Bye Bye Flip Flop - DeFilippo Has Been Fired!!!

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Bye Bye Flip Flop - DeFilippo Has Been Fired!!! Dec 13, 2018 20:20:35 GMT -6

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Post by Purple Pain on Dec 13, 2018 20:20:35 GMT -6

Interesting stuff here, I think.

Found on r/minnesotavikings:

Nice postmortem on the DeFilippo situation on Thomahawk Podcast. Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins have both played for him, and have some nice insights into what likely went wrong. (Relevant portion starts at the 16:30 mark)

Some comments left by those who listened:

TL:DL

Joe Thomas: Flip's largely to blame for not building off of what we had last year. Lacks creativity. Unable to adjust blocking schemes to help the oline. Also, partially a move by Zimmer to save his job. His route concepts are great, but his protection schemes his entire career have been stale, and teams are usually able to exploit them without him making changes. No creativity in the running game. Kirk can't do anything with people in his face all the time. Diggs and Thielen can't get the ball delivered where they want with a QB being pulverized.

Hawkins: He's never been balanced as far as play calling. In Cleveland, he passed constantly, and it makes it tougher on teams. Lead to team chemistry suffering as a whole. Says he knew Flip's hiring was a "recipe for disaster from the start." Thinks it was a bad move on Kirk's part to sign with Minnesota because Minnesota was more than likely going to decline after last year. His biggest issue with Flip was his run/pass balance, especially on 3rd and short. Same issues he had in Cleveland are what kept him down in Minnesota, including losing their OLine coach (He didn't die, but was fired after a domestic abuse incident.) before the season began.

Edit: If you get a chance after work, it's worth the listen.

They think he's really good at setting up a passing offense, but he isn't very knowledgable in blocking schemes and setting up a run game. They comment that it is actually super common for even good OC's to be that way and they rely on the O-Line Coach to be their running game expert. Joe Thomas mentions that in his experience, the O-Line coach often actually takes over the Offensive Coordinator role in meetings when it relates to the running game.

They note that DeFillipo has had some particularly bad luck in this regard, as both times he was an Offensive Coordinator he unexpectedly lost his O-Line Coach just before the season started (The coach getting arrested for domestic violence and then fired when he was the OC in Cleveland and then Tony Sparano dying just before the season here).

As a result, he has struggled to put together competent blocking schemes and running game, so he falls back on passing - which is what he knows best - and it makes the offense predictable and stale.

They both pretty much agreed they knew from the beginning bringing Flip in was a recipe for disaster. He's not creative with protection schemes or the run game.

Listened on my commute like 5 hours ago, but I think they both agreed that he didn't understand offensive line play very well. Sparano dying had a huge impact on his success because he likely would have mitigated some of that. Their formations and be plays were too predictable. Something Zim no doubt picked up on as a defensive mind

Hawk is also pretty adamant that Cousins was not a good fit for Flip. He's worked with a lot of Cousin's former coordinators/play callers and that was his conclusion. Doesn't get into too many specifics though.

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Post by Reignman on Dec 14, 2018 21:48:50 GMT -6

Not to derail the juicy Teddy knee conspiracy scandal, but I has Flipper data to post ...

With all this talk about how often he likes to pass, I needed to find out. The 2018 Vikings rank 5th out of 544 teams since 2002 in highest passing ratio. The 2015 Browns, which is the other team Flipper was OC, ranks 47th.


