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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 3:47:14 GMT -6 via mobile glenwo2 likes this

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Post by slapnut19 on Oct 30, 2024 3:47:14 GMT -6

Oct 29, 2024 18:58:04 GMT -6 Uncle said:

Oct 29, 2024 18:38:00 GMT -6 sdvikesfan said:

Again assuming Robinson is healthy and plays well, Viking 4th round picks since 2020 = Khyree Jackson (RIP), Jay Ward, Akalyeb Evans, Kene Nwangwu, Cam Bynum, Janarius Robinson, DJ Wonnum, James Lynch, and Troy Dye.

That is the level of player we are giving up.

...and while most of those have been "misses" outside of Bynum and maybe Wonnum (depending on your expectation of a 4th Rd pick), if you "hit" on a 4th Rd pick, here's what you also might have missed out on: Ray Edwards, Brian Robison and Everson Griffin...

...and while Rick and Kwesi haven't had great success overall with 4th Rd picks, if Kwesi and the Scouting Dept actually did "hit" on 4th Rd picks, here are some recent one's that are "hits" for other teams:

TE Jake Ferguson, DAL
TE Isaiah Likely, BAL
RB Isaac Guerrendo SF (just broke out this past Sunday Night vs Dallas)
RB Chuba Hubbard, CAR
WR Amon-Ra St Brown, DET
CB Cobie Durant, LAR
CB Clark Phillips III, ATL
IOL Zach Tom, GB
IOL Drew Dolman, ATL

If you actually scout and draft well, it's very possible to add a quality player on Day 3 and that possibility is what's being given up for a 1/2 season rental to stay in the hunt for 2nd place in the NFC North and get to the Playoffs...

#1 this season matters and so does trying to make the playoffs #2 this doesn't wreck the ability to add players in the 2026 draft

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 6:56:53 GMT -6 Funkytown, diehardtwinsfan, and 2 more like this

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Post by mngopher35 on Oct 30, 2024 6:56:53 GMT -6

I'm not a fan of continuing to make short term moves while spending future picks in the process. Whether that is on Kwesi or ownership, I think the full picture is far more of an issue than this individual move though. I get why they did it even if I continue to disagree with how we have handled things with Kwesi in charge.

The price for a half season rental at a key position being a 4th with a 7th back isn't bad. It might seem a bit much but that is because you don't often see capable tackles hit the market. This should help us compete for the playoffs which is their main goal right now.

I am glad it didn't take any 2025 capital at least...

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 8:10:33 GMT -6 Funkytown, Josey Wales, and 1 more like this

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Post by diehardtwinsfan on Oct 30, 2024 8:10:33 GMT -6

It's a pretty inexpensive move. I certainly can't argue with KAM for finding value, but...

This trading down draft capital is becoming a thing I'm less and less thrilled with. Granted it's a 4th or 5th in 2026, but there are much bigger problems on this team. I am sure KOC was pounding the table for this move, but the org continues to throw good money after bad. KOC needs to be the one doing a better job. I'm not sure this acquisition makes him a better coach. If anything, it enables him to keep doing the same thing he's been doing. I would add, this pretty much eats up our remaining cap, so the dead money on Gilmore suddenly starts to matter.

We aren't going to get back to our winning ways giving more protection to Sam to keep chucking it 30 yards down field every other play.

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 8:40:02 GMT -6 glenwo2 likes this

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Post by diehardtwinsfan on Oct 30, 2024 8:40:02 GMT -6

Oct 30, 2024 8:37:30 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

Dumb. They aren't going anywhere. KAM must be on the hotseat if he's doing this.

I guess the question is who is driving this. I have a tough time believing that KOC isn't the one pounding his fists for an LT. I can understand why given our start, but I don't think this speaks to anyone being on the hot seat. This was supposed to be a transition year, and both KAM and KOC's future are tied to one JJM.

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 8:41:32 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by ratsalad on Oct 30, 2024 8:41:32 GMT -6

Oct 29, 2024 18:38:00 GMT -6 sdvikesfan said:

Again assuming Robinson is healthy and plays well, Viking 4th round picks since 2020 = Khyree Jackson (RIP), Jay Ward, Akalyeb Evans, Kene Nwangwu, Cam Bynum, Janarius Robinson, DJ Wonnum, James Lynch, and Troy Dye.

That is the level of player we are giving up.

That's the level of player the Vikings gave up. 4th round pick is still near top 100 pick if drafting high

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 8:42:25 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by ratsalad on Oct 30, 2024 8:42:25 GMT -6

Oct 30, 2024 8:40:02 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

Oct 30, 2024 8:37:30 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

Dumb. They aren't going anywhere. KAM must be on the hotseat if he's doing this.

