How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year?

ratsalad Franchise Player Posts: 3,069 Likes: 1,529	How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 24, 2024 10:18:29 GMT -6 via mobile glenwo2 likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ratsalad on Aug 24, 2024 10:18:29 GMT -6 We will see. If Darnold can't do it here he can't do it anywhere.

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 24, 2024 11:52:40 GMT -6 via mobile comet52 and ratsalad like this

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Post by PurpleFloyd on Aug 24, 2024 11:52:40 GMT -6

Aug 24, 2024 9:23:55 GMT -6 glenwo2 said:

Seems some people will be absolutely gleeful to see Sam fail apparently.... meh.

Absolutely wrong. Fans want the team to succeed and those who are objective and know his history understand that he is almost certainly an impediment to that success. Nobody is “hoping” he fails. It’s just that they understand the minute chance that he will be successful and they aren’t happy the team put themselves in this position. And once he fails they won’t be celebrating his failure but rather acknowledging that they were right all along.

On the slim chance that he does succeed and takes the team well into the playoffs I will certainly be happy to be wrong and admit that I was. Opinions are still not illegal in this country whether you agree with them or not.

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 24, 2024 12:04:49 GMT -6 via mobile glenwo2 likes this

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Post by slapnut19 on Aug 24, 2024 12:04:49 GMT -6

Aug 24, 2024 11:52:40 GMT -6 PurpleFloyd said:

Aug 24, 2024 9:23:55 GMT -6 glenwo2 said:

Seems some people will be absolutely gleeful to see Sam fail apparently.... meh.

Absolutely wrong. Fans want the team to succeed and those who are objective and know his history understand that he is almost certainly an impediment to that success. Nobody is “hoping” he fails. It’s just that they understand the minute chance that he will be successful and they aren’t happy the team put themselves in this position. And once he fails they won’t be celebrating his failure but rather acknowledging that they were right all along.

On the slim chance that he does succeed and takes the team well into the playoffs I will certainly be happy to be wrong and admit that I was. Opinions are still not illegal in this country whether you agree with them or not.

if you understand his history then you should understand it's not a "minute" chance that he could have some success here. He's had stretches of good play in his career and he's in a good spot here

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 24, 2024 12:07:39 GMT -6

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Post by glenwo2 on Aug 24, 2024 12:07:39 GMT -6

Aug 24, 2024 12:04:49 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Aug 24, 2024 11:52:40 GMT -6 PurpleFloyd said:

Absolutely wrong. Fans want the team to succeed and those who are objective and know his history understand that he is almost certainly an impediment to that success. Nobody is “hoping” he fails. It’s just that they understand the minute chance that he will be successful and they aren’t happy the team put themselves in this position. And once he fails they won’t be celebrating his failure but rather acknowledging that they were right all along.

On the slim chance that he does succeed and takes the team well into the playoffs I will certainly be happy to be wrong and admit that I was. Opinions are still not illegal in this country whether you agree with them or not.

if you understand his history then you should understand it's not a "minute" chance that he could have some success here. He's had stretches of good play in his career and he's in a good spot here

^^^ FACTS.

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 24, 2024 12:38:54 GMT -6

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Post by glenwo2 on Aug 24, 2024 12:38:54 GMT -6

Aug 24, 2024 10:18:29 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

We will see. If Darnold can't do it here he can't do it anywhere.

Now you're talking some sense 'cause in that we are in full agreement.

He fails here, he's a backup FOR LIFE.

He does well, he's got a new lease on life as a Starting QB elsewhere.

Pretty cut and dry.

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Post by Danchat on Aug 24, 2024 15:56:19 GMT -6

Aug 24, 2024 12:38:54 GMT -6 glenwo2 said:

Aug 24, 2024 10:18:29 GMT -6 ratsalad said:

We will see. If Darnold can't do it here he can't do it anywhere.

Now you're talking some sense 'cause in that we are in full agreement.

He fails here, he's a backup FOR LIFE.

He does well, he's got a new lease on life as a Starting QB elsewhere.

Pretty cut and dry.

Or he does just enough to find himself as a bridge QB again in 2025. Shades of Tyrod Taylor.

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 24, 2024 15:59:03 GMT -6

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Post by glenwo2 on Aug 24, 2024 15:59:03 GMT -6

Aug 24, 2024 15:56:19 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Aug 24, 2024 12:38:54 GMT -6 glenwo2 said:

Now you're talking some sense 'cause in that we are in full agreement.

He fails here, he's a backup FOR LIFE.

He does well, he's got a new lease on life as a Starting QB elsewhere.

Pretty cut and dry.

Or he does just enough to find himself as a bridge QB again in 2025. Shades of Tyrod Taylor.

Never considered that scenario.

Yeah...I don't think that would be a "win" for him there. Only getting him yet another chance in a similar situation on a different team (but one not as talented as this one).

He better make the most of this oppty. lol

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 26, 2024 7:49:58 GMT -6 via mobile ratsalad likes this

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Post by Funkytown on Aug 26, 2024 7:49:58 GMT -6

One season with Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco gave Darnold a slight boost with some voters. He commanded 12 votes in Tier 3, twice as many as in 2022, his most recent Tiers appearance.

“He played before he was ready in New York, and then Carolina was a rough deal,” a head coach said. “He got himself back on course with the 49ers. That was healthy for him.”

The competition between Darnold and J.J. McCarthy ended abruptly in the preseason after McCarthy’s season-ending knee injury.

