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Maybe I'm Crazy Oct 30, 2018 8:17:42 GMT -6 via mobile Funkytown likes this

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Oct 29, 2018 20:31:15 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

Oct 29, 2018 20:11:10 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

I keep seeing that the Vikings didn't address the offensive line.

Where did they prioritize the defense over the offense this offseason? What were the Vikings supposed to do at OL? I think it's well-documented that the NFL is severely lacking with OL talent, and yet, Vikings fans continue to suggest that the OL is never addressed. Should we have done more in the draft? Who was available via free agency that was worth grabbing and what current Vikings contract(s) are you willing to eliminate to make that free agency signing possible? We can't keep everyone ... and sign a ton of OL help.

Hernandez is the best rookie OL ranked on PFF and was available at 30. O'Niell was the first OL they've selected in the first 2 rounds since Kalil in 2012. It hasn't been a priority to fix (other than 1 season Band-Aids who aren't good) in a long time.

1 season Band-Aids? Hmm, makes the five year contracts signed by Reiff and Remmers strange. Drafting the consensus best center in Elflein last year (yeah, in the 3rd Round, name the last center drafted in the first), and O'Neill this year. That's 4/5 of a line. Add in the signing of Compton, the drafting of Isidora last year, trading for Jones this preseason...you really think they haven't tried to address it? That's a lot of moves aimed at improving the depth of the OL.

It seems some people won't be happy until we spend 5 straight first round picks on offensive linemen or shell out mega-bucks in free agency. But to who? We got Reiff and Remmers, you want to get Nate Solder too? How's that working out for the Giants? Two of the four highest draft choices the have had the last two years have been used to select linemen, and Elflein and O'Neill both look promising right now.

As to the original subject, of DeFillipo being head coach? Are you kidding? I have seen many, many posts on the gameday threads shaking their digital heads at DeFillipo's play calling and general management of the offense. The backwards passes, the constant WR screens, the apparent desire to throw the ball 95 times a game? No, just no, no a thousand times. Mike Zimmer isn't perfect, but this team is 43-28-1 in his tenure with two division championships-and believe it or not, they are still in the mix for a third. Exchange that for a retread OC who's first stint in Cleveland was hardly extraordinary and who, I am beginning to think, was not quite the catalyst to Philly's success as Frank Reich and Doug Pederson?

A Philly assistant who's role is completely overstated by his devotees brought in to be Head Coach of the Vikings? Yeah, because it worked so well the first time.

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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 8:27:48 GMT -6

It's silly to talk about NFL contract length because we know all too well players rarely see the end of it.

Reiff's contract has an out this year for $6.6 million in dead money. Remmers can be let go after this year and save the team $5.75 million in cap space with $1.8 million in dead cap. The "excitement" about those deals were because Reiff is a 2 year deal disguised as a 5 year contract, and Remmers is year to year.

Again, prior to the O'Niell pick, the Vikings haven't picked an OL in the first 2 rounds since Kalil in 2012. That's 6 whole years of not investing a high draft pick in the positon.

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Maybe I'm Crazy Oct 30, 2018 17:28:59 GMT -6

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Post by Minniman on Oct 30, 2018 17:28:59 GMT -6

Oct 30, 2018 8:27:48 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

It's silly to talk about NFL contract length because we know all too well players rarely see the end of it.

Reiff's contract has an out this year for $6.6 million in dead money. Remmers can be let go after this year and save the team $5.75 million in cap space with $1.8 million in dead cap. The "excitement" about those deals were because Reiff is a 2 year deal disguised as a 5 year contract, and Remmers is year to year.

Again, prior to the O'Niell pick, the Vikings haven't picked an OL in the first 2 rounds since Kalil in 2012. That's 6 whole years of not investing a high draft pick in the positon.

That is five player positions - no first round pick and a project in O'Neill.

Reiff's Achilles heal is the outside speed move, and it looks like Hill has the same problem.

So ... when do the Vikings linemen cut block the bastards and make them think twice about that move?

I don't know because the Vikings linemen use techniques they learned in middle school, and linemen don't cut block in middle school.

