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Post by vikingsfan1986 on Mar 24, 2020 18:15:18 GMT -6

I completely agree with one of the other posters that this is the best off-season we have had in a long time, given our current cap situation and need to get younger. We have a very strong new core and the clearing cap space to resign upcoming core contracts

Good Moves:
1. Moving on from aging veterans (Joseph & Rhodes)
I love Griffen but we are preparing for 2022.
2. Clearing cap, we were around 10 million over before start of year and are around 20 million under as I’m writing
3. We retained our kicking game, pro bowl fullback, top back up linebacker and top off season priority in Anthony Harris, swing tackle
4. We decided that Cousins is our guy and this offense is here to stay
5. Signing the Juggernaut
6. Not signing or restructuring contracts of any of the veterans that would equate to poor term value

Not good but not bad:
5. Diggs Trade (the good) we moved on from a disgruntled player and received more than fair draft capital. (The bad) young, fit the offense perfect, great value based salary and was a fan favorite.

Bad moves:
6. Cutting Kline for 1.5 in cap relief (maybe concussion issues)?? Letting Alexander walk for a 4 million dollar contract??

If we nail the draft this will be a reload
If miss it’s going to be a mini rebuild

Looking forward to:
our new core of players Cousins, O’Neil, Bradberry, Smith, Cook, Hunter, Barr, Kendricks, Pierce and maybe one of the 3 young DBs

The development of Hill, Boyd, Hughes, Sumia, Udo (think he might surprise), Watts and can Johnson, Smith, Bradberry, Odenigbo take a step!!! SKOL

Next year or even this season I can see us moving on from Reiff and one of
Rudolph or Smith

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Great first post! I completely agree with you. This team could be really fun next year and the year after if they leverage this draft into some serious talent.

The part of my soul the Vikings haven't crushed is sitting here salivating about Pierce and Blacklock in middle of our defense. About Tyler Johnson running beautiful seam routes off play action.

The talent in this draft is exciting and we have an exciting opportunity to cash in.

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Post by diehardtwinsfan on Mar 25, 2020 5:31:08 GMT -6

It definitely should be fun to watch. I think we're a 6 to 10 win team though.. want to be wrong, but some of the second string really needs to step up and Rick is going to have to nail pretty much every pick in the first 3 rounds plus unearth a few later round gems for 2020 to be special. This is looking like he's aiming for 2021/22.

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Diehard twins fan-

I agree with you in we are playing for 2021/22? It appears that most fans and media have an expectation that we were Super Bowl contenders and were some how going to be better with an older team under cap constraints. This
season was not going to be the over the hump team.

Are we a 6-10 team? Possibly so but we could also be 8-8. I believe we are gonna be in a lot of close games. Just by nature of running the ball and stopping the run being a priority. How our offense plays on the last drive of game will determine a loosing record vs a 500 type record in my opinion. Either way we loose very little next season, have addition cap space and another draft with 10 picks of capital.

I also believe philosophically the only way we win a super under Zimmer is by building a dominant offense that can dictate pace and control of a game. Zimmer’s defense is not a defense that is constructed to lead a team, rather its complimentary. Being it’s built to slow and constrict a team from scoring rather than taking the ball away and scoring like teams that win Super Bowls lead by defenses.

whoskmoon Content Creator Posts: 8,870 Likes: 7,218	Good and bad this off season Mar 25, 2020 13:13:03 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by whoskmoon on Mar 25, 2020 13:13:03 GMT -6 Kline was not a bad move. If he didn't play poorly last year he would be on the team still, and cutting players who play poorly is a good thing.

vikingpwr Living Legend Posts: 21,391 Likes: 4,606	Good and bad this off season Mar 25, 2020 13:51:15 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by vikingpwr on Mar 25, 2020 13:51:15 GMT -6 Mar 25, 2020 13:13:03 GMT -6 whoskmoon said: Kline was not a bad move. Definition of stopgap : something that serves as a temporary expedient Dru Samia is the future RG.
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Mar 25, 2020 13:51:15 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Mar 25, 2020 13:13:03 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Kline was not a bad move.

Definition of stopgap
: something that serves as a temporary expedient

Dru Samia is the future RG.

Who's the future (or present) LG?