“I don’t want to be one of those guys who holds onto his draft grade, but I would not be surprised if he holds off J.J. McCarthy for a while,” the head coach said before McCarthy’s injury. “(Darnold) has the ability to play to a 2.”

All would agree that the infrastructure in Minnesota is better for Darnold than the situations with the Jets and Panthers were for him.

“Sometimes I think he’s a 3 in the right situation,” an exec said. “It would not surprise me if he has a decent year with Kevin (O’Connell). I’m teetering between 3 and 5. I’ll go out on a limb and say he’s a 3 this year.”

Darnold got as many votes in Tier 5 as he got in Tier 3, so it’s a stretch to say these optimistic takes were representative of the group. He has never started more than 13 games in a season.

“He has been with multiple teams, and we are still waiting for the guy,” a defensive coordinator said. “He’s just jittery, man.”

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 26, 2024 11:22:20 GMT -6 Danchat, kmillard, and 1 more like this

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Post by comet52 on Aug 26, 2024 11:22:20 GMT -6

Somehow this quote from that article didn't make it into the Darnold happy talk:

“He has been with multiple teams, and we are still waiting for the guy,” a defensive coordinator said. “He’s just jittery, man.”

Yup. Look at his film, the jitters jump right out at you. His issues aren't about where he played, they are between his ears. His mistakes are on him.

The best chance imo for him to do better is for KOC to somehow instill some confidence in him, because when the pressure is on he crumbles. He could do better if this weren't happening.

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 26, 2024 11:39:08 GMT -6 vikingpwr likes this

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Post by glenwo2 on Aug 26, 2024 11:39:08 GMT -6

Aug 26, 2024 11:22:20 GMT -6 comet52 said:

Somehow this quote from that article didn't make into the Darnold happy talk:

“He has been with multiple teams, and we are still waiting for the guy,” a defensive coordinator said. “He’s just jittery, man.”

Yup. Look at his film, the jitters jump right out at you. His issues aren't about where he played, they are between his ears. His mistakes are on him.

The best chance imo for him to do better is for KOC to somehow instill some confidence in him, because when the pressure is on he crumbles. He could do better if this weren't happening.

Some of the mistakes are definitely on him.

But when you have to throw to the Jamison Crowders and Terrace Marshall Jr's of the world instead of actual WRs who can catch a pass and run the correct route, it kind of makes things a bit tougher in the long run.

Oh and let's not forget the god-awful OL he had to play behind as well that had him either getting sacked or having him run for this life practically every down.

Some Vikings fans may dog the current OL but this OL is in a different galaxy than the Jets OL when Sam played there.

But back to the point : Yeah...I hope KOC can work some magic and prove he is indeed the QB Whisperer of Whisperers here and have Sam play well.

But it remains a wait-and-see situation for everyone as to what Darnold shows up from Game to Game unfortunately.

In 2022, he managed (with, admittedly, a very good running attack which we hope we have with Jones and Chandler....that is if KOC doesn't abandon it like usual) to show up to all but the final game (where no one else showed up) so that's something that we (or rather I, since i'm sure you'll disagree) can point to that he CAN string good starts in a row.

Game 1 can't come soon enough so we'll have the answers to most of our questions.

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 26, 2024 13:31:34 GMT -6

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Post by vikingpwr on Aug 26, 2024 13:31:34 GMT -6

Aug 26, 2024 11:39:08 GMT -6 glenwo2 said:

Some of the mistakes are definitely on him.

As they should!

Aug 26, 2024 11:39:08 GMT -6 glenwo2 said:

But when you have to throw to the Jamison Crowders and Terrace Marshall Jr's of the world instead of actual WRs who can catch a pass and run the correct route, it kind of makes things a bit tougher in the long run.

Oh and let's not forget the god-awful OL he had to play behind as well that had him either getting sacked or having him run for this life practically every down.

Some Vikings fans may dog the current OL but this OL is in a different galaxy than the Jets OL when Sam played there.

The Jets were horrible!!

2018-2020 Jets: Sam Darnold 13-25, Josh McNown 0-3, Luke Falk 0-3, Joe Flacco 0-4

The Panthers were horrible!!

2021-2022 Panthers: Sam Darnold 8-9, Cam Newton 1-7, Baker Mayfield 1-5

*note Teddy Bridgewater 4-11 in 2020 with the Panthers

My point......those teams were really bad.

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Aug 27, 2024 8:56:45 GMT -6 Oracle Bone Diviner said:

We were 7-10 last year. Is that good, bad or horrible, or does it just show that we needed a Sam Darnold?

Bad at the start of the 2023 season with 9 turnovers in the first 3 games. Horrible after the New Orleans game. We needed Kirk but he wasn't available.

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How many starts will Sam Darnold get this year? Aug 27, 2024 12:18:53 GMT -6

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Post by Oracle Bone Diviner on Aug 27, 2024 12:18:53 GMT -6

Aug 27, 2024 12:05:55 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Aug 27, 2024 8:56:45 GMT -6 Oracle Bone Diviner said:

We were 7-10 last year. Is that good, bad or horrible, or does it just show that we needed a Sam Darnold?

Bad at the start of the 2023 season with 9 turnovers in the first 3 games. Horrible after the New Orleans game. We needed Kirk but he wasn't available.

So based on your formula

bad/horrible teams = Bad Sam

2023 Vikings=bad/horrible

therefore

Bad Vikings + Bad Sam = more Bad Sam and more Bad Vikings

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