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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 15, 2022 15:08:37 GMT -6 Reignman and Krauser like this

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Sept 15, 2022 14:26:53 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Sept 15, 2022 8:39:08 GMT -6 MidwinterViking said:

Everyone: I think it's pretty clear. Stefon Diggs showed up and made Josh Allen really good.

Reality: Josh Allen was looking pretty good before Diggs got there, Hurts still has major questions to answer

People on this forum were going on how about inaccurate Allen was and how disappointed Diggs would be going from Cousins to Allen. Josh was still rough in year 2 (or at least that was my perception around the NFL at the time), but his stats took a major jump forward (17 more TDs, 9.4% more accurate, 6.7 Y/A to 7.9).

I agree with your point that Diggs was not the whole reason why that happened, but it was a big one. I don't expect Hurts to have a meteoric rise like Allen did in Year 3, but I do think his passing numbers will improve having a top 10 WR to throw to, replacing the targets that would have went to Quez Watkins/Jalen Reagor.

Guilt of the same assumption about Josh Allen here. However, narratives are slow to change. Looking back at Allen's stats, it looks like he started to figure things out in the middle of year two. Look at his TD / INT ratio in year 2:

Games 1-5: 5td / 7int
Games 6-15: 15td / 2 int (he mostly sat out game 16)

Around that same time frame, Allen's completion % by game started going into the 60's (sometimes even 70's!) with some regularity; before that he had usually been in the 40's and 50's.

In retrospect, it took an off season and the hype of Diggs arrival for people to take note.

Going over Hurts 2nd year for the Purple Path forward article I was specifically looking for that kind of uptick. I haven't seen that same type of change suggesting he's about to be the next Josh Allen. I'm sure Hurts' totals will be better with be better with AJ Brown, but even in that 38 point explosion he was still just a 56% passer. Right now the eye test matches what those stats are telling me - Hurts is still quick to pull it down and run and libel to have a good number of inaccurate throws.

The running gets him to an acceptable performance level, but I'm not ready to crown him as the next Josh Allen.

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 15, 2022 16:23:45 GMT -6 kmillard, Josey Wales, and 2 more like this

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Post by Funkytown on Sept 15, 2022 16:23:45 GMT -6

Sept 14, 2022 14:09:47 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

They have the better Trenches. By a decent margin. Going to take better execution at every level on both sides of the ball coupled with better Coaching and playing a nearly mistake-free game to win.

This is the kind of stuff I've been seeing all week - Purple Kool-Aid for all:

The Minnesota Vikings face a whole new challenge in Week 2. PFF ranked the Philadelphia Eagles as a top-10 pass rush in Week 1, and they have some mean players on that front seven.

Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, Javon Hargrave, and Josh Sweat are all established veterans familiar with wreaking havoc in both the pass and the run game. Then you have the rookie Jordan Davis, a beast on the field. He might be young, but he earned a spot in their rotation.

I’d be worried if this were last year’s team, but there’s already been a shift this season.

Basically, we can put our feet up, chill, and wait to tune in for the playoffs. The "I don't see a loss on the schedule" is real this season. lol. All is fixed after one week! Super Bowl, homeboy!

In all seriousness, tough opponent on the road in a hostile environment, a team with better/more proven trenches, mobile quarterback, etc. These are the games that worry me most. If we come outta this one with a convincing win, I might take a sip of the Purple Kool-Aid. But after the last two seasons, I'm protecting my feelings a bit more. I need to see more than one good game against a banged-up Packers team. If we win big in Philadelphia though ... ?

*drunk*

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 15, 2022 17:00:44 GMT -6

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Sept 15, 2022 16:23:45 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

In all seriousness, tough opponent on the road in a hostile environment, a team with better/more proven trenches, mobile quarterback, etc.

These tough Monday Night Football games were often lost in the past few years. I'm interested to see how the defense and the offense game-plan against Philly. And in how they adjust. Philly has a great running game with Hurts, and Donatell's light box might seem to favor Philly. And it might not. What is the Donatell / Fangio scheme for a running QB?

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 15, 2022 17:32:33 GMT -6 skolvikes likes this

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Sept 15, 2022 16:23:45 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Sept 14, 2022 14:09:47 GMT -6 FSUVike said:

They have the better Trenches. By a decent margin. Going to take better execution at every level on both sides of the ball coupled with better Coaching and playing a nearly mistake-free game to win.