 RK  YEAR TM   W- L-T PLAYS PASS RUSH  RATIO
  1. 2013 ATL  4-12-0  1024  703  321  68.65
  2. 2006 DET  3-13-0   963  659  304  68.43
  3. 2013 CLE  4-12-0  1078  730  348  67.72
  4. 2018 PIT  7- 4-1   860  578  282  67.21
  5. 2018 MIN  6- 6-1   830  556  274  66.99  OC Flipper
  6. 2018 ATL  4- 9-0   821  548  273  66.75
  7. 2005 ARZ  5-11-0  1075  715  360  66.51
  8. 2002 LAR  7- 9-0  1024  681  343  66.50
  9. 2007 DET  7- 9-0   965  641  324  66.42
 10. 2011 DET 10- 6-0  1058  702  356  66.35
 11. 2012 DET  4-12-0  1160  769  391  66.29
 12. 2012 DAL  8- 8-0  1049  694  355  66.16
 13. 2014 OAK  3-13-0   994  657  337  66.10
 14. 2016 BAL  8- 8-0  1079  712  367  65.99
 15. 2018 GRB  5- 7-1   825  544  281  65.94
 16. 2008 ARZ  9- 7-0   998  658  340  65.93
 17. 2015 DET  7- 9-0  1030  676  354  65.63
 18. 2010 ARZ  5-11-0   931  611  320  65.63
 19. 2012 ARZ  5-11-0  1018  666  352  65.42
 20. 2012 NOS  7- 9-0  1067  697  370  65.32

 47. 2015 CLE  3-13-0  1042  662  380  63.53  OC Flipper

 74. 2016 MIN  8- 8-0  1006  626  380  62.23  Vikings next highest

511. 2007 MIN  8- 8-0   964  470  494  48.76  Vikings lowest

540. 2008 ATL 11- 5-0  1011  451  560  44.61  Bottom 5 ...
541. 2008 BAL 11- 5-0  1058  466  592  44.05
542. 2005 PIT 11- 5-0   960  411  549  42.81
543. 2009 NYJ  9- 7-0  1030  423  607  41.07
544. 2004 PIT 15- 1-0  1012  394  618  38.93  <--- rushing leads to winning guys

league average         1002  570  432  56.93
Vikings average         998  557  441  55.83

So yeah, Flipper likes to do some passing. To be fair, the Browns did a lot of losing so a high rate of passing makes sense.

It's also evidence of just how mediocre the Vikings really are. Whether they pass or run a lot, they finish .500 either way xD.

17 year team averages:

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RK  TM     W- L -T   PCT PLAYS PASS RUSH  RATIO
 1. DET   94-162-0  .367   997  626  371  62.78
 2. ARZ  119-136-1  .467   999  610  389  61.08
 3. NOS  140-116-0  .547  1041  626  415  60.16
 4. LAR   98-157-1  .385   994  591  403  59.45
 5. IND  164- 92-0  .641  1016  603  412  59.38
 6. GRB  162-105-2  .606  1018  599  418  58.89
 7. PHI  150-105-1  .588  1029  604  425  58.69
 8. OAK   92-164-0  .359   983  577  406  58.69
 9. CLE   76-180-0  .297   974  569  405  58.46
10. TAM  107-149-0  .418   987  577  411  58.41
11. NYG  130-126-0  .508  1012  586  426  57.88
12. MIA  115-141-0  .449   986  567  418  57.56
13. WAS  106-149-1  .416  1004  569  434  56.73
14. NEP  198- 58-0  .773  1056  598  458  56.67
15. CHI  119-137-0  .465   977  552  425  56.52
16. CIN  127-126-3  .502  1003  566  437  56.43
17. DAL  140-116-0  .547   998  561  437  56.22
18. ATL  143-125-1  .533  1007  566  442  56.15
19. LAC  139-117-0  .543  1001  561  440  56.06
20. JAX  103-153-0  .402  1002  561  441  55.94
21. MIN  137-130-2  .513   998  557  441  55.83
22. DEN  150-106-0  .586  1030  574  456  55.74
23. PIT  173- 93-2  .649  1013  564  450  55.64
24. BAL  144-112-0  .563  1029  570  458  55.44
25. SAF  113-142-1  .443   970  536  434  55.27
26. HOU  110-146-0  .430  1010  558  452  55.23
27. KAN  129-127-0  .504  1000  551  449  55.08
28. TEN  122-134-0  .477   976  537  439  55.00
29. BUF  110-146-0  .430   974  532  442  54.66
30. SEA  146-109-1  .572   999  545  455  54.51
31. NYJ  118-138-0  .461   992  534  458  53.83
32. CAR  137-118-1  .537   989  526  463  53.15

As you can see, nobody is a "run first" team xD. Except the 2004 Steelers.

