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NFC North Discussion Jul 29, 2021 18:08:30 GMT -6 via mobile

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Jul 29, 2021 11:13:34 GMT -6 Drank said:

Jul 29, 2021 3:07:25 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Rodgers statistically dominates his game, more akin to Jordan, then Brady.

There's a reason most people dont call Brady the Jordan of football.

Child please lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎🏾 And then you wake up. Dominates my ass . You on some California Dreamin with that Take. Thanks for the laugh. This is his last year with y'all. History shows a guy with one foot out the door won't win it. Jordan never he will never compare 6 rings and 1. Plus stop saying Fraudgers leads in all categories for QBs career tds ? Yards? Rings? He not the Jordan of football someone lied to you when they told you that story. Jordan ran his era. Brady dominates he ran his era not Fraudgers. Hands down undebateable.

Rodgers in on pace to lead nearly every major statistical category for QBs, he just hasn't played enough years yet. He is on pace to have more TDs, yards, better rating and less INTs then any QB in history, he just hasn't caught long tenured guys like Brady in years starting yet.

Rodgers was the fastest to 300 TDs, 400 TDs, on pace to be the fastest to 500 TDs etc.

Rodgers is statistically the greatest QB the ever play. Him not having started as many years in the league as other guys yet doesn't change that.

Brady's numbers utterly pale in comparison to Rodgers. He's just started 7 more seasons lol.

Bradys TEAMS dominate. Rodgers as an individual player though is undeniably more dominate then Brady.

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Jul 29, 2021 12:39:26 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jul 29, 2021 5:14:57 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Jordan is who he is because of the championships. Brady would be the one and only comparison.

+1

In the end, it's all about the rings. Jordan and Brady have a pretty decent collection of 'em. Both players put their teams on their shoulders in big games to win championships. Aaron Rodgers isn't even in the conversation with guys like Tom Brady or Michael Jordan. Yes, AR has good stats and will be a Hall of Fame guy some day. Guys like Jordan and Brady are at another level than just being in the HoF. The "elite of the elite" - just refused to lose. Rodgers is a gifted QB but not on that level. That's laughable.

AR has the best stats ever, not merely good.

Your saying Brady is better even though he plays undeniably inferior, because his teams were better and made up for his inferior play. That's silly.

Individual players are judged by their individual play, not by how well their team makes up for them. Brady has more rings then Rodgers because his defenses are perennial top 5-10.

If Rodgers was on Bradys teams, he would have even more rings. We know this because his individual production blows Bradys out of the water. Are you really saying that Rodgers far superior statistical output would hurt the Cheatriots dynasty teams? That's silly.

Noone on Earth would say Bradshaw was better than Marino just because his teams were way better lol. That Rodgers statistical output mops the floor with Brady even with significantly inferior teams around him proves my point even further.

We judge players by their individual play, not by how much their team makes up for around them. Rodgers/Mahomes would both have more rings then Brady if given his supporting casts, and we know this because even with inferior supporting casts they still statistically outproduce him by a wide mile.

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NFC North Discussion Jul 29, 2021 20:29:51 GMT -6 Funkytown, Danchat, and 1 more like this

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Post by JABF on Jul 29, 2021 20:29:51 GMT -6

Jul 29, 2021 18:15:14 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Jul 29, 2021 12:39:26 GMT -6 JABF said:

+1

In the end, it's all about the rings. Jordan and Brady have a pretty decent collection of 'em. Both players put their teams on their shoulders in big games to win championships. Aaron Rodgers isn't even in the conversation with guys like Tom Brady or Michael Jordan. Yes, AR has good stats and will be a Hall of Fame guy some day. Guys like Jordan and Brady are at another level than just being in the HoF. The "elite of the elite" - just refused to lose. Rodgers is a gifted QB but not on that level. That's laughable.

AR has the best stats ever, not merely good.

Your saying Brady is better even though he plays undeniably inferior, because his teams were better and made up for his inferior play. That's silly.

Individual players are judged by their individual play, not by how well their team makes up for them. Brady has more rings then Rodgers because his defenses are perennial top 5-10.

If Rodgers was on Bradys teams, he would have even more rings. We know this because his individual production blows Bradys out of the water. Are you really saying that Rodgers far superior statistical output would hurt the Cheatriots dynasty teams? That's silly.

Noone on Earth would say Bradshaw was better than Marino just because his teams were way better lol. That Rodgers statistical output mops the floor with Brady even with significantly inferior teams around him proves my point even further.

We judge players by their individual play, not by how much their team makes up for around them. Rodgers/Mahomes would both have more rings then Brady if given his supporting casts, and we know this because even with inferior supporting casts they still statistically outproduce him by a wide mile.