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Maybe I'm Crazy Oct 30, 2018 17:47:34 GMT -6

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Oct 30, 2018 8:17:42 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

Oct 29, 2018 20:31:15 GMT -6 @keeniac said:

Hernandez is the best rookie OL ranked on PFF and was available at 30. O'Niell was the first OL they've selected in the first 2 rounds since Kalil in 2012. It hasn't been a priority to fix (other than 1 season Band-Aids who aren't good) in a long time.

1 season Band-Aids? Hmm, makes the five year contracts signed by Reiff and Remmers strange. Drafting the consensus best center in Elflein last year (yeah, in the 3rd Round, name the last center drafted in the first), and O'Neill this year. That's 4/5 of a line. Add in the signing of Compton, the drafting of Isidora last year, trading for Jones this preseason...you really think they haven't tried to address it? That's a lot of moves aimed at improving the depth of the OL.

It seems some people won't be happy until we spend 5 straight first round picks on offensive linemen or shell out mega-bucks in free agency. But to who? We got Reiff and Remmers, you want to get Nate Solder too? How's that working out for the Giants? Two of the four highest draft choices the have had the last two years have been used to select linemen, and Elflein and O'Neill both look promising right now.

As to the original subject, of DeFillipo being head coach? Are you kidding? I have seen many, many posts on the gameday threads shaking their digital heads at DeFillipo's play calling and general management of the offense. The backwards passes, the constant WR screens, the apparent desire to throw the ball 95 times a game? No, just no, no a thousand times. Mike Zimmer isn't perfect, but this team is 43-28-1 in his tenure with two division championships-and believe it or not, they are still in the mix for a third. Exchange that for a retread OC who's first stint in Cleveland was hardly extraordinary and who, I am beginning to think, was not quite the catalyst to Philly's success as Frank Reich and Doug Pederson?

A Philly assistant who's role is completely overstated by his devotees brought in to be Head Coach of the Vikings? Yeah, because it worked so well the first time.

Agreed, I don't think the problems are as cut and dry as it would appear. Heading into free agency and signing Nate Solder (has been mediocre for the highest paid O-lineman in the league), Justin Pugh (mediocre and now injured), or Josh Sitton (I wanted him, but he's on the IR now) wouldn't have worked. I think they needed to spend a few higher draft picks like keenaic suggests... Will Hernandez should have been the 1st round pick. Right now IMO they have two NFL caliber starters (Reiff and Elflein) with one more potential starter (O'Neill). In summary, I don't think FA is the way they're going to fix the O-line, there just aren't a lot of success stories for FA O-linemen who sign big deals.

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Maybe I'm Crazy Oct 31, 2018 10:53:42 GMT -6

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Post by Purple Pain on Oct 31, 2018 10:53:42 GMT -6

When the Vikings hired John DeFilippo in February to be their offensive coordinator, the consensus seemed to be that he was a short-term hire with larger aspirations. He did get a couple of head coaching interviews this past offseason, but opted to move to the Vikings as the OC instead. The folks from BetOnline have released their preliminary odds, and it appears they have DeFilippo on the short list, too.

DeFilippo is currently third on the list of favorites for the Browns’ job, behind Los Angeles Rams quarterback coach Zac Taylor and University of Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley. (Rams’ head coach Sean McVay was on top of the list momentarily, but yeah. . .that guy isn’t going anywhere.) I don’t know why Riley would want to leave Oklahoma, but Taylor could be a distinct possibility. Of course, so could DeFilippo.

The Browns’ job does have some intrigue to it as well. After all, they just spent a #1 overall pick on quarterback Baker Mayfield. . .which I guess could explain the Lincoln Riley speculation, since he was Mayfield’s coach in his Heisman-winning season. . .and they appear to have a solid young running back in Nick Chubb. The Browns also have a lot of really solid defensive talent, and there are probably going to be worse jobs that come open over the course of the year.

Cleveland would also likely be looking for someone with a solid track record of quarterback development, given Mayfield’s presence. Considering the work he did with Carson Wentz and Nick Foles, and what he’s doing so far this year with Kirk Cousins, it’s pretty safe to say that DeFilippo has that sort of touch.

All in all, John DeFilippo could be a solid candidate for the Cleveland job, or for lots of other teams. It may seem a bit early to speculate, but with the way the news cycle works these days, speculate we shall.