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Bye Bye Flip Flop - DeFilippo Has Been Fired!!! Dec 14, 2018 21:54:32 GMT -6

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Post by purplectic on Dec 14, 2018 21:54:32 GMT -6

Dec 13, 2018 20:20:35 GMT -6 Purple Pain said:

Interesting stuff here, I think.

Found on r/minnesotavikings:

Nice postmortem on the DeFilippo situation on Thomahawk Podcast. Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins have both played for him, and have some nice insights into what likely went wrong. (Relevant portion starts at the 16:30 mark)

Some comments left by those who listened:

TL:DL

Joe Thomas: Flip's largely to blame for not building off of what we had last year. Lacks creativity. Unable to adjust blocking schemes to help the oline. Also, partially a move by Zimmer to save his job. His route concepts are great, but his protection schemes his entire career have been stale, and teams are usually able to exploit them without him making changes. No creativity in the running game. Kirk can't do anything with people in his face all the time. Diggs and Thielen can't get the ball delivered where they want with a QB being pulverized.

Hawkins: He's never been balanced as far as play calling. In Cleveland, he passed constantly, and it makes it tougher on teams. Lead to team chemistry suffering as a whole. Says he knew Flip's hiring was a "recipe for disaster from the start." Thinks it was a bad move on Kirk's part to sign with Minnesota because Minnesota was more than likely going to decline after last year. His biggest issue with Flip was his run/pass balance, especially on 3rd and short. Same issues he had in Cleveland are what kept him down in Minnesota, including losing their OLine coach (He didn't die, but was fired after a domestic abuse incident.) before the season began.

Edit: If you get a chance after work, it's worth the listen.

They think he's really good at setting up a passing offense, but he isn't very knowledgable in blocking schemes and setting up a run game. They comment that it is actually super common for even good OC's to be that way and they rely on the O-Line Coach to be their running game expert. Joe Thomas mentions that in his experience, the O-Line coach often actually takes over the Offensive Coordinator role in meetings when it relates to the running game.

They note that DeFillipo has had some particularly bad luck in this regard, as both times he was an Offensive Coordinator he unexpectedly lost his O-Line Coach just before the season started (The coach getting arrested for domestic violence and then fired when he was the OC in Cleveland and then Tony Sparano dying just before the season here).

As a result, he has struggled to put together competent blocking schemes and running game, so he falls back on passing - which is what he knows best - and it makes the offense predictable and stale.

They both pretty much agreed they knew from the beginning bringing Flip in was a recipe for disaster. He's not creative with protection schemes or the run game.

Listened on my commute like 5 hours ago, but I think they both agreed that he didn't understand offensive line play very well. Sparano dying had a huge impact on his success because he likely would have mitigated some of that. Their formations and be plays were too predictable. Something Zim no doubt picked up on as a defensive mind

Hawk is also pretty adamant that Cousins was not a good fit for Flip. He's worked with a lot of Cousin's former coordinators/play callers and that was his conclusion. Doesn't get into too many specifics though.

I have to agree that this is very interesting and quite telling as the scenario mirrors what happened once before. It really explains how things have broken down and more importantly, how things were not being adjusted. Reading both statements tells you what a bad fit he was. This answers a lot of questions I had.

I wonder if this will become a trend with these very young OC's and HC's once the face adversity will they adapt and overcome. We all saw what happened to the Rams in the playoffs and watch Matt Patricia stumble every other week with bonehead decisions.

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Bye Bye Flip Flop - DeFilippo Has Been Fired!!! Dec 14, 2018 22:26:09 GMT -6 beckmt and purplectic like this

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Post by Purple Pain on Dec 14, 2018 22:26:09 GMT -6

Why the Zimmer-DeFilippo Marriage Was Never Going to Work in Minnesota

It was just a bad marriage, and as is so often the case, it was no one’s fault, really. Mike Zimmer, a defensive-minded head coach, wanted to run the ball. His new offensive coordinator, John DeFilippo, a young and innovative aerial designer, wanted to throw it. This appeared to create at least a subtle tension early in the season, which grew and became public as losses piled up.

