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Is there a QB debate? Nov 16, 2023 21:02:21 GMT -6

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Post by Raptorman on Nov 16, 2023 21:02:21 GMT -6

Nov 16, 2023 20:54:41 GMT -6 dobbs4mvp said:

Nov 16, 2023 6:35:59 GMT -6 PurpleFloyd said:

But he had shots with multiple teams. You left Brett Favre in the list as well since he went from Atlanta to GB. But none of them started on others teams rosters and then were traded after seeing playing time.

Hopefully he does become a great player for us but making a comparison to those players is a bit silly.

I don't consider practice reps to be a true shot. Sure lots of teams have had him in camp. But what makes Dobbs special is his mobility. And that's very tough to simulate in practice because you can't touch the QB.

Here's a little nugget for those that didn't follow Dobbs in college. It took circumstances similar to this for him to get his opportunity at Tennessee. Despite being a 4-star recruit, Dobbs was 3rd on the depth chart his sophomore season behind a guy named Justin Worley (who never played in the NFL) and Nathan Peterman (yes that Nathan Peterman who has some of the worst stats in NFL history for a guy whose started multiple games). Despite Tennessee struggling badly to start that season Vols head coach Butch Jones remained unwilling to let Dobbs start. Most of the fan base started to assume that Dobbs must stink if he couldn't beat out Worley and Peterman (who were awful). Then during the lead-up to the annual showdown against Alabama the two QBs ahead of Dobbs on the depth chart come down with injuries. Butch Jones has no choice but to play Dobbs against Alabama. Dobbs plays like a star that game and almost pulls off the huge upset. He's named the starter after that performance then starts tearing it up down the stretch. He had an epic 300 yard passing 150 yard rushing and 5 TD performance against South Carolina in a come from behind victory.

His play was so good to end that season that everyone who follows Tennessee football and the SEC started to ask why he wasn't the starter to begin with. And why it took injuries for him to get a shot. Word started to come out that Dobbs wasn't exactly the best practice player but when the lights were on he was a gamer. I don't think that is the case. I just think Dobbs skills are magnified in real game situations more than practice. The things that make Dobbs special are his mobility in addition to his passing. If you take away his running then it's easy to see how some teams could overlook him based on practice reps.

All in all, this is actually Dobbs first true opportunity to show the NFL what he's got. It's the first time he's gotten extended snaps in real game situations with a talented supporting cast.

But he didn't do well in Arizona. Anyone here think the Cardinals offense is on par with the Vikings talentwise?

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Post by dobbs4mvp on Nov 16, 2023 21:03:34 GMT -6

Nov 16, 2023 13:09:06 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

Ugh. Dobbs truthers. Here's the truth: his accuracy issues are related to his inconsistent footwork and inconsistent throwing motion.

Those aren't getting fixed at age 29. Truth.

People said the same thing about Josh Allen. Then he got Stefon Diggs and people started saying he was an MVP candidate. It's funny how a guy gets more accurate when you give him more talent.

With that said, I won't totally disagree with you. Dobbs has this maddening tendency to miss horribly on easy throws every now and then. He did it all throughout college. And even during this amazing two game start with Minnesota he's had some ugly misses. As I said earlier, that 3rd and 7 miss during the game winning drive to Brandon Powell before the scramble on 4th down was as ugly as it gets. I've come to the conclusion that's just a part of him. Sometimes with great athletes you gotta take the good with the bad. Will Dobbs ever be a perfectly consistent passer? I highly doubt it. However, I think he can be consistent enough in the passing game to make up for those defects with his sublime playmaking and scrambling abilities.

I truly believe these first 2 games with the Vikings are NOT a high water mark for Dobbs in this offense. I think this is who he can be on a consistent basis with a coach like Kevin O'Connell. He'll have some ugly throws and turnovers but he'll also make amazing plays and give you a chance to win every game. Josh Dobbs is a baller. And if I was a Vikings fan I would be excited.