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Mar 25, 2020 13:53:27 GMT -6 BosViking said:

Mar 25, 2020 13:51:15 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Definition of stopgap
: something that serves as a temporary expedient

Dru Samia is the future RG.

Who's the future (or present) LG?

Don't know. It should become clearer after the draft.

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Mar 25, 2020 10:07:58 GMT -6 vikingsfan1986 said:

Diehard twins fan-

I agree with you in we are playing for 2021/22? It appears that most fans and media have an expectation that we were Super Bowl contenders and were some how going to be better with an older team under cap constraints. This
season was not going to be the over the hump team.

Are we a 6-10 team? Possibly so but we could also be 8-8. I believe we are gonna be in a lot of close games. Just by nature of running the ball and stopping the run being a priority. How our offense plays on the last drive of game will determine a loosing record vs a 500 type record in my opinion. Either way we loose very little next season, have addition cap space and another draft with 10 picks of capital.

I also believe philosophically the only way we win a super under Zimmer is by building a dominant offense that can dictate pace and control of a game. Zimmer’s defense is not a defense that is constructed to lead a team, rather its complimentary. Being it’s built to slow and constrict a team from scoring rather than taking the ball away and scoring like teams that win Super Bowls lead by defenses.

To be clear I think 6-10 is on the low end... 10-6 on the high... I wasn't predicting a 6-10 season but saying we are a 6 to 10 win team... hope that makes sense.

Fans and media want a SB. I don't blame them. I want one too. What they did this season was jettison a lot of dead money and pick up a bunch of extra picks. we might get lucky and find 5 starters in our first 5 picks, but impact starters will still take some time to develop. Some of the guys like Odenigbo, Samia, and Udoh will need to step up too, and I think Zimmer is really going to be forced to rebuild his defense and so I am not expecting a lot this year.

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Mar 25, 2020 14:00:19 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Mar 25, 2020 13:53:27 GMT -6 BosViking said:

Who's the future (or present) LG?

Don't know. It should become clearer after the draft.

Or.........maybe Dennison is cooking up something and will play Samia and Oli at the two guard spots. That would open some eyes for sure. Sign Trent Williams and lets go!

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To be clear I think 6-10 is on the low end... 10-6 on the high... I wasn't predicting a 6-10 season but saying we are a 6 to 10 win team... hope that makes sense.

Fans and media want a SB. I don't blame them. I want one too. What they did this season was jettison a lot of dead money and pick up a bunch of extra picks. we might get lucky and find 5 starters in our first 5 picks, but impact starters will still take some time to develop. Some of the guys like Odenigbo, Samia, and Udoh will need to step up too, and I think Zimmer is really going to be forced to rebuild his defense and so I am not expecting a lot this year

Ah!! Yes totally makes sense.... I skimmed and just saw the 10 and 6.

I agree with you and see a mini rebuild on defense. I think Zimmer really showed his value the first two seasons the way he turned around our defense and expect the same. Although we are in much better position now than then.

I think we need a CB tho whether it be trading up this season or next but I believe it should be through the draft. FA are to expensive and we want
a young corner that can run and learn the system. Hope we don’t take Fulton unless he falls to 58

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Mar 25, 2020 15:34:59 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Mar 25, 2020 14:00:19 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Don't know. It should become clearer after the draft.

Or.........maybe Dennison is cooking up something and will play Samia and Oli at the two guard spots. That would open some eyes for sure. Sign Trent Williams and lets go!

isn't udoh a tackle? all I keep hearing is that it's impossible for tackles to move inside but now you have a raw tackle starting at guard for us?

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isn't udoh a tackle? all I keep hearing is that it's impossible for tackles to move inside but now you have a raw tackle starting at guard for us?

Yes Oli Udoh was a raw 6’5 330lb Tackle with 35 1/2 arm length. I think he may be a surprise this season and one of the guys I can’t wait to see the development in. The way he handled an unmotivated Mack week 17 last season makes me extremely optimistic. He has all the tools!!

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Mar 25, 2020 16:09:25 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

isn't udoh a tackle? all I keep hearing is that it's impossible for tackles to move inside but now you have a raw tackle starting at guard for us?

Eh, moving a guy from tackle to guard depends on a bunch of criteria. It is very common for players to play tackle in college and then move to guard in the NFL. After the Vikings got burned when moving Remmers from RT to RG, I'm sure many are less open to the suggestion.

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