My Argument to NOT Extend Dalvin Cook

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My Argument to NOT Extend Dalvin Cook Apr 7, 2020 10:01:00 GMT -6 Danchat, vikingbill, and 1 more like this

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Post by Mondry on Apr 7, 2020 10:01:00 GMT -6

It's really easy to see why you wouldn't want to pay Cook when you compare him to Christian McCaffrey. My cousin did the analysis on it and sadly I didn't take notes, it might already be in this thread somewhere, if anyone can help me out with the stats that'd be awesome but the jist of it is compare how many games Cook has missed to McCaffrey, and then realize McCaffrey plays something like 92% of the snaps for the Panthers. I haven't looked but I believe Cook is more like 55-60% with Mattison / Boone / whoever responsible for the rest, if anyone has those numbers feel free to correct me.

In my mind, since Cook is missing games and only playing half the snaps or so anyway, it's just not worth it to pay him anywhere near what McCaffrey is getting. Then the question becomes, if we do pay him like a McCaffrey, can we up his load to 90% of the snaps? And the answer is probably not, that would only exacerbate the durability concerns.

When it comes to RB value, the prime example is the Titans, Derrick Henry lead the league in rushing in the regular season, lead the league in the post season, and clearly they want to play defense and run the ball and even they wouldn't commit to Henry long term.

Gurley went from an MVP candidate to cut and signing a 1 year prove it deal. There's just a mountain of evidence suggesting RB is a bad investment.

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My Argument to NOT Extend Dalvin Cook Apr 7, 2020 10:05:02 GMT -6

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Post by diehardtwinsfan on Apr 7, 2020 10:05:02 GMT -6

I would be on board with a reasonable extension, though I'm guessing the numbers I'd suggest would be laughed out of Cook's camp... His injury history and the fact that RBs are generally replaceable tends to make me think an extension won't be reached.

I would not at all be surprised if he holds out... and honestly, if I were in his shoes, I probably would. It sucks being a RB in the NFL right now, for the reason above...

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Post by slapnut19 on Apr 7, 2020 10:10:01 GMT -6

I don't see how cook could ask for more than the 2 year 16 mil deal Melvin Gordon just signed. Gordon is a more accomplished more durable player. Id be fine with cook getting an extension similar to that. Definitely not some 3 or 4 year deal

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My Argument to NOT Extend Dalvin Cook Apr 7, 2020 11:02:02 GMT -6 Mondry likes this

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Post by kyvikesfan59 on Apr 7, 2020 11:02:02 GMT -6

The percentage of touches between Cook and Mattison/Boone is 65/35%. Cook missed one game last season not counting the final game when all the starters sat. The TD comparison is 15/5.

No way should Cook get a comparable contract to what McCaffrey is going to get soon, even though Cook finished 2nd behind McCaffrey in total yards from scrimmage.

But I can't be convinced that he isn't worth $8-9M per. He's far more valuable than what he's being perceived as by some.

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Apr 7, 2020 11:02:02 GMT -6 kyvikesfan59 said:

The percentage of touches between Cook and Mattison/Boone is 65/35%. Cook missed one game last season not counting the final game when all the starters sat. The TD comparison is 15/5.

No way should Cook get a comparable contract to what McCaffrey is going to get soon, even though Cook finished 2nd behind McCaffrey in total yards from scrimmage.

But I can't be convinced that he isn't worth $8-9M per. He's far more valuable than what he's being perceived as by some.

he's valuable but that doesn't mean you can ignore his injury history and the inevitable drop off he will be facing. A 2 or 3 year extension at around 8 mil per is about as far as i would go.

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My Argument to NOT Extend Dalvin Cook Apr 9, 2020 15:36:45 GMT -6

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Post by Purple Pain on Apr 9, 2020 15:36:45 GMT -6

“The things I do coming out of the backfield, the things I do in between the tackles, I block, I pretty much do it all,” Cook said of why he believes he’s the best. “I don’t have to come off the field. I think some guys just don’t do as much as I do, and I think that’s why I’m today’s (top) back.”

With that in mind, Cook, who has one year left on his rookie contract, is in line to sign a lucrative extension. He said he wants to stay long term with the Vikings.

“I definitely love Minnesota,” said Cook, who is on the books to make a base salary of $1.331 million in his fourth pro season in 2020. “I love everything the state has to bring. Being a kid, I was drafted (in 2017) from Miami (his hometown), so I didn’t know what I was getting myself into. I actually am happy where I’m at, and I would like to be in Minnesota long term.”