DeFilippo’s reasoning for a pass-heavy approach made sense. Minnesota’s weak interior O-line struggles to get movement on the ground. Instead of ramming it inside, why not feature quicker throws underneath and to the perimeter, where star receivers Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs, and even tailback Dalvin Cook, thrive?

The problem is Zimmer’s desires also made sense. Last season the Vikings ran the ball 31.3 times a game, second-most in the league only to Jacksonville. They weren’t particularly good at running—with a middling O-line and unimaginative Latavius Murray they averaged 3.9 yards per attempt, 23rd in the league—but to a coach like Zimmer, that’s not necessarily the point. It’s about controlling the game’s flow.

Still, in today’s NFL, your running game is only as effective as the passing game you build off it. A complaint you could issue about DeFilippo is that not enough of the Vikings’ aerial concepts derived from their ground concepts, especially given how quarterback Kirk Cousins thrived with run-and-pass integration in Washington. DeFilippo’s counter-argument, if he could issue one unfiltered, would be something along the lines of, I’m one of football’s more innovative route combination designers, this team spent a ton of money on a starting quarterback and has two superstar receivers. Let’s feature THAT first and foremost.

Replacing DeFilippo is Kevin Stefanski, which is where this gets interesting. The 36-year-old quarterbacks coach had a chance to follow Pat Shurmur to New York and become the Giants’ offensive coordinator, but Zimmer wouldn’t let Stefanski out of his contract. Stefanski has never called plays, but he has worked with quarterbacks, tight ends and running backs under multiple Vikings coaching staffs. More importantly, it is believed by some around the NFL that Stefanski, not Shurmur, was behind many of the details of Minnesota’s passing game last year. That passing game saw more explosive plays from Diggs and Thielen than the Vikings have generated this season. Zimmer might love running the ball, but it’s still a refined passing game that will make Minnesota’s offense go. Stefanski is tasked with building one in a more balanced offense.

Link: www.si.com/nfl/2018/12/11/john-defilippo-firing-offensive-coordinator-mike-zimmer-minnesota-vikings

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Dec 14, 2018 22:26:09 GMT -6 Purple Pain said:

Why the Zimmer-DeFilippo Marriage Was Never Going to Work in Minnesota

It was just a bad marriage, and as is so often the case, it was no one’s fault, really. Mike Zimmer, a defensive-minded head coach, wanted to run the ball. His new offensive coordinator, John DeFilippo, a young and innovative aerial designer, wanted to throw it. This appeared to create at least a subtle tension early in the season, which grew and became public as losses piled up.

DeFilippo’s reasoning for a pass-heavy approach made sense. Minnesota’s weak interior O-line struggles to get movement on the ground. Instead of ramming it inside, why not feature quicker throws underneath and to the perimeter, where star receivers Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs, and even tailback Dalvin Cook, thrive?

The problem is Zimmer’s desires also made sense. Last season the Vikings ran the ball 31.3 times a game, second-most in the league only to Jacksonville. They weren’t particularly good at running—with a middling O-line and unimaginative Latavius Murray they averaged 3.9 yards per attempt, 23rd in the league—but to a coach like Zimmer, that’s not necessarily the point. It’s about controlling the game’s flow.

Still, in today’s NFL, your running game is only as effective as the passing game you build off it. A complaint you could issue about DeFilippo is that not enough of the Vikings’ aerial concepts derived from their ground concepts, especially given how quarterback Kirk Cousins thrived with run-and-pass integration in Washington. DeFilippo’s counter-argument, if he could issue one unfiltered, would be something along the lines of, I’m one of football’s more innovative route combination designers, this team spent a ton of money on a starting quarterback and has two superstar receivers. Let’s feature THAT first and foremost.