I guess the question is who is driving this. I have a tough time believing that KOC isn't the one pounding his fists for an LT. I can understand why given our start, but I don't think this speaks to anyone being on the hot seat. This was supposed to be a transition year, and both KAM and KOC's future are tied to one JJM.

I'm just pissed. They already traded away half of 2025. On to giving up 2026 too now. This team doesn't know the meaning of the word pragmatic

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 8:53:55 GMT -6 Funkytown and ratsalad like this

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Post by diehardtwinsfan on Oct 30, 2024 8:53:55 GMT -6

Oct 30, 2024 8:42:25 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

Oct 30, 2024 8:40:02 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

I guess the question is who is driving this. I have a tough time believing that KOC isn't the one pounding his fists for an LT. I can understand why given our start, but I don't think this speaks to anyone being on the hot seat. This was supposed to be a transition year, and both KAM and KOC's future are tied to one JJM.

I'm just pissed. They already traded away half of 2025. On to giving up 2026 too now. This team doesn't know the meaning of the word pragmatic

Yeah, this is hitting red flag territory for me as well, so I definitely understand the frustration. I didn't mind the Hock trade, and I can understand why things were done this offseason, but I said a few months ago that I'd pretty worried if the pattern persisted.

Surplus value wins Super Bowls. JJM panning out is not the only cheap contract this team is going to need to have in order to win the big one. He might have the most surplus value if he actually preforms on the field, but you will never get those cheap contracts when you don't have picks and manage to score on UDFAs.

diehardtwinsfan Moderator Posts: 11,798 Likes: 7,379	Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 8:55:12 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by diehardtwinsfan on Oct 30, 2024 8:55:12 GMT -6 by the way, are we getting a 7th in 2026 that goes away with playing time or giving one up? I've seen both reported.

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 9:09:13 GMT -6 Funkytown, diehardtwinsfan, and 2 more like this

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Post by Uncle on Oct 30, 2024 9:09:13 GMT -6

Oct 30, 2024 8:55:12 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

by the way, are we getting a 7th in 2026 that goes away with playing time or giving one up? I've seen both reported.

From the reporting I've seen, based on playing time, the 5th in 2026 we gave Jax will become a 4th and then we'll get 2026 7th back from them. So we gave up a "hard" 5th that could turn into a 4th, and if it does, we get a 7th back. If the playing time conditions of the 4th are not met, we just give up the 5th and don't get the 7th back.

The playing time details will eventually come out, but I'm going to guess it's somewhere around 75% of the team's offensive Regular Season snaps, which means that Cam needs to average 45 snaps a game for the next 10 games to meet that requirement (Darrisaw was averaging approx 60 snaps/game for the first 6 games, so 60 * 0.75 = 45).

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 10:16:27 GMT -6 via mobile glenwo2 likes this

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Post by slapnut19 on Oct 30, 2024 10:16:27 GMT -6

Oct 30, 2024 8:42:25 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

Oct 30, 2024 8:40:02 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

I guess the question is who is driving this. I have a tough time believing that KOC isn't the one pounding his fists for an LT. I can understand why given our start, but I don't think this speaks to anyone being on the hot seat. This was supposed to be a transition year, and both KAM and KOC's future are tied to one JJM.

I'm just pissed. They already traded away half of 2025. On to giving up 2026 too now. This team doesn't know the meaning of the word pragmatic

I think they valued having a decent starting tackle for the rest of 2024

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 10:21:19 GMT -6 via mobile ratsalad likes this

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Post by Drank on Oct 30, 2024 10:21:19 GMT -6

Oct 30, 2024 9:15:37 GMT -6 stout93 said:

It's Chris Herndon redux...

I understand the move but I do see it both ways.

A 4 would be pretty steep for 10 games if we somehow still don’t make the playoffs .

Remember the intent don’t matter just the results. If it doesn’t get us in yet becomes a 4 it’s short sided. If we get in it was a season savior and we avoid rewriting history.

So I like it from a standpoint of avoiding terrible history maybe, but it’s a Herndon deal if we don’t. A 4 is nothing to sneeze at if lost for nothing

Being a rental should have kept it out the 4th round range totally but aye we will see how it goes.

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Vikings trade for Cam Robinson Oct 30, 2024 10:35:28 GMT -6 via mobile glenwo2 likes this

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Post by Funkytown on Oct 30, 2024 10:35:28 GMT -6

Oct 29, 2024 21:55:33 GMT -6 glenwo2 said:

BTW, Danchat , I read that Cam has had a concussion in the past and also got in trouble with the NFL with PEDs or something.

But I don't care about any of that.

All I care is that he's here for the remaining 10 games to help keep our QB from getting destroyed.

Hopefully he can keep it up and stay healthy!