This is the kind of stuff I've been seeing all week - Purple Kool-Aid for all:

The Minnesota Vikings face a whole new challenge in Week 2. PFF ranked the Philadelphia Eagles as a top-10 pass rush in Week 1, and they have some mean players on that front seven.

Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, Javon Hargrave, and Josh Sweat are all established veterans familiar with wreaking havoc in both the pass and the run game. Then you have the rookie Jordan Davis, a beast on the field. He might be young, but he earned a spot in their rotation.

I’d be worried if this were last year’s team, but there’s already been a shift this season.

Basically, we can put our feet up, chill, and wait to tune in for the playoffs. The "I don't see a loss on the schedule" is real this season. lol. All is fixed after one week! Super Bowl, homeboy!

In all seriousness, tough opponent on the road in a hostile environment, a team with better/more proven trenches, mobile quarterback, etc. These are the games that worry me most. If we come outta this one with a convincing win, I might take a sip of the Purple Kool-Aid. But after the last two seasons, I'm protecting my feelings a bit more. I need to see more than one good game against a banged-up Packers team. If we win big in Philadelphia though ... ?

*drunk*

Winning in Philthy would be a huge statement in many ways. Would narrow the loss rate of Cousins on Monday night, away in a very hostile place, would get us to 2-0, would shut my younger brother and all the eagle fans up for five seconds. Huge stakes!!!

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 15, 2022 17:40:00 GMT -6 Funkytown, FessVike, and 1 more like this

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Post by WisconsinVike on Sept 15, 2022 17:40:00 GMT -6

Purple KoolAid me wants to believe that this is the beginning of something wonderful after the Vikes win against the Wackers,
Realistic me, stung by the harsh reality of being a life long Vikings fan, fears this could just be another typical Viking back to reality check.

I never felt so free -
it was just my dog and me

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 15, 2022 17:42:47 GMT -6 Reignman likes this

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Sept 14, 2022 22:32:51 GMT -6 Reignman said:

I'm just going to go ahead and put this here. *whistle*

Rules is rules.

You might be sharing this for a few weeks.

I even tagged everyone about this, too. This is a forum, guys. Gotta be able to read.

In sum: ideally, game previews would be in the OC forum, and reviews/reactions would be Vikings Talk. We should be using MidwinterViking's Purple Path Forward posts as our pregame discussions leading up to the matchup. I'll open up the support groups threads a day or so ahead of time. Having topics duplicated in both forum sections is really killing what we're trying to do here.

It's insane, because I had an announcement posted for a couple weeks, and I tagged everyone in it so everyone could be on the same page.

I guess I'll have to do it yet again. I don't wanna be a Nazi here, but dang, our content creators work hard on their articles. They deserve to be seen and showed some love!

Anyway, here we go:

whoskmoon - Week 2 Matchup by the Numbers

MidwinterViking's Purple Path Forward - Pluck the Eagles - Week 2

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 15, 2022 17:48:53 GMT -6 WisconsinVike likes this

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Post by Funkytown on Sept 15, 2022 17:48:53 GMT -6

Sept 15, 2022 17:40:00 GMT -6 WisconsinVike said:

Purple KoolAid me wants to believe that this is the beginning of something wonderful after the Vikes win against the Wackers,
Realistic me, stung by the harsh reality of being a life long Vikings fan, fears this could just be another typical Viking back to reality check.

I'm cautiously optimistic. That's how I always am, though. Never too high; definitely never too low. Especially not after one freaking game!

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Post by Josey Wales on Sept 15, 2022 18:05:35 GMT -6

Sept 15, 2022 14:26:53 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Sept 15, 2022 8:39:08 GMT -6 MidwinterViking said:

Everyone: I think it's pretty clear. Stefon Diggs showed up and made Josh Allen really good.

Reality: Josh Allen was looking pretty good before Diggs got there, Hurts still has major questions to answer

People on this forum were going on how about inaccurate Allen was and how disappointed Diggs would be going from Cousins to Allen. Josh was still rough in year 2 (or at least that was my perception around the NFL at the time), but his stats took a major jump forward (17 more TDs, 9.4% more accurate, 6.7 Y/A to 7.9).

