out. Was I curious as to why we weren't doing more at G and DT a bit earlier? Sure, but after I read about how we drafted looking more for athletic traits and using analytics looking for metrics that best predict NFL success, I'm good with what the Vikings did. So, no need to do a re-draft for me. When I spent some time doing the thread yesterday for our late-rounders, there is a lot to like, and I'm optimistic about what some of them can do for us.

The bad is it just becomes a b*tch fest and I have enough issues without adding to em.

Well the paper grades don't impress. Rick is great at paper grades but just doesn't translate. So either it's the staff or not getting talent that works together. So there is blame depending on where and or who you want it to stick to. I blame both Rick and Zim at this point.

I use to do the draft stuff "heavily" but got burnt out and years of files are sitting on a hard drive I haven't touched for 3 or 4 years. I won't go into my past $$. That is all I will say.

I'm hoping for long term success from many but I doubt it's more than 2 or 3 that have long term impact at a high level. Covid19 isn't going to help this team and if shortened season happens it won't go well for teams like the Vikings. I don't like giving passes but I also have to be fair in judgment. This year isn't going to be good with so many moving parts and if the season is cut short will make it even worse. That includes camps and preseason as well.

I'm of different mindset then others but I wish Rick would have made the trade that the Patriots received to get a 2nd and 3rd. Time will tell but I don't think JJ was worth 2 players. He wasn't even the best "statistically speaking" WR at LSU. I think Rick dips his toe in the water just deep enough to say he did it. 1 wr and 1 ol isn't what we needed. The corner issue is beyond idiotic at this point.

I get we had a ton of holes to fill but that is at his feet as well and or Zims for not coaching guys up. Again you make the call but blame is there.

I think Rick gets a bit cute at times trying to get athletic vs football players. It may work for certian positions but not all.

Heart want and desire still can't be measured by a computer driven program. That's enough rambling for now got to put down some grass seed before momma gets home. You think I'm hard to please...

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Time For A Re-Draft Apr 26, 2020 13:33:41 GMT -6

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Apr 26, 2020 11:56:34 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Apr 26, 2020 11:43:20 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Let's see yours...

I'm no draft expert - nor do I claim to be. I wish I was! Maybe Danchat can teach me. lol. Normally, I leave that up to the people who do this sort of thing for a living, so I don't criticize too much, because I can openly admit I really don't know. I just go by all the things I've read over the past couple of months. But considering we're basically getting an A across the board with all experts, I'm okay with leaving it as it is and seeing how it pans out. Was I curious as to why we weren't doing more at G and DT a bit earlier? Sure, but after I read about how we drafted looking more for athletic traits and using analytics looking for metrics that best predict NFL success, I'm good with what the Vikings did. So, no need to do a re-draft for me. When I spent some time doing the thread yesterday for our late-rounders, there is a lot to like, and I'm optimistic about what some of them can do for us.

Same here.

I mean, there are guys that I watch play and like there abilities, but I'm certainly not a student of the college game and don't possess enough knowledge to conduct a draft let alone a redraft.

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Apr 26, 2020 11:56:34 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Apr 26, 2020 11:43:20 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Let's see yours...

I'm no draft expert - nor do I claim to be. I wish I was! Maybe Danchat can teach me. lol. Normally, I leave that up to the people who do this sort of thing for a living, so I don't criticize too much, because I can openly admit I really don't know. I just go by all the things I've read over the past couple of months. But considering we're basically getting an A across the board with all experts, I'm okay with leaving it as it is and seeing how it pans out. Was I curious as to why we weren't doing more at G and DT a bit earlier? Sure, but after I read about how we drafted looking more for athletic traits and using analytics looking for metrics that best predict NFL success, I'm good with what the Vikings did. So, no need to do a re-draft for me. When I spent some time doing the thread yesterday for our late-rounders, there is a lot to like, and I'm optimistic about what some of them can do for us.

Nice post I absolutely agree! We had a nice draft on paper. I have a slight concern about not taking a mid round OG (some good ones were there). Besides that no complaints really maybe not grabbing Eason or Fromm. Like I said all offseason we should move Oli Udoh to LG. We deep at OT we need more power on the interior.