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Nov 16, 2023 21:02:21 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Nov 16, 2023 20:54:41 GMT -6 dobbs4mvp said:

I don't consider practice reps to be a true shot. Sure lots of teams have had him in camp. But what makes Dobbs special is his mobility. And that's very tough to simulate in practice because you can't touch the QB.

Here's a little nugget for those that didn't follow Dobbs in college. It took circumstances similar to this for him to get his opportunity at Tennessee. Despite being a 4-star recruit, Dobbs was 3rd on the depth chart his sophomore season behind a guy named Justin Worley (who never played in the NFL) and Nathan Peterman (yes that Nathan Peterman who has some of the worst stats in NFL history for a guy whose started multiple games). Despite Tennessee struggling badly to start that season Vols head coach Butch Jones remained unwilling to let Dobbs start. Most of the fan base started to assume that Dobbs must stink if he couldn't beat out Worley and Peterman (who were awful). Then during the lead-up to the annual showdown against Alabama the two QBs ahead of Dobbs on the depth chart come down with injuries. Butch Jones has no choice but to play Dobbs against Alabama. Dobbs plays like a star that game and almost pulls off the huge upset. He's named the starter after that performance then starts tearing it up down the stretch. He had an epic 300 yard passing 150 yard rushing and 5 TD performance against South Carolina in a come from behind victory.

His play was so good to end that season that everyone who follows Tennessee football and the SEC started to ask why he wasn't the starter to begin with. And why it took injuries for him to get a shot. Word started to come out that Dobbs wasn't exactly the best practice player but when the lights were on he was a gamer. I don't think that is the case. I just think Dobbs skills are magnified in real game situations more than practice. The things that make Dobbs special are his mobility in addition to his passing. If you take away his running then it's easy to see how some teams could overlook him based on practice reps.

All in all, this is actually Dobbs first true opportunity to show the NFL what he's got. It's the first time he's gotten extended snaps in real game situations with a talented supporting cast.

But he didn't do well in Arizona. Anyone here think the Cardinals offense is on par with the Vikings talentwise?

Let's see what Kyler Murray does with Arizona down the stretch. I have feeling his numbers won't look that much better than what Dobbs mustered. In his first game against Falcons he had a 71 QB rating, 0 tds, and 1 int. So its not like he did much better than Dobbs thus far.

The Cardinals were just a really bad situation. Bad o-line, bad receivers, lack of great offensive coaching, etc. Also James Connor was hurt for those 4 games Dobbs stunk it up. I think once its put in it's proper context people will realize what Dobbs did with Arizona was actually not bad.

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Post by whoskmoon on Nov 16, 2023 21:47:49 GMT -6

Nov 16, 2023 21:14:30 GMT -6 dobbs4mvp said:

Nov 16, 2023 21:02:21 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

But he didn't do well in Arizona. Anyone here think the Cardinals offense is on par with the Vikings talentwise?

Let's see what Kyler Murray does with Arizona down the stretch. I have feeling his numbers won't look that much better than what Dobbs mustered. In his first game against Falcons he had a 71 QB rating, 0 tds, and 1 int. So its not like he did much better than Dobbs thus far.

The Cardinals were just a really bad situation. Bad o-line, bad receivers, lack of great offensive coaching, etc. Also James Connor was hurt for those 4 games Dobbs stunk it up. I think once its put in it's proper context people will realize what Dobbs did with Arizona was actually not bad.

I think you would have to be pretty oblivious to not understand that Dobbs has a lot more to work with here in MN than he did in AZ, but I also think that the line, receivers and system he has here might be one of the reasons people would be nervous about extending Dobbs beyond this year.

Is it the QB making the team better or is it the team making the QB better? SBs are won with the first, they are usually pipe dreams with the second.

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Post by suncoastvike on Nov 17, 2023 5:26:14 GMT -6

Nov 16, 2023 21:47:49 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

Nov 16, 2023 21:14:30 GMT -6 dobbs4mvp said:

Let's see what Kyler Murray does with Arizona down the stretch. I have feeling his numbers won't look that much better than what Dobbs mustered. In his first game against Falcons he had a 71 QB rating, 0 tds, and 1 int. So its not like he did much better than Dobbs thus far.

