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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 9, 2023 13:01:37 GMT -6

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Nov 9, 2023 8:07:32 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

Nov 9, 2023 7:56:47 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

Well, if you think the team will go 5-0 without JJ, there's reason to believe it. I read something on MSN yesterday, but Carr and the Saints offense are one of the of the worst teams in the league against the blitz... their defense is also one of the worst teams in the league against running QBs...

So.. if Flores keeps blitzing and Dobbs scrambles when the pocket collapses, that will play quite a bit into the Saint's biggest weaknesses on both sides of the ball.

Ive never been a big fan of Carr. Saints schedule has been pretty weak, seems like their defense is solid. Honestly the biggest concern of mine is tghat they are 2.5 pt favorites lol doesnt really make sense to me being at home.

It does to me. This is not a good team, its a very average team who had a few really good games while Kirk was healthy. Now if he was still playing I would say 5 wins in a row would be possible. But he isnt, and Dobbs has been cut, released and benched so much he might not even know which team hes playing for now. And I have come to believe what the odds makers make. Id say another week too until teams can pick apart Flores and his D.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 9, 2023 15:24:45 GMT -6 Funkytown and TheTormentedFan like this

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Nov 9, 2023 8:07:32 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

Nov 9, 2023 7:56:47 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

Well, if you think the team will go 5-0 without JJ, there's reason to believe it. I read something on MSN yesterday, but Carr and the Saints offense are one of the of the worst teams in the league against the blitz... their defense is also one of the worst teams in the league against running QBs...

So.. if Flores keeps blitzing and Dobbs scrambles when the pocket collapses, that will play quite a bit into the Saint's biggest weaknesses on both sides of the ball.

Ive never been a big fan of Carr. Saints schedule has been pretty weak, seems like their defense is solid. Honestly the biggest concern of mine is tghat they are 2.5 pt favorites lol doesnt really make sense to me being at home.

WE've won 5 0f 6 games? How do we not get the typical 3pt home field favor? That means the taints are kinda fovored by 5.5 pts. I could care less since I don't gamble but I s'pect the players might feel a bit dissed!

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 9, 2023 15:59:31 GMT -6 Funkytown and TheTormentedFan like this

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Nov 9, 2023 15:24:45 GMT -6 ATXVike said:

Nov 9, 2023 8:07:32 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

Ive never been a big fan of Carr. Saints schedule has been pretty weak, seems like their defense is solid. Honestly the biggest concern of mine is tghat they are 2.5 pt favorites lol doesnt really make sense to me being at home.

WE've won 5 0f 6 games? How do we not get the typical 3pt home field favor? That means the taints are kinda fovored by 5.5 pts. I could care less since I don't gamble but I s'pect the players might feel a bit dissed!

It is kinda baffling, now it is Saints -3. It reeks of when the Lions and Cowboys were favored against us in the second half of the year and Vegas was right... but they've also been dead wrong in the 49ers, Falcons, and (kinda) Packers games.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 9, 2023 21:32:05 GMT -6 Josey Wales likes this

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Nov 9, 2023 21:14:24 GMT -6 Josey Wales said:

Any chance JJ makes it back this week?

Everything that has been said makes it sound like he's not going to play this week. I think he will play against the Broncos, but that's just a hunch.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 9, 2023 22:40:32 GMT -6 via mobile

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Nov 9, 2023 21:32:05 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Nov 9, 2023 21:14:24 GMT -6 Josey Wales said:

Any chance JJ makes it back this week?

Everything that has been said makes it sound like he's not going to play this week. I think he will play against the Broncos, but that's just a hunch.

That's kind of the way I perceived what I've read, they keep talking about "being cautious with him", which is either gamesmanship, or they're keeping him out at least another week.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 10, 2023 3:44:51 GMT -6 via mobile

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Nov 9, 2023 15:59:31 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Nov 9, 2023 15:24:45 GMT -6 ATXVike said:

WE've won 5 0f 6 games? How do we not get the typical 3pt home field favor? That means the taints are kinda fovored by 5.5 pts. I could care less since I don't gamble but I s'pect the players might feel a bit dissed!

It is kinda baffling, now it is Saints -3. It reeks of when the Lions and Cowboys were favored against us in the second half of the year and Vegas was right... but they've also been dead wrong in the 49ers, Falcons, and (kinda) Packers games.

HFA is 1-2 pts so this is Saints 1-2 pts better according to the money. It's pro money assuming that Josh Dobbs will be what he's always been, not what he was last Sunday.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 10, 2023 7:18:12 GMT -6

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Post by whoskmoon on Nov 10, 2023 7:18:12 GMT -6

Nov 9, 2023 15:59:31 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Nov 9, 2023 15:24:45 GMT -6 ATXVike said:

WE've won 5 0f 6 games? How do we not get the typical 3pt home field favor? That means the taints are kinda fovored by 5.5 pts. I could care less since I don't gamble but I s'pect the players might feel a bit dissed!

It is kinda baffling, now it is Saints -3. It reeks of when the Lions and Cowboys were favored against us in the second half of the year and Vegas was right... but they've also been dead wrong in the 49ers, Falcons, and (kinda) Packers games.

