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NFL Kicking Woes Dec 2, 2019 19:23:43 GMT -6 Funkytown and Danchat like this

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Dec 2, 2019 11:11:42 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Offseason project, Reignman. Have kickers always been this bad or are we just noticing it now? Because man, it seems like it's getting worse!

Offseason project? I can do that right now in 4 seconds xD.

YEAR   FG/ATT    PCT  50+/ATT   PCT   PAT/ATT    PCT
2002  737/951   77.5   44/84   52.4  1148/1165  98.5
2003  756/954   79.3   45/93   48.4  1110/1128  98.4
2004  703/870   80.8   53/91   58.2  1179/1189  99.2
2005  783/967   81.0   48/92   52.2  1099/1114  98.7
2006  767/942   81.4   40/85   47.1  1124/1135  99.0
2007  795/960   82.8   45/95   47.4  1165/1178  98.9
2008  845/1000  84.5   66/104  63.5  1170/1176  99.5
2009  756/930   81.3   55/104  52.9  1165/1185  98.3
2010  789/959   82.3   59/108  54.6  1207/1221  98.9
2011  838/1011  82.9   90/140  64.3  1200/1207  99.4
2012  852/1016  83.9   92/151  60.9  1229/1235  99.5
2013  863/998   86.5   96/143  67.1  1262/1267  99.6
2014  829/987   84.0   94/154  61.0  1222/1230  99.4
2015  834/987   84.5  104/160  65.0  1146/1217  94.2 (PAT moved back to the 15)
2016  850/1009  84.2   85/150  56.7  1119/1195  93.6
2017  866/1027  84.3  107/154  69.5  1066/1134  94.0
2018  802/947   84.7   97/152  63.8  1164/1235  94.3
2019  591/741   79.8   59/111  53.2   820/879   93.3 (worst PAT pct since 1979)

So there you have it. League cruising along steady at a mid 80's conversion rate for 15 years, then boom, we're back to early 2000's level FG conversions for some reason. We have 15 teams at 75% or worse. Last year there were only 4 teams. And for once it's not the Vikings, who are 8th at converting 88.2% of FG's. Only 93.8% of PAT's however, which is 17th.

The entire league missed only 5 PAT's in 2013, but the Bucs, Patriots, Colts, and Texans have all missed 5 PAT's by themselves already this year.

Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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NFL Kicking Woes Dec 2, 2019 22:40:32 GMT -6 Reignman and Funkytown like this

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Dec 2, 2019 19:23:43 GMT -6 Reignman said:

2015 834/987 84.5 104/160 65.0 1146/1217 94.2 (PAT moved back to the 15)
2016 850/1009 84.2 85/150 56.7 1119/1195 93.6
2017 866/1027 84.3 107/154 69.5 1066/1134 94.0
2018 802/947 84.7 97/152 63.8 1164/1235 94.3
2019 591/741 79.8 59/111 53.2 820/879 93.3 (worst PAT pct since 1979)

Looks like this has indeed been a bad year for kickers. More on the FG side, but Funky's point stands.

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NFL Kicking Woes Dec 3, 2019 9:35:01 GMT -6

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Thanks, Reignman! Yep! Looks like 2019 is a doozy!

Kickers in the NFL are worse this season.

The league-wide field goal success rate this season is 79.9 percent, down significantly from last season’s 84.7 percent. The success rate on extra points this season is 93.2 percent, down from last season’s 94.3 percent.

As noted by Nick Veronica of the Buffalo News, the field goal accuracy decline of 4.8 percentage points is the steepest decline in NFL history from one season to the next.

The steepest decline is on field goals of 50 yards and longer, where kickers are making just 53.2 percent this year after making 63.8 percent last year.

Link: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/03/kickers-struggling-across-the-nfl/

diehardtwinsfan Moderator Posts: 11,972 Likes: 7,513	NFL Kicking Woes Dec 3, 2019 12:25:22 GMT -6 Reignman likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 3, 2019 12:25:22 GMT -6 Not sure if Reignman ran the numbers yet or if PFT stole it from him, but NFL kicking percentage is way down this year. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

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NFL Kicking Woes Dec 3, 2019 12:33:19 GMT -6

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Dec 3, 2019 12:25:22 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

Not sure if Reignman ran the numbers yet or if PFT stole it from him, but NFL kicking percentage is way down this year.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Wrong link.

And, yes, it's in the Dallas thread. I can move it over.

diehardtwinsfan Moderator Posts: 11,972 Likes: 7,513	NFL Kicking Woes Dec 3, 2019 16:17:19 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 3, 2019 16:17:19 GMT -6 Here it is: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/03/kickers-struggling-across-the-nfl/

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NFL Kicking Woes Dec 3, 2019 19:22:34 GMT -6

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Dec 3, 2019 9:35:01 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Thanks, Reignman! Yep! Looks like 2019 is a doozy!

Kickers in the NFL are worse this season.

The league-wide field goal success rate this season is 79.9 percent, down significantly from last season’s 84.7 percent. The success rate on extra points this season is 93.2 percent, down from last season’s 94.3 percent.

As noted by Nick Veronica of the Buffalo News, the field goal accuracy decline of 4.8 percentage points is the steepest decline in NFL history from one season to the next.

The steepest decline is on field goals of 50 yards and longer, where kickers are making just 53.2 percent this year after making 63.8 percent last year.

Link: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/03/kickers-struggling-across-the-nfl/

Yeah I was going to mention that, 50+ pct is way down too. Every category is down from last year. Maybe the league changed something with the footballs, like MLB did in baseball?

RANGE  2018  2019
20-29  98.6  97.9
30-39  94.1  90.7
40-49  76.3  68.6
50+    63.8  53.2

Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

Funkytown Owner Purple Pain Big Dog Posts: 67,654 Likes: 31,578 Fan Since: 1998	NFL Kicking Woes Dec 4, 2019 19:42:14 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Funkytown on Dec 4, 2019 19:42:14 GMT -6 Danchat, can you share the meat and potatoes of this with us?

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NFL Kicking Woes Dec 4, 2019 20:07:41 GMT -6 Funkytown likes this

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Dec 4, 2019 19:42:14 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Danchat , can you share the meat and potatoes of this with us?

The article's main points:

Anything can happen for kickers next season - kicker performance is incredibly volatile.

Good kickers exist, but NFL team have no idea how to identify them beforehand

Drafted kickers are not outperforming UDFA kickers (not a surprise to me!)

After 2-3 seasons, we still don't know much about a kicker

The value of a good kicker is between .1 to .2 WAR - about 10%-20% of a "win". It's not worth investing anything over $2-3M a year on a kicker

Funkytown Owner Purple Pain Big Dog Posts: 67,654 Likes: 31,578 Fan Since: 1998	NFL Kicking Woes Dec 17, 2019 17:24:43 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Funkytown on Dec 17, 2019 17:24:43 GMT -6