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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 15:52:21 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 13, 2023 15:43:01 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Dec 13, 2023 15:27:12 GMT -6 Drank said:

I’m now officially afraid of drafting our guy. Because the biggest problem and quickest way to draft bust (particularly at QB) is just draft anybody. You have to get guys who fit your system or adapt to that style within the system.

This well it’s mid season on deaf ears this way. If you couldn’t do that then Dobbs should not have been brought in you could have gotten someone else. Instead of forcing the style he can’t play in. We don’t want a free lancer that’s fine ,but recognize that before you blind fold dart throw.

is there a system that Dobbs has had success in?

Maybe not but why get him then is my beef? Reeks of dart throwing because he definitely not a pocket guy. They should know that. So either they just dumb as hell or was dart throwing.

They was already going to give him the starting job unless Hall was historically great. So they don’t know what they buying? Seems like it and if so that spooks the heck out of me.Dont hope to find the guy identify the guy. When we draft one I hope it’s not a just choose one. That what we did with Ponder. Everyone was gone so they pushed up the next guy. If they didn’t like Dobbs game pick another. It’s hard to argue what I just said. Show me you know what you doing.

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 15:55:14 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 13, 2023 15:52:21 GMT -6 Drank said:

Dec 13, 2023 15:43:01 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

is there a system that Dobbs has had success in?

Maybe not but why get him then is my beef? Reeks of dart throwing because he definitely not a pocket guy. They should know that. So either they just dumb as hell or was dart throwing.

They was already going to give him the starting job unless Hall was historically great. So they don’t know what they buying? Seems like it and if so that spooks the heck out of me.Dont hope to find the guy identify the guy. When we draft one I hope it’s not a just choose one. That what we did with Ponder. Everyone was gone so they pushed up the next guy. If they didn’t like Dobbs game pick another. It’s hard to argue what I just said. Show me you know what you doing.

They needed another qb on the roster not named Mannion and he was cheap to acquire

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 16:16:31 GMT -6 via mobile Funkytown likes this

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Dec 13, 2023 15:55:14 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Dec 13, 2023 15:52:21 GMT -6 Drank said:

Maybe not but why get him then is my beef? Reeks of dart throwing because he definitely not a pocket guy. They should know that. So either they just dumb as hell or was dart throwing.

They was already going to give him the starting job unless Hall was historically great. So they don’t know what they buying? Seems like it and if so that spooks the heck out of me.Dont hope to find the guy identify the guy. When we draft one I hope it’s not a just choose one. That what we did with Ponder. Everyone was gone so they pushed up the next guy. If they didn’t like Dobbs game pick another. It’s hard to argue what I just said. Show me you know what you doing.

They needed another qb on the roster not named Mannion and he was cheap to acquire

I get what you saying. But it’s not efficient enough. You never and I mean never get a guy who don’t fit your system especially if you not willing to change it. When you do that you already defeated and it won’t end well. See it’s like a book. What makes a good book to me or a movie is…The beginning is important but how it finish will carry more weight for me.

I get it he won two games but we were fortunate. Still even those two wasn’t enough we still need more. The end game and result is what I look for to call something a success. Understand what you buying at all times. They obviously didn’t want his style.

It’s the nature of just anyone that has me worried if they know what they buying come draft. That is of the most importance know what you getting and have a plan for that player. This a minor one but they failed showing me adaptability and understanding of a skill set on this one. Come drafting I need to see better conviction.

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 16:27:04 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by Drank on Dec 13, 2023 16:27:04 GMT -6

I heard KOC say it’s about JJ. I get that and understand but if so get a pocket guy. Dobbs can get guys numbers but it has to come in an unorthodox way. So either you want to win anyway necessary or want it your way like BK.

It’s about winning right. JJ say he want to win. I love JJ but if something helps you win and you mad over numbers,then ultimately you a selfish player. Just win baby!

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 16:38:00 GMT -6 via mobile

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KO already sounded like he had given up on Dobbs before the game so why not just go with Mullens. Let me ask this question?