I see your point but don't agree. And that's fine. To me, Michael Jordan and Tom Brady have brought home the hardware time and again. Rodgers? Not so much. No question he's an incredible QB. A head case too, but a talented one. But it's not just about stats, it's about being a champion. Putting a team on your shoulders and refusing to lose until you bring home the hardware. This is what I will always remember about Jordan and Brady. I've never witnessed athletes more driven to win than those two. When Rodgers wins 6 more Super Bowls then come and make your case. Until then, yes, he's a talented future HoF player and a great stat guy. Good for him. But he's just a wannabee compared to Jordan and Brady. Blame it on his team talent sucking, or coaching, bad karma or the planets not being aligned - what ever - but he's not at the level of those two. We can agree to disagree on this.

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NFC North Discussion Jul 29, 2021 23:12:13 GMT -6 via mobile

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Jul 29, 2021 20:29:51 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jul 29, 2021 18:15:14 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

AR has the best stats ever, not merely good.

Your saying Brady is better even though he plays undeniably inferior, because his teams were better and made up for his inferior play. That's silly.

Individual players are judged by their individual play, not by how well their team makes up for them. Brady has more rings then Rodgers because his defenses are perennial top 5-10.

If Rodgers was on Bradys teams, he would have even more rings. We know this because his individual production blows Bradys out of the water. Are you really saying that Rodgers far superior statistical output would hurt the Cheatriots dynasty teams? That's silly.

Noone on Earth would say Bradshaw was better than Marino just because his teams were way better lol. That Rodgers statistical output mops the floor with Brady even with significantly inferior teams around him proves my point even further.

We judge players by their individual play, not by how much their team makes up for around them. Rodgers/Mahomes would both have more rings then Brady if given his supporting casts, and we know this because even with inferior supporting casts they still statistically outproduce him by a wide mile.

I see your point but don't agree. And that's fine. To me, Michael Jordan and Tom Brady have brought home the hardware time and again. Rodgers? Not so much. No question he's an incredible QB. A head case too, but a talented one. But it's not just about stats, it's about being a champion. Putting a team on your shoulders and refusing to lose until you bring home the hardware. This is what I will always remember about Jordan and Brady. I've never witnessed athletes more driven to win than those two. When Rodgers wins 6 more Super Bowls then come and make your case. Until then, yes, he's a talented future HoF player and a great stat guy. Good for him. But he's just a wannabee compared to Jordan and Brady. Blame it on his team talent sucking, or coaching, bad karma or the planets not being aligned - what ever - but he's not at the level of those two. We can agree to disagree on this.

But they aren't putting their team on their shoulders to bring home the hardware. That's the whole point. Their bringing home the hardware because their team is better, and making up for their inferior play.

I know for a fact you would not be consistant with your idea that even if you play worse then another player, your better as long as your team is better then theirs.

Having an better drive to win isnt the same as your team being significantly better at driving you and your inferior play to a win lol.

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Jul 29, 2021 23:12:13 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Jul 29, 2021 20:29:51 GMT -6 JABF said:

I see your point but don't agree. And that's fine. To me, Michael Jordan and Tom Brady have brought home the hardware time and again. Rodgers? Not so much. No question he's an incredible QB. A head case too, but a talented one. But it's not just about stats, it's about being a champion. Putting a team on your shoulders and refusing to lose until you bring home the hardware. This is what I will always remember about Jordan and Brady. I've never witnessed athletes more driven to win than those two. When Rodgers wins 6 more Super Bowls then come and make your case. Until then, yes, he's a talented future HoF player and a great stat guy. Good for him. But he's just a wannabee compared to Jordan and Brady. Blame it on his team talent sucking, or coaching, bad karma or the planets not being aligned - what ever - but he's not at the level of those two. We can agree to disagree on this.

But they aren't putting their team on their shoulders to bring home the hardware. That's the whole point. Their bringing home the hardware because their team is better, and making up for their inferior play.

I know for a fact you would not be consistant with your idea that even if you play worse then another player, your better as long as your team is better then theirs.

Having an better drive to win isnt the same as your team being significantly better at driving you and your inferior play to a win lol.

Jordan inferior play say what? 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is a joke right? I will leave it at that. There is literally nothing else to say with a comment so ludicrous. Not even worth a debate waste of time.

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NFC North Discussion Jul 30, 2021 2:02:25 GMT -6 via mobile

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Jul 30, 2021 1:07:52 GMT -6 Drank said:

Jul 29, 2021 23:12:13 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

But they aren't putting their team on their shoulders to bring home the hardware. That's the whole point. Their bringing home the hardware because their team is better, and making up for their inferior play.

I know for a fact you would not be consistant with your idea that even if you play worse then another player, your better as long as your team is better then theirs.

