Ratings In The Gutter

At the risk of sounding like a broken record ...


Thanks for proving my point. If you can make rich white CEO's more money or provide some sort of value, they're going to hire you regardless of your skin color or what's between your legs.


And what feelings would those be? My posts on this subject are littered with facts that I've yet to see anyone debunk or even acknowledge. I point out the actual problems in the black community because nobody else does, and that makes it seem like I'm some sort of racist who's against blacks. Meanwhile those of you who continue to ignore how blacks are responsible for a lot of their own socioeconomic problems, are guilty of the soft bigotry of low expectations. It's not bad or racist to point out how a minority group is failing in certain areas, it should actually be helpful.


People keep telling me that, but I'm still not seeing any examples of where the black community lacks opportunity or is being held back merely for the color of their skin. You're ignoring my vast cadre of evidence that shows how the black community could help itself if it would only eliminate the self inflicted problems that I've listed. Things that would immediately improve their condition without having to blame white people.


This is just blaming whites for being successful on average. You're saying it's gotta be the system, instead of looking at what the black community is doing wrong in comparison to white communities. I notice nobody is comparing asian communities to whites or blacks. What are the asians doing differently than blacks that allow them to be on average more successful than whites in their own system of white privilege? Could it be because they value an education, don't have a 75% single mother household problem, have fathers who stick around to help raise their own children and instill discipline, that they don't have more kids than they can afford, and they're not out committing a disproportionately high amount of crime? Maybe it's the lack of gangs they join? Maybe it's because they don't have a culture that glorifies the thug life or criminal activity? So lets look at the facts, this is black culture and they're coincidentally the only group of people struggling to keep up with everyone else. Really? You don't see a problem here? Do you believe if blacks had the same values as asians that they'd still be facing the same problems? Why are asians, including Indians who have dark skin, and Nigerian immigrants, on average doing better than whites? Why do they seem to be immune to all this white privilege?


Nobody is against their right to peacefully protest, it's what they're protesting against that's rubbing people wrong. Just a bit hypocritical to use the rights the system provides as a shield to rail against that very system don't you think lol? Perhaps they'd be more comfortable in another system. Maybe one that doesn't allow them to peacefully protest? They're free to go play football for millions of dollars in billion dollar cathedrals in front of millions of fans who pay $100's to watch them over in the National African Football League. A place where I'm almost positive they won't be bothered by any white privilege or systemic racism or have to be worried about being unjustly targeted. Oh wait.


Lol talk about feels before facts. Quick history lesson, whites didn't invent slavery nor did they just head on over to Africa to kidnap a bunch of Africans to make them come over and pick cotton. No, there was a slave trade already taking place long before whites got involved, and it was a global operation. Africans were trading their own people to slave traders for goods and services. Arabs were the primary buyers of slaves. Ohhh but guess which group of people fought and died to abolish slavery? That's right, it was those evil whites. Hey and guess who's still selling their own people into slavery today? Yep the Africans. And guess who's still buying? Arabs and other Africans. Weird how we never hear about that though. Nah we got a narrative to maintain. It's still those white devils who get vilified for slavery like they invented the practice and were the only ones ever to partake.

And another one of those pesky facts that might hurt your little narrative there, less than 2% of whites in the US ever owned slaves. It was primarily rich plantation owners. Slavery actually hurt your average working class whites because guess who picked that cotton before slavery came along? Not to mention how a great deal of whites, including my own ancestors, migrated here to the US after the practice of slavery had ended. But maybe plan B would have been best for the freed slaves, where ol Abe Lincoln thought about sending all the slaves back to Africa after the war, where they would have re-entered the slave trade. So no condemnation of Africans for their role in selling and enslaving their own people? Still to this day?

But I digress ... I'm still waiting for examples of opportunities blacks are denied in this country. I see lots of excuses. Have there been any indictments or even charges filed against the main players in this illegal system of racism I hear so much about? I mean it's so prevalent after all so it should be easy to find some examples. I've listed a bunch of privileges that blacks benefit from. Now why would such a system of racism afford blacks all these opportunities and for them alone? How is the system undermining black people while it goes out of it's way to give them a leg up? It's confusing. There's an undeniable lack of asians in the NFL but you don't see any Rooney rule or diversity program to help get them more involved.

You're just another feels before facts guy who gets equal opportunity confused with equal outcome. You don't see the latter despite the former, so it's gotta be that racist system and not any of the problems I've listed spanning several posts/topics now. Problems that everyone keeps ignoring as if we shouldn't be able to expect them to adversely affect a group of people. The soft bigotry of low expectations as I call it. That's the PC society we live in, where it's racist to even point things out that don't exactly reflect well on the black community, and maybe that's the biggest problem of all? I get called a racist for even asking why blacks commit 53% of the murders and 50% of the violent crime while only making up 13% of the population. How does more murder and violence help someones socioeconomic condition? I'll wait for the excuses. The soft bigotry of low expectations.