I think they are seeing the same thing with this defense that I am and betters are worried that with a week to prepare for Dobbs without his #1 and #3 option playing, NO will be able to slow our offense.

Hopefully they are wrong and Dobbs and the D surprise everyone.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 10, 2023 7:23:05 GMT -6

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Post by suncoastvike on Nov 10, 2023 7:23:05 GMT -6

Nov 9, 2023 15:59:31 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Nov 9, 2023 15:24:45 GMT -6 ATXVike said:

WE've won 5 0f 6 games? How do we not get the typical 3pt home field favor? That means the taints are kinda fovored by 5.5 pts. I could care less since I don't gamble but I s'pect the players might feel a bit dissed!

It is kinda baffling, now it is Saints -3. It reeks of when the Lions and Cowboys were favored against us in the second half of the year and Vegas was right... but they've also been dead wrong in the 49ers, Falcons, and (kinda) Packers games.

I think it's the injuries thing. What I seen says they are 2-3 as underdogs this year. However they are on a 2 game win streak getting points so there's that.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 10, 2023 10:43:23 GMT -6

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Post by Purple Pain on Nov 10, 2023 10:43:23 GMT -6

Storyline to watch: Can the Vikings' defense continue its strong play -- it ranks No. 3 in defensive efficiency during the Vikings' four-game winning streak -- against Saints quarterback Derek Carr? Over the same period, Carr has led the NFL in passing yards (1,175), and he has eclipsed 300 yards in his past two road games. -- Kevin Seifert

Bold prediction: Vikings QB Joshua Dobbs will set a new season high in rushing yards, rushing for at least 70 yards. The Saints have struggled to contain quarterback runs, with Bears QB Tyson Bagent (70 yards) and Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence (59 yards) giving the run defense trouble. Dobbs had 66 rushing yards against the Falcons last week in his first game with the Vikings and has had at least 40 rushing yards in six games between the Vikings and the Cardinals. He can easily hit 70 yards unless the Saints fixed their QB run issue this week. -- Katherine Terrell

Stat to know: Alvin Kamara has seven rushing touchdowns in three games against Minnesota in his career, which is tied for his most vs. any team (Tampa Bay -- seven in 12 games played). He had six rushing touchdowns vs. the Vikings on Dec. 25, 2020, the most rushing touchdowns in a single game in NFL history.

Matchup X factor: Saints cornerback Paulson Adebo. He deserves love for his four interceptions this season, including two last week. Adebo has the fifth-lowest yards per coverage snap allowed among outside corners with at least 200 coverage snaps, per NFL Next Gen Stats. That indicates strong play-to-play performance beyond the picks. -- Walders

What to know for fantasy: With 14 red zone possessions over the past three weeks, the Saints are tied for second in the league. Over that time period, New Orleans ranks third in pass attempts per game. This season, the Vikings give up the ninth-most fantasy points per game to wide receivers.

Betting nugget: The Vikings have covered four straight games.

Moody's pick: Saints 24, Vikings 21
Walder's pick: Saints 20, Vikings 17
FPI prediction: MIN, 49.9% (by an average of 0 points)

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 10, 2023 11:42:30 GMT -6

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Nov 10, 2023 3:44:51 GMT -6 comet52 said:

Nov 9, 2023 15:59:31 GMT -6 Danchat said:

It is kinda baffling, now it is Saints -3. It reeks of when the Lions and Cowboys were favored against us in the second half of the year and Vegas was right... but they've also been dead wrong in the 49ers, Falcons, and (kinda) Packers games.

HFA is 1-2 pts so this is Saints 1-2 pts better according to the money. It's pro money assuming that Josh Dobbs will be what he's always been, not what he was last Sunday.

Hold on, the line is Saints -3 on the road, meaning they think the Saints are 4-5 points better. I think 1-2 points makes a lot more sense.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 10, 2023 11:46:46 GMT -6 via mobile whuisman and kmillard like this

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Man the kool-aid is flowing around here after last week.

The Sharps in Vegas see a mediocre Team on the Road with an actual Franchise QB, albeit a low end one, versus a Team with a career journeyman QB missing its best player and with injuries to several others.

Why wouldn't the bookies favor the Saints? They pass the ball. Minnesota can't cover anyone. Aside from Hunter they can't consistently pressure the Passer.

This isn't Atlanta with their own journeyman QB who's Offense was heavily run oriented. And the DC has had a week to prep for Dobbs. I fully expect a loss.

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Week 10 - Saints @ Vikes Support Group Nov 10, 2023 12:36:12 GMT -6

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Nov 10, 2023 11:46:46 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Man the kool-aid is flowing around here after last week.

But they have so very little. *loling*

The Sharps in Vegas see a mediocre Team on the Road with an actual Franchise QB, albeit a low end one, versus a Team with a career journeyman QB missing its best player and with injuries to several others.

Why wouldn't the bookies favor the Saints? They pass the ball. Minnesota can't cover anyone. Aside from Hunter they can't consistently pressure the Passer.

This isn't Atlanta with their own journeyman QB who's Offense was heavily run oriented. And the DC has had a week to prep for Dobbs. I fully expect a loss.

I'm back to no/low expectations. I certainly won't expect Dobbs to earn the kind of accolades that he deservedly got for the last game. But I'd love to see it.

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