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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 17:27:42 GMT -6 via mobile

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Mar 31, 2024 17:14:42 GMT -6 PurpleFloyd said:

Mar 31, 2024 16:16:42 GMT -6 maybenextyear said:

Less demand at QB? Especially in one of the most top heavy QB drafts in years. Come on man!

Yes the flexibility to move up. That trade was made for a team they want to move up with to show they're serious. That trade didn't need to be made at all and surly not before the draft if they just wanted "flexibility". You don't just randomly trade up to pick 23 in no man's land. Talk about showings your hand. If they wanted to drop back they would have never got pick 23.

But only a really dumb organization trades up no matter what if the player they want isn’t available. And only a poorly run front office moves up to take a player that wasn’t the optimal fit for their offensive system just to placate a fan. So yeah- if the guy they want becomes available at a spot that they can get to then it is something they need to weigh and if it makes sense do it.

But if the ideal player is gone then trading assets to move up and take them knowing they were not the optimal fit is something that gets you fired. The better plan is to be smart and not draft someone who doesn’t fit your system.

No one is stating that. What's being said is they didn't do the first move without confirmation from a team up top. It makes absolutely no sense to do so. The team(s) they're in contact with can now determine what they want along with the Vikings in compensation. No one I have read that wants to trade up wants to just grab anyone. That's the people that don't want to trade up. If they have a target I feel confident they will get them.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 17:30:27 GMT -6

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Mar 31, 2024 16:06:44 GMT -6 VFL said:

Mar 31, 2024 15:03:52 GMT -6 VikingsVictorious said:

How can we pick 2 of them at 11? Do we have 2 pick 11s? Anyway, I want one of the 6. If 1 or more are available I'd be taking one at 11.

2 of the 6 I would not pick at 11. Kind of like I wouldn't pay $110K for a Lexus GX550 when I know I can buy one less than $80k.

Cool. Which two wouldn't you pick at 11? They're both likely gone at 23. Are you good with Rattler or Pratt? Or draft a QB next year plan?

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 17:33:52 GMT -6 VikingsVictorious likes this

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Mar 31, 2024 17:19:40 GMT -6 maybenextyear said:

Mar 31, 2024 17:12:04 GMT -6 VFL said:

Think as you wish but the flow of this board is "McCarthy or Multiple" is we are basing said flow on the title. I must have missed the part about the Vikings trading for the 11th pick. Common sense also means not overpaying for the sake of buying. If they (KOC, KAM, not you) can't get their guy then by all means all options (that means plans B, C, D, etc) are on the board. I am uncertain how hard that is to understand.

The title wasn't in question the flow of what has been said is what you missed. You must have missed what was stated as pick 23 for multiple picks.

Then we start back where I stated then it's a failed draft. Reading comprehension goes along way so does common sense.

I haven't missed anything. I know very well what was traded for 23 and I fully comprehend the subject. Have the Vikings come out and said they traded for 23 because they are for sure going to use it as trade capital?

If they (KOC, KAM, not you) can't move (if that's their full intention) into the position to draft who they want then sure, trading back could be on the block. You don't know what they are going to do. Maybe they moved up to build the lines. I seriously doubt they are going to publicly share their plans.

I am pretty sure that many other teams in the National Football League are hoping the Vikings trade up to 5 and waste it on Nix or Penix. That would be criminal.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 17:46:23 GMT -6 beckmt, skolvikes, and 1 more like this

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Mar 31, 2024 17:30:27 GMT -6 VikingsVictorious said:

Mar 31, 2024 16:06:44 GMT -6 VFL said:

2 of the 6 I would not pick at 11. Kind of like I wouldn't pay $110K for a Lexus GX550 when I know I can buy one less than $80k.

Cool. Which two wouldn't you pick at 11? They're both likely gone at 23. Are you good with Rattler or Pratt? Or draft a QB next year plan?

