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No more room for error or losses from here on out! NONE!!

I've usually been way less critical of MM at this juncture, but the Sunday after this he had better coach like his butt is on fire because this season is on the line now. Same goes for Rodgers who had better change his approach to zipping in more fast balls starting this next week or it's doodoo.

We have to win in Minny, or we are done!!! Oh yes, that is right, we lose this game and our season is D-O-N-E done!

If MM can't get this team out of this stupid slump, then I'm sorry but we need someone else who can.

Playoffs have started. Win or it's over.

Not much to say anymore, season's over. When MM goes, Pettine must stay. When MM goes, Aaron Rodgers needs to look himself in the mirror and objectively assess his play. Stop listening to the people telling you how great you are. I have had a prevailing hope when he has been on the field for a decade now. No longer. There is no way around it, he is a bad player right now. He has zero confidence in himself or in what is going on around him. I just hope he is not permanently broken.

Rodgers still has plenty of game left in him. The deep balls he completed to Tonyan and Adams prove this. The problem is he's doing too much of this and MM seems to be doing nothing to stop it. That's why there's been too many needless sacks and halted drives.

I don't play the one side over the other with Rodgers and MM. They both are 50/50 in this goofy offensive setup. Thing is when there isn't enough change from week to week in the game plan, the coach has to own it.

Rodgers has gotten his paycheck so he'll likely be going nowhere until he retires. MM on the other hand is going to have to quit playing around with his approach or ... Well I don't think Murphy or Gute are going to be patient enough to allow it to go on another year.

I am seeing nearly the exact same thing from fans when the Packers were 4-6 a couple of years ago. This year our record is "slightly" better and the NFC wildcard is WEAK. I know some people don't want to make the playoffs because they're afraid we will get blown out and there are some that want McCarthy to be let go and afraid if we slip into playoffs it won't happen. Agree or disagree with me but when the Packers are playing I want them to win and I want them in the postseason. With that being said for all my people who are hanging on...

Keep hanging on. EVERYONE from 7th seed and under have AT LEAST 5 losses. The north and one of the wildcard spots are currently the Bears and Vikings. Both still have to play each other TWICE and we still play both of them one more time. It is all right there in front of us to take... we just have to take it.

I believe. I believe based on history and I believe based on the talent this team has. I invite you to join me because it's going to be a fun ride. Spend this Sunday, Thanksgiving and Next Sunday rooting against NFC teams ahead of us and then cap it all off with rooting on the Pack to right the ship. This is a one game season and it's time to go to work.

Go Pack Go.

I've never quit pulling for my team to pull it out in any season before and I don't intend to now. But in the meantime, this fooling around by our current two leaders has got to stop and stop now.

I am just really befuddled by all these stack and bunch sets we keep running. Seems like they just cause the offense to trip over itself. Just for once let's stop this bang head on the wall approach to offense and get some damn flow going.

For the first time in my life I’m praying for a Minnesota win! I hope they smash us and put us out our misery. The sooner the season is over the sooner they can fire Homer Simpson.

Alright folks in spite of the...implosion that's happening before our very eyes, I think it's important that we look at things in it's proper perspective.

The playoffs are STILL plausible after this loss, but we're going to need a little bit of help in my estimation. Now looking back at our overall losses I can say with absolute certainty that while we lost we weren't beaten. Basically what this means is that the teams that won against us aren't head and shoulders better than us, talent perhaps, but considering these games we lost are typically are because of our boneheaded decisions I still believe the playoffs are attainable. But make no mistake, we HAVE to win out and we're gonna need a little bit of help.

Fortunately I still hold to my bold predictions in Chicago losing their next 5 games, and Minnesota losing at least 4. So with that being said if we play a COMPLETE game for ALL 4 quarters (it's funny in the beginning of the season we were considered a second half team, and now we're playing well in the first half but falling flat in the second half) we can make the playoffs.