The Cardinals were just a really bad situation. Bad o-line, bad receivers, lack of great offensive coaching, etc. Also James Connor was hurt for those 4 games Dobbs stunk it up. I think once its put in it's proper context people will realize what Dobbs did with Arizona was actually not bad.

I think you would have to be pretty oblivious to not understand that Dobbs has a lot more to work with here in MN than he did in AZ, but I also think that the line, receivers and system he has here might be one of the reasons people would be nervous about extending Dobbs beyond this year.

Is it the QB making the team better or is it the team making the QB better? SBs are won with the first, they are usually pipe dreams with the second.

Do you think a trading deadline late pick swap was brought in to improve a team? I think it's way too early to be saying extension. He's on a 7 game tryout. Then he's probably only won a bridge job.

The thing I like and what could be incredibly fun going forward is watching a team that totally frustrates opponents with unpredictability. The defense is a hard read for offenses now Dobbs can bring this to the offense. I'm not foolish enough to say they are a playoff threat but like another thread asks. Could we be a dangerous team? Seems the unpredictability of this team could surprise some better teams. It's what I hope for. If nothing the season is still interesting and I'm not sure I felt that way 2 weeks ago.

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Is there a QB debate? Nov 17, 2023 7:59:16 GMT -6

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Post by andhesloose28 on Nov 17, 2023 7:59:16 GMT -6

Heres my take. Dobbs is first of all far from playing perfect ball anyway so not quite sure why ppl are saying "doubt he can keep this up". I would like him to improve if anything not keep it up. His athletic ability has kept him around which is awesome and a breathe of fresh air. He seems calculated when he does it and is looking to pass first, which again I love. Ppl saying a 29 year old journeyman, but if you dig deeper where he was he never really had a legit shot till last year in Tennessee those last two games. Again under a defensive coach , Vrabel. Ppl can debate that all they want but im still looking at this year as Dobbs first true shot with the Cards and Vikings. This isnt your typical backup QB. His story is yet to be told we will see how it plays out.

What I am beyond excited for is KOC with an actual good high drafted prospect. That should be everyone's focus. I have seen enough to confidently say I trust Kevin to identify and develop that guy. If you would want to go back to a 36 year old immobile Kirk Cousins next year after watching these last few games with a guy that can move I honestly have no interest in your judgment of the game. Im not saying I would sign Dobbs but I think the clear path to go is a high drafted prospect Kevin picks.

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Post by Will on Nov 17, 2023 7:59:55 GMT -6

Dobbs is getting love from people who know football. I knew nothing about him before the ATL game. After a rough start, he made plays with his legs, his arm, and his head. He did the same against the 'Aints.

Despite not knowing the offense or practicing it much, he seems to pick things up quickly. He is smart, and those smarts are a huge asset for a QB. He may not have Cousins' accuracy, but he has made some great throws. He looks off defenders to help guys get open. He seems to fit the KO passing scheme. And the guy moves and throws well in the pocket and on the run. Finally, defenders struggle to tackle him in the pocket, on scrambles, and when he runs. He is strong, fast, and elusive. How many first round QB picks have all of these qualities?

Like all QBs he needs to stay healthy and learn the Vikings offense. He and KO will need to overcome the adjustments and schemes that defenses throw at him. Will they? It sure seems possible. He sure seems a lot better than we expected, and it is likely that he can be more of a threat as he learns the Offense and get to throw to JJ. It seems possible that the season is not lost without Cousins. And with his mobility, the team may be more competitive with Dobbs than with Cousins. Who would have thought that after Dobbs fumbled against Atlanta? Could the Vikings have found their next QB at the trade deadline?

We'll find out how he does in Denver against a good defense. It may be that the Vikings offense is more challenging with a great receiver corps, Dobbs and Chandler. Instead of writing off the season, the Vikings are now quite entertaining!