"Thanks for proving my point. If you can make rich white CEO's more money or provide some sort of value, they're going to hire you regardless of your skin color or what's between"

Yup, unfortuantly athletics and rap music is the only viable way to do so, considering the educational opportunities (Which is what usually provides employees with aforementioned value) and job opportunities available to blacks in such socioeconomically disadvantaged areas are few and far between.


"And what feelings would those be? My posts on this subject are littered with facts that I've yet to see anyone debunk or even acknowledge. I point out the actual problems in the black community because nobody else does, and that makes it seem like I'm some sort of racist who's against blacks. Meanwhile those of you who continue to ignore how blacks are responsible for a lot of their own socioeconomic problems, are guilty of the soft bigotry of low expectations. It's not bad or racist to point out how a minority group is failing in certain areas, it should actually be helpful."

Your desire to absolve the ruling elite of this country from their hand in the distinct sociological and economic disdvantages that blacks from low income areas face.

I am well aware of the problems in black communities, but also aware that this is due to the vast educational, sociological and economic disadvantages blacks from black communities face.


"People keep telling me that, but I'm still not seeing any examples of where the black community lacks opportunity or is being held back merely for the color of their skin. You're ignoring my vast cadre of evidence that shows how the black community could help itself if it would only eliminate the self inflicted problems that I've listed. Things that would immediately improve their condition without having to blame white people"


The black community faces many distinict disadvantages. The distinct lack of job opportunities present within them (The few jobs that are available to them typically arent well payed), the distinct lack of educational opportunities, (Not many universities, tech schools or community colleges) the elemantaries and high schools that exist within them are typically poorly maintained and poorly staffed. The fact that police dont respond to crime that exists within them due to not having the resources or time to effectively combat the inordinate amount of crime within them. (Which exists because of aforementioned educational and socioeconomic disadvantages) the reason for these stark socioeconomic and educational disadvantages is 200 hundred years of systematic economic, vocational, and sociological oppression.

One quote specifically id like to address.

"You're ignoring my vast cadre of evidence that shows how the black community could help itself if it would only eliminate the self inflicted problems that I've listed. "

Your essentially telling an entire group of people to simply transcend their socioeconomic status. Why do you think crime is so bad in black communities? What jobs are blacks supposed to get when their community doesnt provide any? What education are blacks supposed to get when their community doesnt provide it? Are they supposed to simply move to an area with more job opportunities and educational institutions? (Assuming said black person was able to get a HSD in his severely inadequate crime ridden highschool) With what money?

It is easy to just declare 'Oh well they should just stop commiting crime' but that is hardly feasible in an area where adequate jobs and educational opportunities are practically non existant. Not to mention, the fact that police dont respond or address crime in such downtrodden neighborhoods, which only served to aggravate the situation.Tell me, would you starve or let your family starve to avoid commiting crime?

"This is just blaming whites for being successful on average" Could whites being succesful on average have anything to do with white communities ample educational and vocational opportunities? And by extension of those educational and vocational opportunities, anything to do with its it significantly less amount of crime? (Compounded by the fact that police still respond to crime in those areas)

"You're saying it's gotta be the system, instead of looking at what the black community is doing wrong in comparison to white communities." White communities have no reason to be as bad as black communitues, they actually have educational opportunities and job opportunities, in addition to an active policeforce.

"I notice nobody is comparing asian communities to whites or blacks. What are the asians doing differently than blacks that allow them to be on average more successful than whites in their own system of white privilege?" Asian communities havent been systematically vocationally and educationally oppressed for hundreds of years, neither has the racial tension between white and asiand ever been as high between whites and blacks. (Which in turn, only exasperates the stark disadvantages listed above, in addition to feuling large amounts if black vs white violence and the like)

"Could it be because they value an education, don't have a 75% single mother household problem, have fathers who stick around to help raise their own children and instill discipline, that they don't have more kids than they can afford, and they're not out committing a disproportionately high amount of crime?"

Yes,that is exactly why. Thats what educational and vocational opportunity can do for a community. You seem to not be grasping the issue here. Blacks have a disportportionate amount of crime because they hold a dispositionately low socioeconomic status.

"Maybe it's the lack of gangs they join?"

Yup, no reason for organized crime to take hold when you arent on the receiving end of a disporportinately low socioeconmic status.

"Maybe it's because they don't have a culture that glorifies the thug life or criminal activity? So lets look at the facts, this is black culture and they're coincidentally the only group of people struggling to keep up with everyone else. Really?"

No its no coincidence. Its the affect of hundreds of years of economic, sociological, and educational oppression that has been being perpetuated for hundreds of years. Black culture is a product of that, not the other way around. Black culture as you know it now, is a product of rap music, which has only been around formally since the 80s. I agree that it has been unhelpful, but thats not what put black communities in the low socioeconomic state thet are in today.