Who on here and in there right mind and sound in this game think… 7 step drops fit Dobbs game? We should have went to a quick read pass game getting guys yac yards rollouts etc etc designed runs for Dobbs.

KO just didn’t want to adjust nothing it’s simple. Hopefully Mullens takes us there but I am disappointed at the moment with KOC.

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 16:43:11 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 13, 2023 16:38:00 GMT -6 Drank said:

KO already sounded like he had given up on Dobbs before the game so why not just go with Mullens. Let me ask this question?

Who on here and in there right mind and sound in this game think… 7 step drops fit Dobbs game? We should have went to a quick read pass game getting guys yac yards rollouts etc etc designed runs for Dobbs.

KO just didn’t want to adjust nothing it’s simple. Hopefully Mullens takes us there but I am disappointed at the moment with KOC.

if all it took to make bad qbs good was to roll them out or give them quick reads then there wouldn't be any bad qbs

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by Drank on Dec 13, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -6

Dec 13, 2023 16:43:11 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Dec 13, 2023 16:38:00 GMT -6 Drank said:

KO already sounded like he had given up on Dobbs before the game so why not just go with Mullens. Let me ask this question?

Who on here and in there right mind and sound in this game think… 7 step drops fit Dobbs game? We should have went to a quick read pass game getting guys yac yards rollouts etc etc designed runs for Dobbs.

KO just didn’t want to adjust nothing it’s simple. Hopefully Mullens takes us there but I am disappointed at the moment with KOC.

if all it took to make bad qbs good was to roll them out or give them quick reads then there wouldn't be any bad qbs

I disagree Slap. That is rare because we agree a lot. Most bad QBs just suck he proved capable and they went away from it. Why because I already explained that. Dobbs failed I admit that, but why he failed to be able to play our true offense. So who really failed. JMO but I blame coaches who get guys and not adapt.

Now Dobbs is not as athletic or dynamic as Jackson or Hurts. But he a generic version of them. Those guys started off doing simple reads as they got comfortable.We had nothing to lose odds was against us. Now we to a 4 th QB hopefully 4 the charm. It is what it is but I didn’t like how it was handled.

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 16:55:54 GMT -6 via mobile Drank likes this

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Dec 13, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -6 Drank said:

Dec 13, 2023 16:43:11 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

if all it took to make bad qbs good was to roll them out or give them quick reads then there wouldn't be any bad qbs

I disagree Slap. That is rare because we agree a lot. Most bad QBs just suck he proved capable and they went away from it. Why because I already explained that. Dobbs failed I admit that, but why he failed to be able to play our true offense. So who really failed. JMO but I blame coaches who get guys and not adapt.

Now Dobbs is not as athletic or dynamic as Jackson or Hurts. But he a generic version of them. Those guys started off doing simple reads as they got comfortable.We had nothing to lose odds was against us. Now we to a 4 th QB hopefully 4 the charm. It is what it is but I didn’t like how it was handled.

I don't think Dobbs struggling is some indication that KOC doesn't know what he's doing. Yes I agree that maybe he could have made things easier for Dobbs but there's only so much you can do to an offense mid season without it disrupting the other 10 guys on the field. I think the plan was always to go back to Mullens but Dobbs two games vs Atlanta and the Saints gave them some belief that maybe he could be something more than he was before coming here

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 17:00:07 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 13, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -6 Drank said:

Dec 13, 2023 16:43:11 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

if all it took to make bad qbs good was to roll them out or give them quick reads then there wouldn't be any bad qbs

I disagree Slap. That is rare because we agree a lot. Most bad QBs just suck he proved capable and they went away from it. Why because I already explained that. Dobbs failed I admit that, but why he failed to be able to play our true offense. So who really failed. JMO but I blame coaches who get guys and not adapt.

Now Dobbs is not as athletic or dynamic as Jackson or Hurts. But he a generic version of them. Those guys started off doing simple reads as they got comfortable.We had nothing to lose odds was against us. Now we to a 4 th QB hopefully 4 the charm. It is what it is but I didn’t like how it was handled.