I'm not exhausting 11 on Penix or Nix. If those two are gone by 23 then that means two other teams overpaid for them and I am fine with that. It just means that the talent pool increase by two for that 23 pick.

I would just stay put with the QB room this year if that happens. I had rather use a 6th round pick and trade for Zack Wilson to see what KOC can do with him then to draft Rattler or Pratt. I know he costs a little bit with current contract. I know we can all play the "what ifs" but what if Darnold has a resurgence like Baker or Goff? It is possible. Just like it's possible that JJM could be a bust.

I just want the Vikings to build a great team and not settle for QB4/5/6. Really that simple. I hope that answers your question.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 18:00:23 GMT -6 via mobile

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Mar 31, 2024 17:33:52 GMT -6 VFL said:

Mar 31, 2024 17:19:40 GMT -6 maybenextyear said:

The title wasn't in question the flow of what has been said is what you missed. You must have missed what was stated as pick 23 for multiple picks.

Then we start back where I stated then it's a failed draft. Reading comprehension goes along way so does common sense.

I haven't missed anything. I know very well what was traded for 23 and I fully comprehend the subject. Have the Vikings come out and said they traded for 23 because they are for sure going to use it as trade capital?

If they (KOC, KAM, not you) can't move (if that's their full intention) into the position to draft who they want then sure, trading back could be on the block. You don't know what they are going to do. Maybe they moved up to build the lines. I seriously doubt they are going to publicly share their plans.

I am pretty sure that many other teams in the National Football League are hoping the Vikings trade up to 5 and waste it on Nix or Penix. That would be criminal.

So, what team is going to announce that? I mean wouldn't that be smart of them? Again, let's use common sense in an argument at the very least.

I don't think KAM or KOC made the move blindly hoping. I think like many here think, they have two guys targeted high. One they will trade up to a certain spot and assets given and the second the same, and I'm fairly certain both are already attainable.

Wait you started out saying "Have the Vikings come out and said they traded for 23 because they are for sure going to use it as trade capital?" then below you say "I seriously doubt they are going to publicly share their plans." How can you debate this type of conflicting responses?

The next issue to be addressed is I surely have never pushed for Penix or Nix at 5 so I have no idea why that was put in the conversation. I'm pretty sure its for actual guys like Maye Daniels or McCarthy.

So if KAM and KOC and the rest of the Vikings brass are all on board as they say, and the best they can do is not get one of the elite QBs it will be s total failure. That will also probably make JJ push his way out as well. They said he has been given the information as to their plans or should I say kept in the loop.

Well, if they move up to draft this class of OT or DL they won't be around long. The talent is severely limited. Not to mention moving up for anything other then a QB would be just stupid.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 18:08:06 GMT -6

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Mar 31, 2024 18:00:23 GMT -6 maybenextyear said:

Mar 31, 2024 17:33:52 GMT -6 VFL said:

I haven't missed anything. I know very well what was traded for 23 and I fully comprehend the subject. Have the Vikings come out and said they traded for 23 because they are for sure going to use it as trade capital?

If they (KOC, KAM, not you) can't move (if that's their full intention) into the position to draft who they want then sure, trading back could be on the block. You don't know what they are going to do. Maybe they moved up to build the lines. I seriously doubt they are going to publicly share their plans.

I am pretty sure that many other teams in the National Football League are hoping the Vikings trade up to 5 and waste it on Nix or Penix. That would be criminal.

So, what team is going to announce that? I mean wouldn't that be smart of them? Again, let's use common sense in an argument at the very least.

I don't think KAM or KOC made the move blindly hoping. I think like many here think, they have two guys targeted high. One they will trade up to a certain spot and assets given and the second the same, and I'm fairly certain both are already attainable.

Wait you started out saying "Have the Vikings come out and said they traded for 23 because they are for sure going to use it as trade capital?" then below you say "I seriously doubt they are going to publicly share their plans." How can you debate this type of conflicting responses?