Cook said discussions about a contract extension are ongoing between his agent and the Vikings. He said he’s going to “let the business take care of the business” and “work my tail off to get what’s coming.”

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My Argument to NOT Extend Dalvin Cook Apr 9, 2020 21:01:36 GMT -6

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Apr 9, 2020 20:28:40 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

Well that scares me. Doesn’t sound like he’s taking that team discount people have been hoping for.

It'd be pretty dumb of him to be willing to tell the media he'll take a discount. Many HBs' 2nd contract is their final one, so he's got to maximize every penny he can get.

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My Argument to NOT Extend Dalvin Cook Apr 10, 2020 7:55:50 GMT -6 vikingbill likes this

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Post by gucci on Apr 10, 2020 7:55:50 GMT -6

we're once again in a horrible spot. In my opinion if we give him a big contract, and by the sounds of it he wants one of the biggest at his position, it will set us back for a couple years. Im a believer in Dalvin's talent and ability however im not a believer in his ability to stay healthy. With Kubiak's system in place i hope the team decides to invest in Oline, and keep rolling out talented RBs on rookie contracts.

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You know its bad when Packers fans are in the Twitter thread praying and hoping we pay Cook. I get rewarding the guy but - as mentioned above- it's looking like he wants top-money on a 4-year deal. I can't think of very many RB's today that I'd give that deal to....

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Apr 10, 2020 7:55:50 GMT -6 gucci said:

we're once again in a horrible spot. In my opinion if we give him a big contract, and by the sounds of it he wants one of the biggest at his position, it will set us back for a couple years. Im a believer in Dalvin's talent and ability however im not a believer in his ability to stay healthy. With Kubiak's system in place i hope the team decides to invest in Oline, and keep rolling out talented RBs on rookie contracts.

Doesn't it seem we find ourselves in unfavorable situations often? Odd. No?

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Apr 10, 2020 9:31:20 GMT -6 BosViking said:

Apr 10, 2020 7:55:50 GMT -6 gucci said:

we're once again in a horrible spot. In my opinion if we give him a big contract, and by the sounds of it he wants one of the biggest at his position, it will set us back for a couple years. Im a believer in Dalvin's talent and ability however im not a believer in his ability to stay healthy. With Kubiak's system in place i hope the team decides to invest in Oline, and keep rolling out talented RBs on rookie contracts.

Doesn't it seem we find ourselves in unfavorable situations often? Odd. No?

how is it an unfavorable position? Do you recommend we don't draft talented players?

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Apr 10, 2020 13:20:09 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Apr 10, 2020 9:31:20 GMT -6 BosViking said:

Doesn't it seem we find ourselves in unfavorable situations often? Odd. No?

how is it an unfavorable position? Do you recommend we don't draft talented players?

How about don't draft ones with injury concerns (Kalil, Cook, Childs, Teddy's "skinny knees," etc etc...... how many times does it have to come back to bite us before our GM learns to, at the very fkn least, limit his injury gambles.....

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Apr 10, 2020 9:31:20 GMT -6 BosViking said:

Apr 10, 2020 7:55:50 GMT -6 gucci said:

we're once again in a horrible spot. In my opinion if we give him a big contract, and by the sounds of it he wants one of the biggest at his position, it will set us back for a couple years. Im a believer in Dalvin's talent and ability however im not a believer in his ability to stay healthy. With Kubiak's system in place i hope the team decides to invest in Oline, and keep rolling out talented RBs on rookie contracts.

Doesn't it seem we find ourselves in unfavorable situations often? Odd. No?

This is a dumb way to attack Spielman. Even for you.

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My Argument to NOT Extend Dalvin Cook Apr 10, 2020 16:52:43 GMT -6

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Apr 10, 2020 8:03:43 GMT -6 @p18 said:

You know its bad when Packers fans are in the Twitter thread praying and hoping we pay Cook. I get rewarding the guy but - as mentioned above- it's looking like he wants top-money on a 4-year deal. I can't think of very many RB's today that I'd give that deal to....

Yeah, I wouldn't listen to Packers fans on Vikings payroll. They blasted the Vikings for Griffins first big contract saying he was unproven and not worth the money. Yet look what they dumped into Jimmy Graham the last few years.

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