It's difficult, but not impossible. Rodgers knows he messed up big time, bold prediction, we win double digits and expose these overrated Vikings.

Have to say I agree. No one in the nfc, aside from the Saints and Rams, look very good. (I’m not sold on Carolina or the Bears)

It’s right there for the taking. It SEEMS like we should be in a lot more trouble than we actually are... and then you look at the standings and realize things aren’t quite that bad in the standings at all.

Now, do we have to play better? Definitely. Is the talent there to do it? Definitely. Like Rodgers said in the postgame... need SOMETHING to happen to click. Once that happens, I’ll put them up against anyone in the league. For now, I’m going to sit back and root opposite of NFC in front of us and then see what we do next Sunday.

I'm under the impression that we are all supposed to be OK with the team being this lousy this year because of this rebuilding stuff.

I guess the D is back to being sorta decent but not decent enough to help the O win the games since the O isn't so great right now?

4th and 2. Man, you go for it on 4th and 2 that late in the game and right after their O steamrolled right over the D.

I've been under the impression that our season is done like 4 games ago.

So what if we win this one and then lose another? Would our season be over then?

This is an off year for the NFC as 10 of 16 teams in the NFC currently have .500 or have losing records. Only the Rams & Saints are putting any distance between themselves and the scrum for the remaining playoff spots. The Redskins & Bears are the the other two division leaders:eek:.

A win-out for the Packers (@vikings, Cardinals, Falcons, @bears, @jets, Lions) would still put them at 10-5-1 and I believe that would get into the playoffs. The only remaining games on the schedule with winning records are the Vikings and Bears. I don't know what to make of the Falcons but at home the Packers should have an edge. I personally think the Packers have one more loss as a minimum as it is unlikely they beat both the Vikings and Bears (both away games).

McCarthy may have already lost this team between some of the statements from players I have read and all the background noise on potential coaching changes the players are sure to be hearing. If that's the case then it may be rough remaining season.

MM's job is done no matter the outcome. as for the game...let's see how beat up min is coming out of the chi game.

If everybody we play from here on out would lose that would be the biggest help.

While I'm not usually one to rain on people's parades I had to step in here. The old "we lost but we didn't get beat" is getting a bit old. In our 4 wins you could probably say "we won but we didn't beat them"

Yes, the playoffs are still attainable but if you had to bet the farm on it would you?

If you would then great. I applaud your fandom but I think most of us are a bit more realistic. We agree that it is possible but it is not looking too probable right now.

Remember, for every Packer fan saying none of the other teams around us look very good right now there are fans of all the teams around us saying the same thing about the Packers and liking their teams chances because we are their main competition.

"We have a chance because everyone else is as bad as we are" isn't a very confidence instilling mantra.

looking back at the Bears, vikings, and 49ers games if those teams had played complete games we would have 3 more losses. When you have to count on 1 or 2 plays going differently to get your wins but 1 or 2 plays going differently will also cost you games the reality is you are probably closer to a 500 team than you care to admit and that is probably where we are. I guess if you want to ignore all the negatives and only focus on the positives then yeah we could be 8-2 and there is something to be said for having that outlook. In general I tend to be a positive thinking person but I can't be that type of person who says if we did this we have 4 more wins and ignore the fact that had we done that we would have 4 more losses. Its not a matter of being positive or negative it is a matter of being consistent.

I think we can beat any team in the league as well. Sadly, the way we are playing now I think it is entirely possible that pretty much any team in the league can beat us as well. If you want to play the "if we do this we can win" card (which I agree with by the way) then you have to be prepared to accept the "but if we don't then we are probably done" card. Again, its a matter of consistency.

Unfortunately, in following the games this year I may be seeing more of what leads me to expect "but if we don't" then "if we do"

Another way to look at it in a single game situation is when someone says "take away that play and we win the game" my response would be "OK, if you can take away one play I get to take away one play so I take away this play now we lose.