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Post by PurpleFloyd on Nov 17, 2023 8:00:41 GMT -6

Nov 16, 2023 20:54:41 GMT -6 dobbs4mvp said:

Nov 16, 2023 6:35:59 GMT -6 PurpleFloyd said:

But he had shots with multiple teams. You left Brett Favre in the list as well since he went from Atlanta to GB. But none of them started on others teams rosters and then were traded after seeing playing time.

Hopefully he does become a great player for us but making a comparison to those players is a bit silly.

I don't consider practice reps to be a true shot. Sure lots of teams have had him in camp. But what makes Dobbs special is his mobility. And that's very tough to simulate in practice because you can't touch the QB.

Here's a little nugget for those that didn't follow Dobbs in college. It took circumstances similar to this for him to get his opportunity at Tennessee. Despite being a 4-star recruit, Dobbs was 3rd on the depth chart his sophomore season behind a guy named Justin Worley (who never played in the NFL) and Nathan Peterman (yes that Nathan Peterman who has some of the worst stats in NFL history for a guy whose started multiple games). Despite Tennessee struggling badly to start that season Vols head coach Butch Jones remained unwilling to let Dobbs start. Most of the fan base started to assume that Dobbs must stink if he couldn't beat out Worley and Peterman (who were awful). Then during the lead-up to the annual showdown against Alabama the two QBs ahead of Dobbs on the depth chart come down with injuries. Butch Jones has no choice but to play Dobbs against Alabama. Dobbs plays like a star that game and almost pulls off the huge upset. He's named the starter after that performance then starts tearing it up down the stretch. He had an epic 300 yard passing 150 yard rushing and 5 TD performance against South Carolina in a come from behind victory.

His play was so good to end that season that everyone who follows Tennessee football and the SEC started to ask why he wasn't the starter to begin with. And why it took injuries for him to get a shot. Word started to come out that Dobbs wasn't exactly the best practice player but when the lights were on he was a gamer. I don't think that is the case. I just think Dobbs skills are magnified in real game situations more than practice. The things that make Dobbs special are his mobility in addition to his passing. If you take away his running then it's easy to see how some teams could overlook him based on practice reps.

All in all, this is actually Dobbs first true opportunity to show the NFL what he's got. It's the first time he's gotten extended snaps in real game situations with a talented supporting cast.

If he was “special“as in worthy of being a franchise QB then he had opportunity in Cleveland, Detroit, Tennessee and Arizona to lock up the job.

If he had some elite skills that you are saying he has certainty one of those teams would have at a minimum kept him as a backup to their starter and wouldn’t have released or traded him.

I don’t want to come across as negative on him because I hope he becomes our starter for years as that would mean we aren’t wasting effort trying to draft a replacement. But I’m also realistic and I’m not going to crown him yet.

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Nov 15, 2023 21:22:39 GMT -6 dobbs4mvp said:

The hope is now that with a genius coach like Kevin O'Connell and a talented supporting cast that those inconsistencies decrease and he starts playing up to what his talent level says he is. Make no mistake this guy has talent.

First off, welcome to Purple Pain. Please stick around. I appreciate your love for Dobbs and your ability to contribute there. I'll say this as someone who has watched KOC closely for 2 seasons now. I question the highlighted part of your quote. :)

KOC has shown some things that I really like, but there are other things that he's been repeatedly excoriated for on this board like the inability to adjust, running backs not suited to our line blocking scheme, etc... heck, I'll just say our running game in general... and that is really going to hamper Dobbs... because while I like his ability to scramble, he's going to spend time on the IR as long as we have crap from a running game. Yeah, there's some serious firepower on this offense, and the line is really starting to gel and giving him some time... so to your point, any QB is in a position to succeed. But I'd say the book is still out on KOC.. I do hope he's the QB whisperer, because he does seem to get more out of his QBs, Cousins being a good example of that.

Nov 16, 2023 21:14:30 GMT -6 dobbs4mvp said:

Let's see what Kyler Murray does with Arizona down the stretch. I have feeling his numbers won't look that much better than what Dobbs mustered. In his first game against Falcons he had a 71 QB rating, 0 tds, and 1 int. So its not like he did much better than Dobbs thus far.