I agree with your point that Diggs was not the whole reason why that happened, but it was a big one. I don't expect Hurts to have a meteoric rise like Allen did in Year 3, but I do think his passing numbers will improve having a top 10 WR to throw to, replacing the targets that would have went to Quez Watkins/Jalen Reagor.

Rightfully so, he led the league in off-target throws and then turned it around to be one of the best QBs in the NFL almost overnight.

To say his rise was meteoric is a colossal understatement.

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 15, 2022 18:31:32 GMT -6

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Post by sky4it on Sept 15, 2022 18:31:32 GMT -6

Sept 13, 2022 6:41:53 GMT -6 Uncle said:

From a W/L perspective:

- ESPN likes the Eagles: "The site's Football Power Index gives the Vikings a 38% shot at picking up the victory."

- Pro Football Network also likes the Eagles: "A huge early-season test for serious postseason contenders. If Minnesota wins, they’ll be the early team to beat in the NFC North. If the Eagles win, they’ll move a step closer to winning an NFC East title that now seems in their grasp. Philadelphia left points on the table against Detroit, yet still hung 38 in three quarters on the road. They’re a dangerous, complete team, and I expect them to handle Minnesota."

From a betting standpoint:

- Draft Kings likes the Vikings with the points: "We’re in for a show if both Jefferson and Brown can put up a similar performance like they had in Week 1. The Eagles did allow the Lions to get back within striking distance on Sunday and a team like the Vikings will make them pay if the door is kept open for them like that. That’s why my early bet is on Minnesota to cover on the road in prime time."

- Bookies.com likes the Eagles to cover: "Oddsmakers have noticed the improvements made by Philadelphia on offense in the offseason. The Eagles have a young and dynamic offensive core. Another Monday night game where the home crowd will be a factor. Of course, in Philly, that could go either way. Kevin O’Connell began his head-coaching career by smashing Green Bay at home. These are the the "up-and-coming" NFC teams to watch and both are in first place of their respective divisions - granted it's only after one game. We liked Philly at -2.5. The line is now -3. That's just enough to make us a bit wary. If you missed Philly at -2.5 for your NFL Week 2 picks, take the Eagles moneyline or the under of 49.5."

uncle WE GOTS TO WIN. I am pumped, we better than the Beagles. Go Z Smith hes why the were better than the Beagles

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 16, 2022 6:59:43 GMT -6 suncoastvike likes this

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Sept 15, 2022 17:00:44 GMT -6 Will said:

What is the Donatell / Fangio scheme for a running QB?

Well whatever it is I hope it works better than when Donatell's Broncos played the Eagles last year. A defense that finished 3rd in the league in points allowed got kerb stomped and allowed 216 rushing yards and 30 points in an ugly loss.

The Eagles use a run heavy RPO scheme, and Denver couldn't stop it. Philly ran the ball 39 times, Hurts had 13 carries, Jordan Howard 12 and Boston Scott 11. This allowed them to control TOP (35-25 mins)
Let's hope Mr. Ed learnt something from that game.

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Week 2 - Vikes @ Eagles MNF Support Group Sept 16, 2022 8:16:14 GMT -6

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Post by suncoastvike on Sept 16, 2022 8:16:14 GMT -6

Sept 16, 2022 6:59:43 GMT -6 @aussie61 said:

Sept 15, 2022 17:00:44 GMT -6 Will said:

What is the Donatell / Fangio scheme for a running QB?

Well whatever it is I hope it works better than when Donatell's Broncos played the Eagles last year. A defense that finished 3rd in the league in points allowed got kerb stomped and allowed 216 rushing yards and 30 points in an ugly loss.

The Eagles use a run heavy RPO scheme, and Denver couldn't stop it. Philly ran the ball 39 times, Hurts had 13 carries, Jordan Howard 12 and Boston Scott 11. This allowed them to control TOP (35-25 mins)
Let's hope Mr. Ed learnt something from that game.

Sometimes it's as much what the offense does. Especially when TOP becomes one sided. Defense is asked to do too much.
This might explain why Fangio had trouble in this one.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/broncos/.amp/news/broncos-eagles-final-injury-report

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