The next issue to be addressed is I surely have never pushed for Penix or Nix at 5 so I have no idea why that was put in the conversation. I'm pretty sure its for actual guys like Maye Daniels or McCarthy.

So if KAM and KOC and the rest of the Vikings brass are all on board as they say, and the best they can do is not get one of the elite QBs it will be s total failure. That will also probably make JJ push his way out as well. They said he has been given the information as to their plans or should I say kept in the loop.

Well, if they move up to draft this class of OT or DL they won't be around long. The talent is severely limited. Not to mention moving up for anything other then a QB would be just stupid.

One was a question. One was a statement. You seem to be in the know.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 18:09:16 GMT -6 via mobile

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Mar 31, 2024 18:08:06 GMT -6 VFL said:

Mar 31, 2024 18:00:23 GMT -6 maybenextyear said:

So, what team is going to announce that? I mean wouldn't that be smart of them? Again, let's use common sense in an argument at the very least.

I don't think KAM or KOC made the move blindly hoping. I think like many here think, they have two guys targeted high. One they will trade up to a certain spot and assets given and the second the same, and I'm fairly certain both are already attainable.

Wait you started out saying "Have the Vikings come out and said they traded for 23 because they are for sure going to use it as trade capital?" then below you say "I seriously doubt they are going to publicly share their plans." How can you debate this type of conflicting responses?

The next issue to be addressed is I surely have never pushed for Penix or Nix at 5 so I have no idea why that was put in the conversation. I'm pretty sure its for actual guys like Maye Daniels or McCarthy.

So if KAM and KOC and the rest of the Vikings brass are all on board as they say, and the best they can do is not get one of the elite QBs it will be s total failure. That will also probably make JJ push his way out as well. They said he has been given the information as to their plans or should I say kept in the loop.

Well, if they move up to draft this class of OT or DL they won't be around long. The talent is severely limited. Not to mention moving up for anything other then a QB would be just stupid.

One was a question. One was a statement. You seem to be in the know.

Nice cover, and I know common sense.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 18:10:43 GMT -6

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Mar 31, 2024 18:09:16 GMT -6 maybenextyear said:

Mar 31, 2024 18:08:06 GMT -6 VFL said:

One was a question. One was a statement. You seem to be in the know.

Nice cover, and I know common sense.

No cover whatsoever. One was a question and the other was a statement.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 18:40:59 GMT -6 via mobile

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Mar 31, 2024 18:10:43 GMT -6 VFL said:

Mar 31, 2024 18:09:16 GMT -6 maybenextyear said:

Nice cover, and I know common sense.

No cover whatsoever. One was a question and the other was a statement.

Then the one I take as a statement from you needs to be omitted.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 19:18:09 GMT -6

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Mar 31, 2024 17:46:23 GMT -6 VFL said:

Mar 31, 2024 17:30:27 GMT -6 VikingsVictorious said:

Cool. Which two wouldn't you pick at 11? They're both likely gone at 23. Are you good with Rattler or Pratt? Or draft a QB next year plan?

I'm not exhausting 11 on Penix or Nix. If those two are gone by 23 then that means two other teams overpaid for them and I am fine with that. It just means that the talent pool increase by two for that 23 pick.

I would just stay put with the QB room this year if that happens. I had rather use a 6th round pick and trade for Zack Wilson to see what KOC can do with him then to draft Rattler or Pratt. I know he costs a little bit with current contract. I know we can all play the "what ifs" but what if Darnold has a resurgence like Baker or Goff? It is possible. Just like it's possible that JJM could be a bust.

I just want the Vikings to build a great team and not settle for QB4/5/6. Really that simple. I hope that answers your question.

It answers my question and I think you are mistaken about Penix and Nix not worthy of 11. They are going to be good QBs at the NFL level.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 19:33:22 GMT -6

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Mar 31, 2024 19:18:09 GMT -6 VikingsVictorious said:

Mar 31, 2024 17:46:23 GMT -6 VFL said:

I'm not exhausting 11 on Penix or Nix. If those two are gone by 23 then that means two other teams overpaid for them and I am fine with that. It just means that the talent pool increase by two for that 23 pick.