Replacing DeFilippo is Kevin Stefanski, which is where this gets interesting. The 36-year-old quarterbacks coach had a chance to follow Pat Shurmur to New York and become the Giants’ offensive coordinator, but Zimmer wouldn’t let Stefanski out of his contract. Stefanski has never called plays, but he has worked with quarterbacks, tight ends and running backs under multiple Vikings coaching staffs. More importantly, it is believed by some around the NFL that Stefanski, not Shurmur, was behind many of the details of Minnesota’s passing game last year. That passing game saw more explosive plays from Diggs and Thielen than the Vikings have generated this season. Zimmer might love running the ball, but it’s still a refined passing game that will make Minnesota’s offense go. Stefanski is tasked with building one in a more balanced offense.

Link: www.si.com/nfl/2018/12/11/john-defilippo-firing-offensive-coordinator-mike-zimmer-minnesota-vikings

Where is this "innovative" narrative coming from? I didn't see anything innovative about DeFillipo's aerial attack.

There has been no effort to move Diggs and Thielen and Rudolph and Cook around to put them in favorable matchups. No running out of passing formations and situations and no passing out of running formations. Very little up tempo during the flow of the game, only in two minute and hurry up scenarios.

Actually? No, I do get it! It is truly innovative to run screen passes with no chance of success! It is innovative to take a 65-70 catch TE, team him up with a QB with a history of utilizing TEs to their utmost-and then have him turn into a complete non-factor! Innovative and unexpected! It is innovative to line up your WR1, WR2 and TE in a full house formation before the snap, only to have them motion out to the exact position on the field you would expect! How many times did that lead to utter panic and confusion by the defense, resulting in busted coverages and huge plays? Oh yeah, that's right... none.

Face it, John DeFillipo's undeserved reputation for innovation comes from serving UNDER truly innovative thinkers like Doug Pederson and Frank Reich. Sure, DeFillipo may have been a fine QB Coach, Went made great strides under his tutelage and Foles had one of the greater two game postseason stretches ever. But DeFillipo's time in Cleveland was marked by offensive production in the bottom quartile of the league. The Vikings, for the last 5 games have been producing offensively in the bottom quartile of the league. Maybe this is a case of water finding its level? Maybe Cousins, Thielen and Diggs could hold this putrid, boring, uninspired, unimaginative sh*t-show together for so long... and, when the date on the expiration label passed, DeFillipo wasn't up to the task of figuring out anything that worked.

If their is a bright side to this, it appears that all the talk if DeFillipo being a star on the rise has stopped in its tracks. Unfortunately, it took him failing, near completely and utterly, here for that to happen. And, for that, Mike Zimmer and Kirk Cousins and Rick Spielman have to start making amends and do so quickly. Beginning tomorrow.

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Post by James on Dec 17, 2018 13:26:41 GMT -6

I think what it all boiled down to what his failure to adjust to the personnel he had to work with. The passing attack worked in the beginning because first it was early for teams to gameplan the strengths and weaknesses of our current unit. No one expected Thielen to start off as fast as he did. Regardless JDF got too complacent. When teams started to figure out how to slow us down, he didn't do anything to change up our philosophy on offense. He didn't try to find any weaknesses on defense, is only game plans were motioning our WRs back and forth and putting them in weird formations like that infamous full house set he had them in, thinking it would confuse defenses.

Not once did he put any effort to get anybody on offense going outside of Thielen. Cook is a game changer, he's been hurt for a long time so people forgot about that. The fact that JDF put no time in trying to get Cook warmed up, pissed me off. Last season our running game was a big reason why Keenum was successful. Keenum didn't do it all with his arm alone.

We start seeing the Kirk from Washington again because it seems like all the responsibility was put on Kirk and his arm. The reason he came here was because he WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO IT ALL. But no. Our previous OC did nothing to get our weapons not named Thielen or Diggs going. And it's crazy how we called all of those Play-Action plays when we barely run the ball? *wallbang*

JDF is definitely not ready to be play caller or a HC. I wouldn't rule him out being OC again but I were the HC, I would call the plays on offense not him. JDF doesn't know how to gameplan, adjust, or play good situational football. Player execution is indeed important but players not executing is not all on the players. As a coach you take full responsibility. If you can't get it fixed, you don't need to be coaching.

