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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 13:42:00 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan, comet52, and 3 more like this

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Post by Uncle on Oct 31, 2023 13:42:00 GMT -6

As far as how high of a Compensatory Pick Cleveland could have fetched for Minnesota in 2025, here are some comparable free agent deals in the 2022 offseason:

- Austin Corbett signed a 3-yr, $26.25m ($8.75m per yr) deal with Carolina on 3/16/22; the Panthers received a 5th Rd compensatory pick in 2023
- Mason Cole signed a 3-yr, $15.75m ($5.25m per yr) deal with Pittsburgh on 3/14/22; the Vikings received a 6th Rd compensatory pick in 2023

If Minnesota would have kept Ezra and he signed a $7-9m per yr deal elsewhere in the 2024 offseason, the Vikings would have possibly received a 5th Rd pick in 2025. If he would have signed a deal closer to the $5m per-yr range, it would have been a 6th in 2025.

The fact the Vikings received a 6th back is slightly disappointing since I think it's possible Ezra could fetch $7-9m per yr on the open market (he's probably in the Austin Corbett ballpark) and they could have received a 5th back in 2025 instead of a 6th in 2024...

...but, the other part of compensatory picks is that in order to get them, you can't sign any other free agent in the offseason to cancel it out, and the Vikings will probably be signing a few free agent deals in the 2024 offseason given the holes on their roster and it's likely one of them would have voided out Ezra's 5th or 6th in 2025.

So knowing that the compensatory pick would have likely been voided anyway and facing the prospect of not getting anything back for Ezra, it's not too bad to get a 6th in 2024 now...

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 13:52:58 GMT -6 via mobile legendsofthenorth likes this

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Oct 31, 2023 13:42:00 GMT -6 Uncle said:

As far as how high of a Compensatory Pick Cleveland could have fetched for Minnesota in 2025, here are some comparable free agent deals in the 2022 offseason:

- Austin Corbett signed a 3-yr, $26.25m ($8.75m per yr) deal with Carolina on 3/16/22; the Panthers received a 5th Rd compensatory pick in 2023
- Mason Cole signed a 3-yr, $15.75m ($5.25m per yr) deal with Pittsburgh on 3/14/22; the Vikings received a 6th Rd compensatory pick in 2023

If Minnesota would have kept Ezra and he signed a $7-9m per yr deal elsewhere in the 2024 offseason, the Vikings would have possibly received a 5th Rd pick in 2025. If he would have signed a deal closer to the $5m per-yr range, it would have been a 6th in 2025.

The fact the Vikings received a 6th back is slightly disappointing since I think it's possible Ezra could fetch $7-9m per yr on the open market (he's probably in the Austin Corbett ballpark) and they could have received a 5th back in 2025 instead of a 6th in 2024...

...but, the other part of compensatory picks is that in order to get them, you can't sign any other free agent in the offseason to cancel it out, and the Vikings will probably be signing a few free agent deals in the 2024 offseason given the holes on their roster and it's likely one of them would have voided out Ezra's 5th or 6th in 2025.

So knowing that the compensatory pick would have likely been voided anyway and facing the prospect of not getting anything back for Ezra, it's not too bad to get a 6th in 2024 now...

The Vikings likely could trade this 6th round pick for what would end up being a higher 5th round pick in 2025 if they wanted too.

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 14:48:35 GMT -6 FSUVike likes this

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Oct 31, 2023 13:52:58 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

The Vikings likely could trade this 6th round pick for what would end up being a higher 5th round pick in 2025 if they wanted too.

Honestly, they should do that more often. I always wonder why Rick didn't do that with his massive amounts of picks. I realize you need takers on the other side, but that strikes me as a way to have a nice pipeline of mid-round picks at one point, and the way Rick acquired late round picks, he could have done this in perpetuity.

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 15:33:24 GMT -6

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Oct 31, 2023 14:48:35 GMT -6 diehardtwinsfan said:

Oct 31, 2023 13:52:58 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

The Vikings likely could trade this 6th round pick for what would end up being a higher 5th round pick in 2025 if they wanted too.

Honestly, they should do that more often. I always wonder why Rick didn't do that with his massive amounts of picks. I realize you need takers on the other side, but that strikes me as a way to have a nice pipeline of mid-round picks at one point, and the way Rick acquired late round picks, he could have done this in perpetuity.

Spielman did it once and it worked out well, at least in terms of draft capital. I think I have a chart somewhere.... ah, here it is.