I appreciate your efforts to put things in place but I am afraid you may be trying to put us in a place where we don't belong. With the way this team has played this year we are right where we belong. Fighting our asses off to make the playoffs.

I think what's going on is fans even myself are just so sick and tired of holes getting dug by this team such as being 4-6 the last two years and now 4-5-1 this year. Now certainly losing Rodgers most the season last year is one thing, but that wasn't the case in 2016, nor is it the case this year.

We all know it's possible to go on another run the table round, but I think we're getting tired of seeing that same old movie play out. In this age of QB play in Title Town, expectations for 12 and 13 win seasons are going to be pushed hard whether or not anyone agrees with them.

Now I do put Ted Thompson at fault for some of this staleness with his dumb defense drafts. If I was GM, I would almost completely stop drafting defense and spend at least 95℅ of the capital on offensive weapons because that's how winning teams are built.

But at the same time, as a head coach MM is not coaching with a sense of urgency at all.

This is time for the Packers to turn the season around, or get ready to watch the playoffs from home this season. This is their last real chance to become real contenders, or pretenders. This season has been a monumental disappointment, and the team seems rudderless, with a lot of players expressing frustration, but nobody coming up with solutions. Everyone seems to be looking at the others, waiting for someone else to make "that play" that turns things around. Unfortunately, the plays that have turned things around have all helped the opponent win games the Packers (coulda/shoulda/woulda) possibly won. Good teams find ways to win. Bad teams find ways to lose. Can this team turn it around? Yes. Will they? We'll find out Sunday night.

This is a huge game for McCarthy's future. Even winning it may not be enough for him. This game will tell you a lot about the mindset of this team going forward, and Rodgers body language will be interesting to watch in this one.

Packers vs. Vikings:

Regular season, all-time: 59-52-3
All-time, Postseason: 1-1
All-time, in Minnesota 28-28
Coaches Head to Head: 4-4-1

As you can see their has been little give in this series in its history. Many of the games have been classic battles, some bringing great joy to Packers fans and others great heartbreak. What does this weeks game hold for each team?

I personally have witnessed some of these games in person and thought it might be interesting if some people may want to share some of their own best or worst memories of this series. Growing up in western Wisconsin as a Packers fan, in a period when the Vikings dominated the Packers year after year on the field, I learned my hate for them at an early age. From 1968-1979 the Packers only won 3 of 23 meetings with the Vikings, but freezing my butt off in Bloomington in December of 1972 is a day this Packers fan will never forget as GB defeated the Purple People Eaters 23-7.

I was not at these games, but who will ever forget Antonio Freeman's amazing catch in OT in 2000(?) or Favre cut the Vikings up on Christmas eve of 2004. Their has been a very long list of great moments. If you have your own, please share.

It is indeed a huge game for Mike McCarthy, his staff and the team. I think people spend way too much time over analyzing Aaron's body language, supposed messages between the lines - next people will be playing his interviews backwards and finding hidden messages.

Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, who has not been playing very well. He and the Green Bay Packers have certainly underachieved to this point in the season and have played themselves to a situation that their backs are against the wall. It is essentially playoff (do or die) football from here on out. The first game of the.i any hope for a playoff run starts on Sunday night. It sure would be great for the Pack to get their first win at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis.

Another road loss.

On primetime too? Whole country gets to see more of McCarthy's crappy coaching!

This would be a good time for Mac/Rodgers to prove to everyone that they can figure things out. If we win this game we are left with 3 fairly gimme home games, one road game with a bad team, and one road game against the Bears. Win next Sunday and you have to think we end up 9-6-1 at worst with 10-5-1 a big possibility. Lose and it's probably season over.

I don't see this ending well for the Packers. We're injured and a poorly coached team.

4-6-1 is what it looks like to me.

New GM last year, and coach on the hot seat this year. It feels more and more history is going to repeat itself, and Gute is going to find his new head coach this offseason. I haven't given up, but nothing about this season has felt consistent or like you could build on it. We have some talent, but it isn't producing results.