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Post by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 22, 2018 11:46:53 GMT -6

more fuel to the fire... got to wonder if Flip will get another shot.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/22/zimmer-privately-told-defilippo-to-run-the-ball-more-repeatedly/

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Post by Oracle Bone Diviner on Dec 22, 2018 13:32:00 GMT -6

Have to strenuously disagree with the first part, "But anyone who knows Zimmer knows that he didn’t and wouldn’t take a concern public if he hadn’t already raised the concern privately, on multiple occasions."

You don't need to know Zimmer to know he has repeatedly taken concerns about players public without there even being an opportunity to raise the concern privately "on multiple occasions." Besides, how does Mike Fiorio know what Zimmer raises in private if its private? Thats an illogical statement. When someone starts an article with a false premise, that doesn't give me confidence in the rest of what is written. He could have left that silly statement out completely.

Sorry, writers write what sells and lies sell better than truth and that irritates me.

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Post by Funkytown on Dec 22, 2018 13:33:16 GMT -6

Dec 22, 2018 11:46:53 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

more fuel to the fire... got to wonder if Flip will get another shot.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/22/zimmer-privately-told-defilippo-to-run-the-ball-more-repeatedly/

Explains why we saw Zimmer's frustration leak to the media.

*wave*

Bye Bye Flip Flop! You won't be missed!

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Post by PurpleKoolaid on May 26, 2019 2:41:32 GMT -6

Shouldnt Zim be criticized equally for letting a new OC call playing throws knowing the Oline sucked? If your boss told you to run the ball more, you would. Unless you were looking to get fired. Murray should have run the ball literally twice as much as he did. I am so tired of hearing the Flip excuse for the team sucking when so many things were wrong, including Flip, but not Flip alone. How a Gm can blow a billion on a QB whose only qualification was being an accurate thrower is beyond me. Maybe get him an Oline before signing his check.

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May 26, 2019 2:41:32 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Shouldnt Zim be criticized equally for letting a new OC call throwing plays knowing the Oline sucked? If your boss told you to run the ball more, you would. Unless you were looking to get fired. Murray should have run the ball literally twice as much as he did. I am so tired of hearing the Flip excuse for the team sucking when so many things were wrong, including Flip, but not Flip alone. How a Gm can blow a billion on a QB whose only qualification was being an accurate thrower is beyond me. Maybe get him an Oline before signing his check.

I only fault Zim for not firing Flip Flop sooner! Zim might not be the fastest learner, but he does learn from his mistakes and puts a genuine effort into trying to improve things. See: this offseason.

Out of curiosity, who did you want to sign last offseason at quarterback? What was your reasoning? Do you still feel that way now? Just trying to see where you're coming from.

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May 26, 2019 19:02:19 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

May 26, 2019 2:41:32 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Shouldnt Zim be criticized equally for letting a new OC call throwing plays knowing the Oline sucked? If your boss told you to run the ball more, you would. Unless you were looking to get fired. Murray should have run the ball literally twice as much as he did. I am so tired of hearing the Flip excuse for the team sucking when so many things were wrong, including Flip, but not Flip alone. How a Gm can blow a billion on a QB whose only qualification was being an accurate thrower is beyond me. Maybe get him an Oline before signing his check.

I only fault Zim for not firing Flip Flop sooner! Zim might not be the fastest learner, but he does learn from his mistakes and puts a genuine effort into trying to improve things. See: this offseason.

Out of curiosity, who did you want to sign last offseason at quarterback? What was your reasoning? Do you still feel that way now? Just trying to see where you're coming from.

I would have stuck with Case. The Vikings went out and got an unproven QB. And overpaid for him. A QB who could barely walk, let alone scramble, to avoid sacks and getting the ball stripped and turning the ball over. Cousins showed a lack of leadership in WAS. I wonder if MN looked very hard at him before signing him. He could only throw a ball well if the pocket was clean. He is utterly un-athletic. What QB couldnt play well if the Oline gave them 10 seconds to throw and he didnt have to avoid bodies coming after him?