A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 3, 2020 12:10:38 GMT -6 via mobile

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Apr 3, 2020 7:33:36 GMT -6 yessir said:

Apr 2, 2020 20:25:18 GMT -6 IAVike said:

Again, I enjoy doing these for fun and by no means ever expect this to happen. This one is what I would do from this point on to put us in the best position to win in 2020 and beyond. Hope Rick listens to me...

Currently 12.2 in cap space:

1. Resign A Harris for 4yrs 46m (30 Gtd)
Contract 10 + 12 + 12 + 12

2. SUPRISE 1-Resign Ev. Griffen 3yrs 32m (18 Gtd)
Contract 8 + 12 + 12

3. Sign D Dennard 2yrs 10m (3.5 gtd)
Contract 4.5 + 5.5

***Cleveland trades Pick 74 to Washington for Trent Williams in the next few weeks

Draft:
SUPRISE 2-Vikings trade Picks 22 + 25 + 89 + 201 to Cleveland for Picks 10 + 41

Pick 10: Jedrick Wills Jr OT Alabama
Pick 41: Brandon Aiyuk WR ASU
Pick 58: Jaylon Johnson CB Utah
Pick 105: Jonah Jackson G OSU
Pick 132: Lynn Bowden WR Kentucky
Pick 155: Antoine Brooks Jr S Maryland
Pick 205: Carter Coughlin OLB Minn
Pick 219: Nate Stanley QB Iowa
Pick 249: Tanner Muse S Clemson
Pick 253: Benito Jones Dt Ole Miss

After draft we cut Rieff and Elf saving 10.9 against the cap.

So after signing picks should have around 5 million left for emergency and hopefully roll into 2021

Starting lineups
QB Cousins
RB Cook
FB Hamm
WR1 Thielen
WR2 Aiyuk
WR3 Sharpe
WR4 Bowden (our gadget guy)
TE1 Ruldoph
TE2 Smith JR
LT Wills
LG Jackson
C Bradbury
RG Samia
RT ONiell

RDE Griffen/Odenighbo
NT Pierce
DT Watts/Johnson
LDE Hunter
OLB Barr
MLB Kendricks
OLB Wilson
CB1 Hughes
CB2 Hill
CB3 Johnson
NCB Dennard
SS Smith
FS Harris

P Colquitt
K Bailey
LS Cutting

-Think it gives us good depth too.
-O line would be young but can't be worse than last year.
-I actually think this DB core would be better than last year.
-If Watts develops this D Line would be good too.
-Wr group well, would have to see 🤞

Hope you all are staying safe.

Don't be too harsh on me 👍

nice job....but yeah any mock idea that doesn't have us adding a legit 3-tech DT I would be dissapointed

I hear ya but in this situation Griffen would take alot of that DT spot on passing downs

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 3, 2020 13:11:28 GMT -6 via mobile

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Apr 3, 2020 8:38:53 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Apr 3, 2020 7:50:31 GMT -6 BosViking said:

You gotta be realistic. We in rebuilding.... Spielgod has simply put us in a spot where we can fill all holes this offseason. Some of the big holes on the roster will simply need "young" guys (rookies or guys like Hill. Hughes, Watts, Holmes, Jaleel Johnson, Mattison, Smith, Bradbury, etc) to really step up.

The reality is.... expecting SO MANY "young guys" to take on major roles this season isn't a recipe for success.

Bottom line. We are most definitely in rebuild mode right now.

idk. Sounds alot like 2015 to me. Except with a better qb

I hope not

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 3, 2020 13:18:54 GMT -6 via mobile vikingpwr likes this

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Apr 3, 2020 13:11:28 GMT -6 IAVike said:

Apr 3, 2020 8:38:53 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

idk. Sounds alot like 2015 to me. Except with a better qb

I hope not

you wouldn't want 11 wins and a divisional title?

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 3, 2020 13:57:03 GMT -6 via mobile

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Apr 3, 2020 13:18:54 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Apr 3, 2020 13:11:28 GMT -6 IAVike said:

I hope not

you wouldn't want 11 wins and a divisional title?

Nope....jk
Thought you were talking about our 3-13 season

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 3, 2020 14:05:44 GMT -6

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Apr 2, 2020 20:25:18 GMT -6 IAVike said:

Currently 12.2 in cap space:

1. Resign A Harris for 4yrs 46m (30 Gtd)
Contract 10 + 12 + 12 + 12

2. SUPRISE 1-Resign Ev. Griffen 3yrs 32m (18 Gtd)
Contract 8 + 12 + 12

3. Sign D Dennard 2yrs 10m (3.5 gtd)
Contract 4.5 + 5.5

After draft we cut Rieff and Elf saving 10.9 against the cap.

So after signing picks should have around 5 million left for emergency and hopefully roll into 2021

I'm not following your cap math at all here. How much are the signing bonuses on those three contracts? They appear to be all base salary, which wouldn't make much sense.

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 3, 2020 14:40:45 GMT -6 via mobile

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Apr 3, 2020 14:05:44 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

Apr 2, 2020 20:25:18 GMT -6 IAVike said:

Currently 12.2 in cap space:

1. Resign A Harris for 4yrs 46m (30 Gtd)
Contract 10 + 12 + 12 + 12

2. SUPRISE 1-Resign Ev. Griffen 3yrs 32m (18 Gtd)
Contract 8 + 12 + 12

3. Sign D Dennard 2yrs 10m (3.5 gtd)
Contract 4.5 + 5.5

After draft we cut Rieff and Elf saving 10.9 against the cap.