Trading a 3rd for a 6th and a future 3rd and 4th, and the Dolphins got a WR who did absolutely nothing. Of course, it's also dependent on other teams wanting to spend future capital on lesser present picks.

newvikingsjersey Rookie Posts: 237 Likes: 143 Fan Since: 1969	Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 17:29:07 GMT -6 gophersturf10 and newvikingsjersey like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by newvikingsjersey on Oct 31, 2023 17:29:07 GMT -6 I don't get this one.The Vikings have an average O line and this just weakens the depth more.

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 18:54:39 GMT -6 suncoastvike, Josey Wales, and 1 more like this

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Post by Ted Glover on Oct 31, 2023 18:54:39 GMT -6

Only thing I don't like this is that it weakens overall depth. Cleveland wasn't coming back, as it has been reported he wants to play T.

Vikes weren't goinng to franchise him, and the comp pick would be voided if they sign a guy in FA to replace him.

Meh, I would've preferred a fifth, but this isn't the end of the world.

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 20:37:51 GMT -6 via mobile gophersturf10 likes this

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Post by johngilliamfan on Oct 31, 2023 20:37:51 GMT -6

We've been begging for an offensive line forever. We finally get one with a little depth and trade it away. I don't get it. Of it's pending free agency, find a better trade than this. Pittman is unhappy in indy and a free agent at end if year too. Maybe trade for him. How good would JJ, Addison, Pittman, and Hock look? I could qb that team

gophersturf10 Starter Posts: 537 Likes: 203	Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 20:43:37 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by gophersturf10 on Oct 31, 2023 20:43:37 GMT -6 You got clowns running the show. That has to win the stupidest trade in a long time.

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 23:27:30 GMT -6

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Oct 31, 2023 18:54:39 GMT -6 Ted Glover said:

Only thing I don't like this is that it weakens overall depth. Cleveland wasn't coming back, as it has been reported he wants to play T.

Vikes weren't goinng to franchise him, and the comp pick would be voided if they sign a guy in FA to replace him.

Meh, I would've preferred a fifth, but this isn't the end of the world.

Risner is the LG now and that's ok. Cleveland wasn't a Randall McDaniel or Steve Hutchinson caliber guard so why not trade him? We have 2 of the best tackles so see ya Ezra. Good luck with your new team. Jacksonville/Carolina 6th is close to being a late 5th??

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Oct 31, 2023 23:33:05 GMT -6 via mobile

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Oct 31, 2023 18:54:39 GMT -6 Ted Glover said:

Only thing I don't like this is that it weakens overall depth. Cleveland wasn't coming back, as it has been reported he wants to play T.

Vikes weren't goinng to franchise him, and the comp pick would be voided if they sign a guy in FA to replace him.

Meh, I would've preferred a fifth, but this isn't the end of the world.

I thought overall value of picks traded back were low this year compared to past years.

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Nov 1, 2023 5:54:53 GMT -6 lostdonkey likes this

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We turned a 4M signing into a guaranteed 6th this off season. If Cleveland walks, we don't know what we get in 2025, and it's most likely cancelled out by whatever FA we sign (and I'm guessing we'll be signing a few since we have cap space). Could we have gotten a 5th in 25? possibly. Would it have been cancelled out by a FA signing? Likely. Plus we carry injury risk and get cap relief losing the remaining balance of Cleveland's salary. This is a bird in hand/2 in the bush situation.

I consider that a win. Kwesi has faults, but he's fixing one of Rick's biggest messes.

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Cleveland Traded to Jacksonville Nov 1, 2023 10:38:54 GMT -6

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PFF - 2023 NFL trade deadline tracker: Grades for every deal

MINNESOTA VIKINGS G EZRA CLEVELAND → JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

Trade compensation: Sixth-round pick

Jaguars: Good

Many expected the Jaguars to add pass-rush help, but this is a sharp move in the meantime. Jaguars guard/tackle Walker Little has dealt with a few injuries this season, as has veteran right guard Brandon Scherff, so the team gets great swing guard depth here to protect Trevor Lawrence in case it becomes necessary. Cleveland was also a tackle in college if that comes into play, though we’d imagine Little will be the reserve swing tackle.

Cleveland is earning a career-high 72.3 pass-blocking grade so far in 2023 but has yet to hit a 55.0 mark for a full season, which is the reason this trade compensation is so little despite his solid grading profile this year. Cleveland has four straight seasons of earning run-blocking grades of 67.5 or better and over 3,000 snaps of experience on his rookie contract. The former second-round pick is a great depth piece for Jacksonville going forward.

Vikings: Below average

Cleveland was replaced in the starting lineup by veteran Dalton Risner, who is not quite as good of a run-blocker in space but is a far superior pass-blocker who also brings a nastiness and edge to his game.

Nonetheless, a sixth-round pick and nothing else from a legitimate Super Bowl contender for a starting-caliber guard, even in a contract year, is a fairly underwhelming return for Minnesota.