AZ won last week against a playoff pretender/contender that should have blown them out... not to state the obvious, but I don't think Dobbs was leading them to victory. To be clear, I was very against the idea of Murray coming here (still am for reasons of cost alone), but there is a talent gap there that I don't think many would dispute, which is why Murray went one overall and Dobbs went in the 4th round, much like Cousins. That talent needs developing. Can KOC do that here? Maybe. Would I be opposed to Dobbs getting a bridge QB trial with a potential longer-term option if he can beat out the guy we draft? Not at all. The biggest competitive advantage in football right now is a cheap QB that performs reasonably well, so if Dobbs can do it, we can build one heck of a team using the cost savings to lock in stars at other positions.

Nov 17, 2023 7:59:16 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

What I am beyond excited for is KOC with an actual good high drafted prospect. That should be everyone's focus. I have seen enough to confidently say I trust Kevin to identify and develop that guy.

Something I've been kind of ruminating on... KOC was a QB that failed in the NFL... KOC was a very smart QB... KOC is looking for a QB a lot like himself... hopefully with some differences and hopefully trying to give said QB the opportunity he never got.

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Nov 17, 2023 8:31:29 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

hopefully with some differences and hopefully trying to give said QB the opportunity he never got.

I think Kevin realized early on he just didnt have the physical tools and ability to play the position thats why he got into coaching early. Hopefully he doesnt want a QB like himself lol I think the dream is he is the brains for that said QB, which he is pretty much what he is doing with Dobbs. Interesting what your saying of wanting a QB like himself, because of how highly he speaks of Kirk, I hope most of it is media BS because Kevin is a very good speaker and is never going to throw anyone under the bus. I think kevin is a smart guy and seeing what he is doing with Dobbs he should be striving for a guy a lot more talented than Kirk that he can mold and work with.

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Nov 17, 2023 8:00:41 GMT -6 PurpleFloyd said:

If he was “special“as in worthy of being a franchise QB then he had opportunity in Cleveland, Detroit, Tennessee and Arizona to lock up the job.

This makes the assumption that all Coaches and teams are the same. And they of course are not. Just because a QB doesn't do well on one team doesn't mean he will do the same on another. And vice-versa. Look how well Keenum did in MN. So what happened to his greatness when he went to Denver? QB's and Coaches have to be the right fit. Brady on any other team than the Pats when he started is out of football in 4 years.

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Post by Jor-El on Nov 17, 2023 9:25:26 GMT -6

This is going back to a tangent from a few pages ago, but someone asked if the Vikings have ever (at least before KOC) had a "QB Whisperer". I and many others argued for Denny Green.

But it ocurred to me that we may have overlooked Pat Shurmur. His overall track record is spotty, but with the Vikings he had a couple of very QB-friendly accomplishments:

1. Shades of 5-Day Dobbs in Atlanta, Shurmur got Sam Bradford ready to play - tremendously against the Packers - in barely a week. He did a nice job with Bradford throughout 2016 even as the team fell apart around them. Now, I don't think that was as impressive as what KOC did with Dobbs because Shurmur and Bradford had been together before, and reportedly Shurmur changed the Vikings' playbook for Bradford's benefit, but still, pretty impressive on short notice.

2. Shurmur was a big part of the 2017 Case Keenum show. I think we are all hoping that's what KOC and Dobbs are putting together for us this year, hopefully with a better ending.

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Nov 17, 2023 8:51:52 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Nov 17, 2023 8:00:41 GMT -6 PurpleFloyd said:

If he was “special“as in worthy of being a franchise QB then he had opportunity in Cleveland, Detroit, Tennessee and Arizona to lock up the job.

This makes the assumption that all Coaches and teams are the same. And they of course are not. Just because a QB doesn't do well on one team doesn't mean he will do the same on another. And vice-versa. Look how well Keenum did in MN. So what happened to his greatness when he went to Denver? QB's and Coaches have to be the right fit. Brady on any other team than the Pats when he started is out of football in 4 years.

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I would say "you can't be serious" but I won't, because I know you are.