Having an better drive to win isnt the same as your team being significantly better at driving you and your inferior play to a win lol.

Jordan inferior play say what? 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is a joke right? I will leave it at that. There is literally nothing else to say with a comment so ludicrous. Not even worth a debate waste of time.

I wasn't referring to Jordan when I said that.

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Jul 30, 2021 2:02:25 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Jul 30, 2021 1:07:52 GMT -6 Drank said:

Jordan inferior play say what? 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is a joke right? I will leave it at that. There is literally nothing else to say with a comment so ludicrous. Not even worth a debate waste of time.

I wasn't referring to Jordan when I said that.

Oh my bad then, I must of misunderstood you. I can see where you coming from on covering up for Brady to a extent.

Jordan though, he is The Godfather of basketball, nothing but the GOAT. That's the only reason I was like what lol. Jordan another stratosphere of greatness.

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Jul 29, 2021 23:12:13 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Jul 29, 2021 20:29:51 GMT -6 JABF said:

I see your point but don't agree. And that's fine. To me, Michael Jordan and Tom Brady have brought home the hardware time and again. Rodgers? Not so much. No question he's an incredible QB. A head case too, but a talented one. But it's not just about stats, it's about being a champion. Putting a team on your shoulders and refusing to lose until you bring home the hardware. This is what I will always remember about Jordan and Brady. I've never witnessed athletes more driven to win than those two. When Rodgers wins 6 more Super Bowls then come and make your case. Until then, yes, he's a talented future HoF player and a great stat guy. Good for him. But he's just a wannabee compared to Jordan and Brady. Blame it on his team talent sucking, or coaching, bad karma or the planets not being aligned - what ever - but he's not at the level of those two. We can agree to disagree on this.

But they aren't putting their team on their shoulders to bring home the hardware. That's the whole point. Their bringing home the hardware because their team is better, and making up for their inferior play.

I know for a fact you would not be consistant with your idea that even if you play worse then another player, your better as long as your team is better then theirs.

Having an better drive to win isnt the same as your team being significantly better at driving you and your inferior play to a win lol.

Let's just say this. Every QB that has multiple SB rings or Championships before the SB all have one thing in common. Good defenses to back them up over the years. Now, does the QB play into that ability of the defense to do better? I believe it helps. But its a two way street. Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Brady. All had top defenses.

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Aug 2, 2021 22:11:06 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Jul 29, 2021 23:12:13 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

But they aren't putting their team on their shoulders to bring home the hardware. That's the whole point. Their bringing home the hardware because their team is better, and making up for their inferior play.

I know for a fact you would not be consistant with your idea that even if you play worse then another player, your better as long as your team is better then theirs.

Having an better drive to win isnt the same as your team being significantly better at driving you and your inferior play to a win lol.

Let's just say this. Every QB that has multiple SB rings or Championships before the SB all have one thing in common. Good defenses to back them up over the years. Now, does the QB play into that ability of the defense to do better? I believe it helps. But its a two way street. Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Brady. All had top defenses.

Absolutely. It isn't complicated stuff.

If Brady were better then Rodgers his stats would reflect it, especially considering his much better supporting casts.

That his D makes up for his inferior play compared to Rodgers is completely irrelevant to the measure of him as a player.

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Aug 2, 2021 23:09:56 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Aug 2, 2021 22:11:06 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Let's just say this. Every QB that has multiple SB rings or Championships before the SB all have one thing in common. Good defenses to back them up over the years. Now, does the QB play into that ability of the defense to do better? I believe it helps. But its a two way street. Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Brady. All had top defenses.

Absolutely. It isn't complicated stuff.

If Brady were better then Rodgers his stats would reflect it, especially considering his much better supporting casts.

That his D makes up for his inferior play compared to Rodgers is completely irrelevant to the measure of him as a player.

Shouldn't he have beaten Brady at home for the NFCC then? Sure Brady did have the better defense but in those games nobody's been in and won more then Brady. At that point all the great stats mean squat. Nobody cares about your MVP regular season. In these games winners win whiners whine.

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Aug 3, 2021 10:35:55 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Aug 2, 2021 23:09:56 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Absolutely. It isn't complicated stuff.

If Brady were better then Rodgers his stats would reflect it, especially considering his much better supporting casts.

That his D makes up for his inferior play compared to Rodgers is completely irrelevant to the measure of him as a player.

Shouldn't he have beaten Brady at home for the NFCC then? Sure Brady did have the better defense but in those games nobody's been in and won more then Brady. At that point all the great stats mean squat. Nobody cares about your MVP regular season. In these games winners win whiners whine.

