Vikings Legend Signing with Texans

I was kinda saying that Shurmur's departure was a big deal, but...yeah, ok....

Sure, as a cheap backup qb he couldn’t lift us to Super Bowl level but as was pointed out he did still get us to the nfc championship game. It was an impressive year given the situation. Still furthest a Vikings team has made it since Favre.

We paid up big time to improve the position from him and it really didn’t drastically change where the offense was relative to the league. He had us at 8th in the league in ppg, that level has only been reached once the last 5 seasons since.

Ya and despite that poor oline (which added oneill the following year actually), the offense lead by keenum still was ranked that high. Elflein, compton, I think hill played a fair amount that year etc but he didn’t need excuses. Cook was even out most of it.

Throwing more tds isn’t nearly as important as running an offense efficiently. Blake bortles threw like 35 one year. Cousins is a better volume thrower no doubt but he hasn’t elevated the offense despite that like I was saying. Situational football and mobility and pocket presence might not show up in the box score in the same way but it’s very important for an offense all the same.

I would much rather have an offense putting up points at a higher rate than a qb throwing more tds. If we get in position to score more often but run it instead that doesn’t matter much to me at all.

Yes, it was. It was ranked 10th. The defense however was ranked 1st. The last time that happened was in 1970 and 1971 when Grant was coach, and we had the great QBs of Bob Lee and Gary Cuzzo. The funny thing, they both had winning records during those two years. MN went 23-5 over those two years. And lost the Division game both years.

Yup, Cousins hasn't done much better on offense than Keenum. Top 20 scoring offenses in Vikings history. FWIW, the Packers since 1992 when Favre started have averaged 25 ppg on offense.   And the only two Super Bowls they won in that time period were when their defense gave up 13.3 an 15.0 ppg.   But, it's all on the QB, right?   So, I'll stand by my statement, Keenum couldn't get it done.   But he was better than Cousins.  Yeah, okay. 

So you are telling that if any Vikings quarterback takes the Vikings to the NFC Championship, he is a legend already?

Case is not a Vikings legend and will never be, that is just my opinion

I mean that every year the league has different scoring outputs across the board and before you didn’t account for pace either lol. Basic context is important with stats.

What you are pointing out is true but at the same time what I said is also true because relative to the league and when factoring in pace the offense ranked higher with keenum all but one of the last 5 years rankings since. It’s not new math at all, it’s simply using common sense and context when looking at the numbers. You shared a list of scoring totals as if that is even remotely relevant to my point of how good the offense was relative to the rest of the league that season.

People look at QBs like the biggest piece of the puzzle because they are lol. It’s widely agreed on among people that follow the sport. No one has ever said they are the only factor doing it on their own, it’s just strawman bs you regularly pull (and have even admitted it). Offensive ppd matters way more than defensive ppd if you are only talking about how the offense performed with different QBs, which was my point.

No matter how angry it makes the cousins defenders what was said is completely true. For that reason I’m happy keenum got another contract and look back on that season a bit fonder than others the last decade like I said. There is no reason not to appreciate the year he had here in that situation.