It is a proven fact that whites of the same socioeconomic background, and even more specifically, whites from black neighborhoods, fare by and large the same. Likewise, blacks with higher socioeconomic backgrounds fare largely the same as whites from the same background.

"You don't see a problem here?" With your strawman? No, other then it being a strawmam.

"Do you believe if blacks had the same values as asians that they'd still be facing the same problems?"

Once again, its about socioeconomic status, whites from the same socioeconomic fare largely the same as blacks abd vice versa.

"Why are asians, including Indians who have dark skin, and Nigerian immigrants, on average doing better than whites? Why do they seem to be immune to all this white privilege?"

They havent had their communities systematically oppressed in every sense.

"Nobody is against their right to peacefully protest, it's what they're protesting against that's rubbing people wrong."

LOL inequality? Yea, real a$$holes..



"as a shield to rail against that very system don't you think lol? Perhaps they'd be more comfortable in another system."

The same system that put black communities in the situation they are in. You likely expect Native Americans to be fine and dandy with the people who systematically wiped then from their land and took it.

Inequality is something our great Country has been fighting for a long time, your want to believe otherwise is quite intriguing, but historically (and more importantly, socioeconomically and socialogically inept) at best.


"They're free to go play football for millions of dollars in billion dollar cathedrals in front of millions of fans who pay $100's to watch them over in the National African Football League."

Yea, what an easy thing to do! No issue with the vast majority of black people who wont be able to become a professional athletes.

"A place where I'm almost positive they won't be bothered by any white privilege or systemic racism or have to be worried about being unjustly targeted. Oh wait."

Oh gee! See black people! Forget your systematic oppression and hundreds of years of racial injustice,forget your utter lack of educational or work opportunities for the common person, you can just go be a pro athlete!

"Lol talk about feels before facts. Quick history lesson" LOL


"whites didn't invent slavery" Never said so.


"nor did they just head on over to Africa to kidnap a bunch of Africans to make them come over and pick cotton." Incorrect, whites routinely made expedotions to Africa specifically for the purpose of taking slaves.




"No, there was a slave trade already taking place long before whites got involved, and it was a global operation. Africans were trading their own people to slave traders for goods and services."

Africa was pressured into cooperating in the european engineered slave trade through European military might that kept attacking (and wanted to exert control over) Africa and African people.

"Arabs were the primary buyers of slaves."

Indeed, but Arabs slave trade still wasnt race based,there were Arab slaves as well as black. I dont know how it is relevant though as i hardly think Arabs have a society to emulate.

"Ohhh but guess which group of people fought and died to abolish slavery? That's right, it was those evil whites." Noone said whites were evil, captain caricature, but ignoring blatant historical, advantageous oppression doesn't just dissipate because whites aren 'evil'.



"Hey and guess who's still selling their own people into slavery today? Yep the Africans." And this invalidates hundreds of years of historical oppression?

"And guess who's still buying? Arabs and other Africans. Weird how we never hear about that though." Africa is barren, beaten down wasteland where life is fleeting, and everyone is typically trying to survive so its not surprising that grotesque practices such as slavery still continue. Thats the l problem with third world countrues, but I think most would characterize the assumpting that 'They deserve it' as rather crass and uninformed.

"Nah we got a narrative to maintain. It's still those white devils who get vilified for slavery like they invented the practice and were the only ones ever."

I never said that, but that hardly excuses it.


"And another one of those pesky facts that might hurt your little narrative there, less than 2% of whites in the US ever owned slaves."

Not relevant, what is far more relevabt was the number of slaves brought in, which was inordinately high. The entire Southern economy was centered on and relied on slavery, abd the North practiced indentured servanthood which could be argued was as bad as slavery. In addition to our numerous slave owning fore fathers who hypocritically made claims on 'freedom' and 'equality', all the while forgetting to add the qualification that you have to be an acceptable skin color to ever actually see any of your constitutional rights. A trend that has only recently begun to be remedied in typically superficial ways.


"It was primarily rich plantation owners." Who controlled the southern economy, yes.

"Slavery actually hurt your average working class whites because guess who picked that cotton before slavery came along?"

Oh so you have an issue with the white elite? Join the club buddy.

For a while whites were forcibly taking Native Americans and using then to power their plantations, but they ran away too much.

"Not to mention how a great deal of whites, including my own ancestors, migrated here to the US after the practice of slavery had ended."

And they werent subject to the same systematic disadvantage as black communities, Irish and Italians and many others have certainly had their issues due to racism and ignorance but never subjected to the humiliation, violation abd subjugation of blacks and black communities.

"But maybe plan B would have been best for the freed slaves, where ol Abe Lincoln thought about sending all the slaves back to Africa after the war"

How about the constitution's plan A? Where freedom, equality and liberty is given for ALL MEN? Accept subjugation and inequality or leave?