+1

Brady comes up big in big games too. It is breathtaking to have watched him on the big stage in the biggest games. The guy has been the MVP of 5 Super Bowls. I've been an NFL fan for over 60 years - since before there even was a Super Bowl in the NFL. I've never seen the equal of Tom Brady as a winner. Rodgers has played on good teams too. Rodgers has a better arm for sure than Brady. But Aaron Rodgers is just not on the same level as a Michael Jordan or Tom Brady. But yes he has great stats. He is a great QB too. But watching these two their entire career, Brady > Rodgers. It isn't even a contest.

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Aug 3, 2021 10:35:55 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Aug 2, 2021 23:09:56 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Absolutely. It isn't complicated stuff.

If Brady were better then Rodgers his stats would reflect it, especially considering his much better supporting casts.

That his D makes up for his inferior play compared to Rodgers is completely irrelevant to the measure of him as a player.

Shouldn't he have beaten Brady at home for the NFCC then? Sure Brady did have the better defense but in those games nobody's been in and won more then Brady. At that point all the great stats mean squat. Nobody cares about your MVP regular season. In these games winners win whiners whine.

He outplayed Brady by a mile, Brady won because his superior D made up for his inferior QB play. Rodgers would have won if his D was as good. Did you watch the game? Rodgers had a pretty good game, Brady played like embarrassing dog sh*t but his league best D bailed outhit garbage play.

Yes. Brady has won more then anyone else.... because he has phenomenal supporting casts and D's. Rodgers would have won more if given the same.

No. On field production is the individual measure of a player, championships are a measure of a team. Being on the best team doesn't make you the best player.

It's like your ignoring my whole point entirely lol. My entire point is that Brady wins only wins more because of his superior teams, so pointing out that he wins more is not furthering your argument that he is better.

I know he wins more, because his TEAMS make up for him being an inferior player. Are you really saying that Bradys 3 INT game helped his team more then Rodgers pretty good NFCCG showing? Of course not, his D just made up for it.

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Aug 3, 2021 14:00:05 GMT -6 JABF said:

Aug 3, 2021 10:35:55 GMT -6 suncoastvike said:

Shouldn't he have beaten Brady at home for the NFCC then? Sure Brady did have the better defense but in those games nobody's been in and won more then Brady. At that point all the great stats mean squat. Nobody cares about your MVP regular season. In these games winners win whiners whine.

+1

Brady comes up big in big games too. It is breathtaking to have watched him on the big stage in the biggest games. The guy has been the MVP of 5 Super Bowls. I've been an NFL fan for over 60 years - since before there even was a Super Bowl in the NFL. I've never seen the equal of Tom Brady as a winner. Rodgers has played on good teams too. Rodgers has a better arm for sure than Brady. But Aaron Rodgers is just not on the same level as a Michael Jordan or Tom Brady. But yes he has great stats. He is a great QB too. But watching these two their entire career, Brady > Rodgers. It isn't even a contest.

.....Aaaand too bad the actual on field production says you are wrong lol.

Rodgers significantly outproduces Brady, meaning, we know that if he had Brady's supporting casts he would have even more rings then Brady.

Brady's has more rings because his teams make up for his inferior play, therefore to appeal to his rings as reason to why he is better, is essentially a concession of this point. If those additional rings were due to his actual on field production, the numbers would head to out. They dont.

Rodgers postseason numbers are better then Brady's, so obviously Brady is a lesser player in big game. Once again, real slowly, his team making up for his inferior play doesn't change the fact that his on field production is significantly lesser lol.

Your right, it isnt a contest. Rodgers is far and away better, more productive player, and Brady only has more rings due to significantly better D's. Pointing to his additional rings does nothing to refute this, so I'm afraid until you can actual provide an argument, beyond repeatedly appealing to his additional rings (which have already been established to be on account of his significantly better D's, and not his own on field production), then you have conceded the entire discussion without actually making a counterpoint.

Bradshaw isnt better then Marino fellas. Rodgers worst seasons are better then over half of Brady's career seasons.

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I point out over and over that Brady has more rings because his D's are significantly better, and that Rodgers on field production on Bradys teams would obviously result in even more rings, and the only response to this point that I can ever get is;

*blinks twice* ".....But he is better because he has more rings!" Lol XD

Can someone actually address the point I'm making? Rather then just repeating the very idea (that additional rings = the better player) that I'm thoroughly debunking over and over?

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Aug 4, 2021 0:09:20 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

I point out over and over that Brady has more rings because his D's are significantly better, and that Rodgers on field production on Bradys teams would obviously result in even more rings, and the only response to this point that I can ever get is;

*blinks twice* ".....But he is better because he has more rings!" Lol XD

Can someone actually address the point I'm making? Rather then just repeating the very idea (that additional rings = the better player) that I'm thoroughly debunking over and over?

Yeah, good luck with that.

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