I would just stay put with the QB room this year if that happens. I had rather use a 6th round pick and trade for Zack Wilson to see what KOC can do with him then to draft Rattler or Pratt. I know he costs a little bit with current contract. I know we can all play the "what ifs" but what if Darnold has a resurgence like Baker or Goff? It is possible. Just like it's possible that JJM could be a bust.

I just want the Vikings to build a great team and not settle for QB4/5/6. Really that simple. I hope that answers your question.

It answers my question and I think you are mistaken about Penix and Nix not worthy of 11. They are going to be good QBs at the NFL level.

They possibly could be good NFL QBs. That's the great unknown and makes these drafts fun with all the speculation. I don't think either are 1st rounders and IMO they both will be there at 23.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 19:37:34 GMT -6

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Mar 31, 2024 19:33:22 GMT -6 VFL said:

Mar 31, 2024 19:18:09 GMT -6 VikingsVictorious said:

It answers my question and I think you are mistaken about Penix and Nix not worthy of 11. They are going to be good QBs at the NFL level.

They possibly could be good NFL QBs. That's the great unknown and makes these drafts fun with all the speculation. I don't think either are 1st rounders and IMO they both will be there at 23.

Nix to Denver at 12 is almost a lock if they don't trade up or we don't take him at 11. Raiders good chance will take Penix at 13. Time will tell.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 21:41:59 GMT -6 slapnut19, Brandon, and 1 more like this

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Post by kmillard on Mar 31, 2024 21:41:59 GMT -6

I don't view it as setting for 4,5,or sixth best QB after watching this class the last few years, I think 6th rated QB this year would probably be top 3 in most drafts. They have a better shot with any of the top 6 this year.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Mar 31, 2024 22:21:12 GMT -6 Brandon and snotbubbles like this

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Post by beckmt on Mar 31, 2024 22:21:12 GMT -6

I think you are missing a couple of items here.
1. what are the Giants going to do. If you think Daniel Jones is a bust you draft a QB as you can get out from Jones after 2024.
2. You have both Denver and the Raiders looking to move up. Don't think Denver can, but maybe the Raiders offer more draft capital than the Vikings feel is worthwhile. I have seen mocks with 6 QBs in the first 10. And if that starts happening moving up is going to cost an arm and a leg. Do you want the Vikings to be part of it.
3. Vikings have a handshake agreement to move up. That will last until some lower club or the Giants offer more. Maybe it holds maybe it does not. Only time will tell.

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McCarthy or Multiple? Apr 1, 2024 6:30:25 GMT -6

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Mar 31, 2024 11:06:51 GMT -6 maybenextyear said:

Mar 31, 2024 10:02:02 GMT -6 SiteWolf said:

Guess that depends on who you consider top and 2nd tier. There's likely to be 4 gone in the top 10, but we don't know if the other 2 (of the assumed top 6) will go before 16....and I just picked a number there for the response. Are you thinking Nix and Penix both go before 16, too?

We can safely assume 3 QBs for sure. The way McCarthy keeps getting pushed up, 4. We can also somewhat assume those 3 QBs go to Chi, Was, and NE so the question then would be, if not the Vikings, who, besides Denver, might go QB before 16? Yes, it could be the Giants, yes, it could be the Raiders.

Again, I didn't say it would/should happen, just that there is the possibility their guy is there at 16.

No on Penix and Nix. If that happens then its a huge overreach. I'm talking for the Vikings don't care about any others and what they do.

The 16 spots is just kinda weird

Again, I just pulled out a number between 11 and 23 and landed on 16 as an example....happens to be Seattle, who could also go QB for all we know.

Curious, tho, why you think 11 is such a reach for Nix and Penix but don't think it's a reach for McCarthy at 3.