, "where they would have re-entered the slave trade. So no condemnation of Africans for their role in selling and enslaving their own people? Still to this day?"

No, slavery is wrong period, but Africans involvement in American slavery was typically due to do being forced to cooperate in slavery by the Europeans through military might. (Often due to the need for firearms to fend off attacks from other European nations) Africans also havent caused the systematic subjugation of African American people and communities for hundreds of years.


"But I digress ... I'm still waiting for examples of opportunities blacks are denied in this country."

I have given you plenty, blacks were systematically intentionally subjugated economically, educationally, job wise, protection wise, socially, treated wuth ourtright violence, and sheer inequality.

It is this systematic decimation of black communities that has perpetuated the socioecononomic position blacks are in today. Once again, whites, blacks, mexicans, etc. From the same socioeconomic background (whatever it may be) succeed largely the same.

"I see lots of excuses. Have there been any indictments or even charges filed against the main players in this illegal system of racism I hear so much about?"

With football players? Idk, but regular average black males? Yep, black males are stereotyped to extreme levels and thusly often falsely or prematurely indited.

"I mean it's so prevalent after all so it should be easy to find some examples. I've listed a bunch of privileges that blacks benefit from."

I have not seen such a thing. Though the chances it males up for the distinct lack of educational, sociological, and socioeconomic opportunities are rather slim.


"Now why would such a system of racism afford blacks all these opportunities and for them alone?"

If your reffering to the few college grant programs for minorities and things of the like, those are a stark outlier to the sheerly stupifying number of blacks denied opportunities due to socieconmic status imposed upon them and their communities.


"How is the system undermining black people while it goes out of it's way to give them a leg up?"

It doesnt, black people are born in to vastly lower socio economic status. Places where jobs are non existant and pay like sh*t, places where schools are far and few between and the ones that are there suck, places where crime is rampant and gangs roam free, due to the aforementioned disadvantages. The police hardly even attempt to police such disadvantaged neighborhoods, abd certainly don't abswer calls.


"It's confusing. There's an undeniable lack of asians in the NFL but you don't see any Rooney rule or diversity program to help get them more involved."

Asians havent been systematically oppressed in every sense for hundreds of years.

"You're just another feels before facts guy who gets equal opportunity confused with equal outcome."

Or, your just another feels before facts guy who confuses the fact that you havent personally been privy to disadvantage, that you think it doesn't exist.

Again, black communities are not equal in any sense, and most African American people are born into a socioeconomic nightmare. See my numerous other descriptions of what such stark, blatant disadvantages entail.


"You don't see the latter despite the former"
Oh the irony.

"so it's gotta be that racist system and not any of the problems I've listed spanning several posts/topics now."

Every problem you list is a product of a systen of inequality and injustice in regards to black people abd black communities. (Among others, but not to extrene kevel as blacks)

Once again, people from the same socioeconomic status fare largely the same regardless of ethnicity.



"Problems that everyone keeps ignoring as if we shouldn't be able to expect them to adversely affect a group of people."

Not ignoring at all. Im fully aware of the probkens surrounding the black community, you on the ither hagd, are in complete abd utter historical and statistical denial of the cause and underlying reason for those problems. You see the result of systematic oppression and think it just happebed that way at random.

"The soft bigotry of low expectations as I call it."

Id love for blacks to have to live up to higher expectation, that would mean they were privelige to the same educational, economic and protective opportunities white people get that blacks by abd large havebt gotten for hundreds of oppression filled years.

"That's the PC society we live in, where it's racist to even point things out that don't exactly reflect well on the black community,"

I never called you racist, but it is racist to bluntly ignore hundreds of years worth of history because it doesnt reflect well upon the white establishment that has kept black people and black communities at a disproportionate disadvantage.

"and maybe that's the biggest problem of all? I get called a racist for even asking why blacks commit 53% of the murders and 50% of the violent crime while only making up 13% of the population."

The answer is socioeconomic disadvantage. And for not knowing that, you ARE racist. Or at least, according to your professed beliefs.

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noun

a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

Well there you have it, you fail to recognize that the difference between how black communities fare in comparison to white communities (and same with black people in regards to white people) is socioeconomic status, and actually believe it is simply due to whites having better 'values' then blacks, making you by definition, racist.

"How does more murder and violence help someones socioeconomic condition? I'll wait for the excuses. The soft bigotry of low expectations.""

It doesnt, but they wouldnt be in that position if they had any real opportunity, or if they hadnt been systematically unfairly oppressed into a socioeconomic nightmare.

Yes, this Ethiopian came over in 1992 and is now a millionaire;

But hey, blame other people, or pay $25000 into a fund for a cop killer's children, she is in Cuba now. As far as I'm concerned, Kaepernick pushes Communism.

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