So after signing picks should have around 5 million left for emergency and hopefully roll into 2021

I'm not following your cap math at all here. How much are the signing bonuses on those three contracts? They appear to be all base salary, which wouldn't make much sense.

I don't pretend to know those numbers. I strictly use cap hits for each season.

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 3, 2020 15:14:10 GMT -6

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Apr 3, 2020 14:40:45 GMT -6 IAVike said:

Apr 3, 2020 14:05:44 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

I'm not following your cap math at all here. How much are the signing bonuses on those three contracts? They appear to be all base salary, which wouldn't make much sense.

I don't pretend to know those numbers. I strictly use cap hits for each season.

They can be whatever you want them to be. It's your thread! You just need to tell us so that we can understand what exactly you are proposing.

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 3, 2020 17:11:15 GMT -6 via mobile gucci likes this

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Apr 3, 2020 15:14:10 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

Apr 3, 2020 14:40:45 GMT -6 IAVike said:

I don't pretend to know those numbers. I strictly use cap hits for each season.

They can be whatever you want them to be. It's your thread! You just need to tell us so that we can understand what exactly you are proposing.

I am just using a cap number per year. I think its pretty easy to follow..maybe I am wrong

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 4, 2020 8:12:34 GMT -6 via Tapatalk IAVike likes this

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Apr 3, 2020 17:11:15 GMT -6 IAVike said:

Apr 3, 2020 15:14:10 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

They can be whatever you want them to be. It's your thread! You just need to tell us so that we can understand what exactly you are proposing.

I am just using a cap number per year. I think its pretty easy to follow..maybe I am wrong

It is... not sure where the confusion is for NoresemanSam

For example. You said Harris 4yr $46mil 30gtd

Year 1: 7.5signing bonus + 2.5 base
Year 2-4: 7.5SB + 4.5 base

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 4, 2020 10:53:37 GMT -6

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Apr 4, 2020 8:12:34 GMT -6 BosViking said:

Apr 3, 2020 17:11:15 GMT -6 IAVike said:

I am just using a cap number per year. I think its pretty easy to follow..maybe I am wrong

It is... not sure where the confusion is for NoresemanSam

For example. You said Harris 4yr $46mil 30gtd

Year 1: 7.5signing bonus + 2.5 base
Year 2-4: 7.5SB + 4.5 base

Your illustration makes sense if what IAVike listed as "guaranteed" was really meant to be "signing bonus," which as you know is one form of guaranteed money, but certainly not the only form. A lot of extensions have some of the guaranteed money as signing bonus and some as guaranteed base salaries for the first year, or two, or more. The advantage being that if a player is traded, the guaranteed base salary goes with them and doesn't hit our cap as dead money. Certainly several here (not you BosViking ) demonstrated zero understanding of this in the recent thread regarding Kirk's extension.

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 4, 2020 11:31:58 GMT -6 via Tapatalk NoresemanSam likes this

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Apr 4, 2020 10:53:37 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

Apr 4, 2020 8:12:34 GMT -6 BosViking said:

It is... not sure where the confusion is for NoresemanSam

For example. You said Harris 4yr $46mil 30gtd

Year 1: 7.5signing bonus + 2.5 base
Year 2-4: 7.5SB + 4.5 base

Your illustration makes sense if what @iavike listed as "guaranteed" was really meant to be "signing bonus," which as you know is one form of guaranteed money, but certainly not the only form. A lot of extensions have some of the guaranteed money as signing bonus and some as guaranteed base salaries for the first year, or two, or more. The advantage being that if a player is traded, the guaranteed base salary goes with them and doesn't hit our cap as dead money. Certainly several here (not you BosViking) demonstrated zero understanding of this in the recent thread regarding Kirk's extension.

Keep in mind that Harris under the tag has a fully gtd $11mil or w.e it is......

So adding another $19mil gtd at signing doesn't seem out of the question.

I actually think it would be a fair deal for both sides.

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A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 4, 2020 11:43:02 GMT -6 IAVike likes this

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Apr 4, 2020 11:31:58 GMT -6 BosViking said:

Apr 4, 2020 10:53:37 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said:

Your illustration makes sense if what @iavike listed as "guaranteed" was really meant to be "signing bonus," which as you know is one form of guaranteed money, but certainly not the only form. A lot of extensions have some of the guaranteed money as signing bonus and some as guaranteed base salaries for the first year, or two, or more. The advantage being that if a player is traded, the guaranteed base salary goes with them and doesn't hit our cap as dead money. Certainly several here (not you BosViking ) demonstrated zero understanding of this in the recent thread regarding Kirk's extension.

Keep in mind that Harris under the tag has a fully gtd $11mil or w.e it is......

So adding another $19mil gtd at signing doesn't seem out of the question.

I actually think it would be a fair deal for both sides.

I agree. As you know, I'm right there with you in wanting us to keep Harris, preferably under a long term extension, but under the tag at a minimum. With a core of Hunter, Pierce, Kendricks, Barr, Smith and Harris; our defense should be just fine. I really want to see what some of our 2nd and 3rd year guys can do at DT, DE, OLB and CB as well.

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vikingpwr Living Legend Posts: 21,402 Likes: 4,611	A Mid FA Pre Draft Risky Deep Dive Apr 4, 2020 12:58:12 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by vikingpwr on Apr 4, 2020 12:58:12 GMT -6 Apr 4, 2020 11:43:02 GMT -6 NoresemanSam said: I really want to see what some of our 2nd and 3rd year guys can do at DT, DE, OLB and CB as well. Don't you fret norseman........that's Ricky's master plan.