Slap lol you already won. He played poorly and benched so yeah I didn’t agree with how it went down but I’ll get over it. I was wrong because regardless of the why he didn’t get the magic. I figured he would he didn’t. I can feel it could of been handled better and I believe that. But honestly it don’t matter what I think he gon. 😂

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 17:02:52 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by Drank on Dec 13, 2023 17:02:52 GMT -6

Dec 13, 2023 16:55:54 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Dec 13, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -6 Drank said:

I disagree Slap. That is rare because we agree a lot. Most bad QBs just suck he proved capable and they went away from it. Why because I already explained that. Dobbs failed I admit that, but why he failed to be able to play our true offense. So who really failed. JMO but I blame coaches who get guys and not adapt.

Now Dobbs is not as athletic or dynamic as Jackson or Hurts. But he a generic version of them. Those guys started off doing simple reads as they got comfortable.We had nothing to lose odds was against us. Now we to a 4 th QB hopefully 4 the charm. It is what it is but I didn’t like how it was handled.

I don't think Dobbs struggling is some indication that KOC doesn't know what he's doing. Yes I agree that maybe he could have made things easier for Dobbs but there's only so much you can do to an offense mid season without it disrupting the other 10 guys on the field. I think the plan was always to go back to Mullens but Dobbs two games vs Atlanta and the Saints gave them some belief that maybe he could be something more than he was before coming here

my bad I double did a post. That one is for you . Honestly though y’all won this debate. Regardless why the thrill is gone and the magic gone.

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 17:03:18 GMT -6 via mobile Drank likes this

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Dec 13, 2023 17:00:07 GMT -6 Drank said:

Dec 13, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -6 Drank said:

I disagree Slap. That is rare because we agree a lot. Most bad QBs just suck he proved capable and they went away from it. Why because I already explained that. Dobbs failed I admit that, but why he failed to be able to play our true offense. So who really failed. JMO but I blame coaches who get guys and not adapt.

Now Dobbs is not as athletic or dynamic as Jackson or Hurts. But he a generic version of them. Those guys started off doing simple reads as they got comfortable.We had nothing to lose odds was against us. Now we to a 4 th QB hopefully 4 the charm. It is what it is but I didn’t like how it was handled.

Slap lol you already won. He played poorly and benched so yeah I didn’t agree with how it went down but I’ll get over it. I was wrong because regardless of the why he didn’t get the magic. I figured he would he didn’t. I can feel it could of been handled better and I believe that. But honestly it don’t matter what I think he gon. 😂

with the way qbs are dropping around the league he may be back out there sooner than you think. He's actually a pretty good backup who can catch defenses off guard who prepare for Mullens

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Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 13, 2023 17:06:45 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 13, 2023 17:03:18 GMT -6 slapnut19 said:

Dec 13, 2023 17:00:07 GMT -6 Drank said:

Slap lol you already won. He played poorly and benched so yeah I didn’t agree with how it went down but I’ll get over it. I was wrong because regardless of the why he didn’t get the magic. I figured he would he didn’t. I can feel it could have been handled better and I believe that. But honestly it don’t matter what I think he gon. 😂

with the way qbs are dropping around the league he may be back out there sooner than you think. He's actually a pretty good backup who can catch defenses off guard who prepare for Mullens

Absolutely I do think he is a backup. Nothing wrong with that and like I told you he is clunky his game.

I just wanted to see a Alopecia no name pull off a Keenum surprise. So I just up in my feelings. Mullens gets his chance to make me jump aboard. In the end I don’t care how it happens just somebody do it.

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Funkytown Owner Purple Pain Big Dog Posts: 67,492 Likes: 31,423 Fan Since: 1998	Week 14 - Vikes @ Raiders Support Group Dec 14, 2023 20:55:47 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Funkytown on Dec 14, 2023 20:55:47 GMT -6 Raiders up 42-0 at half against the Chargers. B-Flo is elite. Pay that man!