I don't know why you had to go and ruin a valid point, that a good coach-qb match can be important, with such exaqgerated silliness.

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Nov 17, 2023 9:31:04 GMT -6 Oracle Bone Diviner said:

I don't know why you had to go and ruin a valid point, that a good coach-qb match can be important, with such exaqgerated silliness.

Yup. Because in your mind it is. Show me another QB that has more than half his games in his first 4 years where he only has to score 20 points a game to win. Wait, I can, Joe Montana.

Here's how good Brady is. In his first 4 years in games, the defense gave up between 20 and 30 points. Brady went 8-9.
For the record, in his first 4 years in games in which the defense gave up between 20 and 30 points, Cousins was 13-9-1.
A .500 record is pretty much the norm for QBs when the defense gives up between 20 and 30 points. Doesn't matter who the QB is. Pick one. 85% is about the norm for QBs when the defense gives up 19 points or less. And when you have so many games under 19, well it tends to make the QB look better than what he really is. But what do I know? Take any QB and crunch the numbers.

I'm not saying Brady wasn't a good QB. But he wasn't the QB everyone thinks he was. He was a good QB on good teams.

But, but, but, the great Brady. Very few QBs end up on a team where the defense gives up less than 20 points a game for 59% of their games. And makes it a hell of a lot easier to win. But those that do, are considered great QBs. They get the credit. Not the defense. Starr, Tarkington, Bradshaw, Unitas, Montana, Young, Brady. All won with top defenses.

But Raptor, the QB drives the defense. Yeah, no. If that's the case. Explain why Starr didn't make the Packer's defense better in his first five years. Explain why Tarkenton didn't make the Viking's defense better before he was traded and why he didn't make the defense in New York better. Explain why the Packer defense under Rodgers and Favre wasn't better.

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Nov 13, 2023 15:43:11 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

If Kevin can mold a 29 year old journeyman QB who was a 4th Round pick into a serviceable Starter why stop there?

This is a serious question. Imagine what he could do with someone much younger with a higher ceiling. That would cost far less than the 25m floated here for Dobbs. Someone more accurate with a better arm and equal athleticism.

A bridge QB would be nice but O'Connell believed he could get John Wolford to produce well enough to save the season before he declared he wanted to stay on the Bucs Practice Squad. And he got Dobbs ready in a jiffy.

Perhaps a bridge QB isn't even necessary.

Nov 13, 2023 16:08:40 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

For me, it's literally whatever O'Connell wants. He worked with Kirk's strengths and weaknesses. He's adapted to Dobbs fast and was confident he could spin up Wolford fast.

If he's banging the table for Penix/McCarthy/Nix I am all for giving him what he wants. He's earned it. On the flip side, if he wants Daniels or Travis I'm good with that too. Though I'd prefer to trade back into the late 1st so I get that extra year option on the Rookie Contract.

Absolutely agree with these takes. The takeaway from the last few weeks isn't that we should overpay a guy who has only had real success here in this system for 2 games (and counting). It's that in such a short time KOC and this system/surrounding talent set up a replacement level QB to have this type of success. Major shoutout to Dobbs, I am not trying to take his shine away or downplay how great he has been. I hope he keeps it up all season and gets that type of contract elsewhere. He probably has more talent than he was initially given credit for even if it isn't likely to be sustained at this level (his accuracy being so much higher seems a bit fluky for example). We clearly have a great situation for any QB to come into though and KOC seems to be able to have success with multiple guys (even Hall started solid as 5th round rookie before injury).

Nov 15, 2023 17:41:56 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Give me the cheap bridge QB over the expensive one - Keenum for one year at his original $2M over the $25M he got for one year in Denver... no thanks!

Fully agree with this too. Draft the rookie KOC wants and go with the best bridge QB you can get very cheap. Obviously you want to hit on the rookie QB but another main point of going the rookie QB route is to take advantage of that rookie contract. You don't waste 25 million for what you are hoping is going to be the backup QB just in case. That's enough for multiple good defensive players or even an elite pass rusher.