Is it easier ... ?

It is look it up. He traded both for 2 nd round picks after he made them look good. Something KOC failed to do 3 times in the same situation. In those situations he made them tradable sorry guys. He beat us snd win games with sorry Chase Daniels. It facts and more than one time. A real guru find guys to run his system. Even if he makes adjustments with less talent.

Bad coaching can have an all world and still always choke see Buffalo. But a good coach may not win a bowl with less but will find somebody’s to keep the system humming.

Even when a guy fails there someone else behind who will take advantage fool proof over time for great systems.

Every guy don’t work. I didn’t say that and made clear Lance was a bust. What I made clear is a good system dont stay down they will find someone. Mullens throws picks he be put in position but the decision is him. In that note I will defend KO. But he couldn’t make a decision to stick with a guy is the part I didn’t like.

Andy Reid had like one or two bad years total in Philly. They let him go because they impatient and dumb. Nobody perfect a bad year can happen. If KO that dude he will find our guy if not he won’t that simple.

I gave him the ultimate example thanks for helping me try to explain it to some.

Ya that's part of my point though and in Mullens case he didn't work even with one of the elite coaches you mentioned. Yet he was arguably our best option once Kirk got injured. We were forced into starting Dobbs and getting him to play the way we did the first two games was our best shot at making a run this season imo even if very unlikely. We tried making that work as long as possible while staying in the hunt but again Dobbs is a 2-9 starter outside of this organization. The reality is the backup QB's we were working with combine for like a 7-24 record when not here and that includes Mullens time with Shanahan. These guys don't work in basically any system that's why they are career backups and very cheap. 

My point wasn't to bring down any of those coaches as if they aren't great, I think Reid is the best of the best in that sense. I just can also see he didn't make it over the hump until he had what will likely go down as one of the greatest QB's of all time. He did have some down years when the QB situation wasn't as stable himself even. The level of talent is the biggest factor in success and when you drop to a certain level like what we had half of the year, you rarely ever see success even with great systems like Shanahan/Mullens. 

My hope is we get to see KOC with a young talented QB to see if he can be that type of guy or not. My fear is that we won't get the chance to see given the decisions being made year after year. Either way I don't think what happened with our backup QB's should change very much, even Shanahan couldn't make it work with that type of QB. 

I forgot the Bill part. You do know he a defensive guy really? He had a one of kind in Brady was exposed without him.

I’m not disputing needing talent you need both. But getting talent goes hand in hand with good coaching and organization. That comes naturally over time well ran teams get talent it’s a part of why they labeled good.

Fighting over "QB guru" and offensive genius are kind of silly to me. You can label him what you want but he's an offensive mastermind at the end of the day who is still evolving at his age which is simply amazing in itself.  Yes he now has Mahomes and the infrastructure is set up all around to make this a fine tuned machine that is going to last as long as Andy wants to stick around.

That is really the dream, you have the coach then the QB and you now have the DC who knows his role and wants to stick around for the ride. It really must be fun to be a chiefs fan right now lol

Ya that's fair he is different than what we are discussing but I had heard it mentioned in the past simply due to Brady lol.

I still think Bill is a good coach but the issue is he became a bit more of their gm and that is where the fall off really happened imo. I don't think great coaching and getting talent always go hand in hand in that sense.




Ya, I don't know about being a guru but at the very least I have seen enough from watching downfield on passing plays to see the consistent options a good QB should have in his offense. Even a handful of the Mullens misses the guy was open he just sort of missed it. KOC definitely has areas to work on like the screen game and running game but it seems clear his offense will be predicated on the QB making a lot of plays so they need to be good decision makers.

I just hope we get to at least see either way next year if he can start developing one or not.