[OC] The Importance of Having a Great QB


Mar 28, 2022 8:03:03 GMT -6 39 Replies
Never before in the history of the NFL have teams gone to such great lengths to acquire or keep a great quarterback than they have this offseason. Aaron Rodgers got a massive contract unprecedented for a quarterback in his prime, let alone for a quarterback with realistically one or two good seasons left. The Denver Broncos traded for Russell Wilson, giving up multiple firsts, seconds, and two starters. Then, and maybe the biggest surprise, the Cleveland Browns not only gave Deshaun Watson a huge contract but gave up three first-round picks just to do so. So why are teams going to such great lengths to acquire great quarterbacks while good quarterbacks such as Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins either get traded for a third-round draft pick, or reportedly don’t get any offers at all? Why is Baker Mayfield, a former number-one pick still available?

The answer to that is pretty obvious. Quarterbacks who are truly great make it easier to win games than quarterbacks who are merely good; and great quarterbacks win Super Bowls while good ones, on the rare occasion they have won them, get carried to victories. That isn’t really debatable, but what is debatable is what exactly makes up a great quarterback and just how much of an impact does having that great quarterback have on a team? Is Josh Allen already great? Does Matthew Stafford’s Super Bowl win on the most-talented team in the NFL mean he is suddenly great now? Would having Patrick Mahomes as the Vikings’ quarterback made them a playoff team even with the Vikings’ poor defense in 2021? Most importantly to the Vikings, how close is Kirk Cousins to being in the "great" category?

To answer those questions, we need to take a look at what exactly a quarterback does to help his team win. One of the biggest ways they do is to not only win the games where the defense holds the opponent to a low score, but when the defense has a bad game, they elevate the team around them and win anyway. In today's NFL, most quarterbacks win when their team is only giving up 15 points in a game, but very few are capable of winning when their defense is giving up 25 points a game. That 25+ point per game winning quarterback is what most teams are trying to get when they trade multiple firsts to move up in the draft or to acquire Wilson or Watson. It is what the Packers want out of Rodgers as they pay him $50 million per year. Does that quarterback really exist though? Obviously, no quarterback, regardless of how great, wins every game that his team gives up 25+ points, and none even exists that could win every game even if his team gave up fewer than 20 points every game. Are there quarterbacks who win a lot more in those 25+ point or 20+ point games though? The answer to that, is obviously, yes.

Below are the win percentages of all current starting qualifying quarterbacks (plus some that don't qualify but who I wanted to include anyway) when their teams give up a very winnable amount of points. I slotted the win percentages into 0-15 points given up (games even Sam Darnold wins), 16-20 points given up and 21-25 points given up. Note that this list is missing some big names, but with stats like these, the larger the sample size the better. Kyler Murray, Justin Herbert, Tua Tagovailoa and Joe Burrow just haven't started enough games.



Based on these numbers alone, and not yet looking at winning percentages when these quarterbacks are forced to score a lot to win games, it is easy understand why Cleveland gave up the farm for Watson and why Green Bay didn't want to let Rodgers go. They just don't lose when their defenses are even average. While most quarterbacks have winning records even in that 21-25 range, being .850 in games where a team gives up 21-25 points is a game or two better in a season than being just .600. On the other hand, Wilson is worse than Derek Carr in games even an average quarterback wins most of the time. He isn't horrible here, but based on these numbers he doesn't look like he was worth what Denver gave up for him. It also looks like the San Francisco 49ers would be foolish to not stick with Jimmy Garoppolo with how dominant he appears to be in these situations.

From the Vikings' standpoint, a one-year extension of $35 million doesn't look too bad for a quarterback who is 9th in win percentage among qualifying quarterbacks when his team gives 21-25 points. He's not worth an extension of Rodgers' caliber obviously, but this is not bad at all.

So those are the winnable games. What about the high-scoring ones?



I did not include 40+ scores because they don’t happen very much, and the vast majority of quarterbacks don’t have even one win in that situation. Sample size has skewed the results quite a bit for some of the quarterbacks without a lot of starts in an individual slot as well, and I tried to make a note of that when the numbers didn’t make a lot of sense (like with Jimmy Garoppolo and Jared Goff).

Once again, Patrick Mahomes continues to dominate all other quarterbacks. Based on his career average, he would have won 13 games even if his defense gave up what the league's-worst New York Jets' defense gave up on average in each game (29.6). Even Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are barely above .500 in that slot. If Mahomes continues, he will be the unanimous GOAT by the time his career is over.

Rodgers also looks pretty good here, and the trade for Wilson looks much better, even if he doesn't appear to be all that close to being the best quarterback in his division. Allen has a really good .500 win percentage in that first - and most important - slot after being somewhat disappointing in lower-scoring games.

The most surprising quarterback in this list is Goff, who was third-to-last in lower-scoring games but jumps up into the top five when lots of points are needed to win. It is also interesting to note that Alex Smith, the proverbial game manager, has won a decent amount of high-scoring games.

Cousins really disappoints in this list, and just barely beats out Darnold in being able to win high-scoring games. Deshaun Watson and Carson Wentz both have lower win percentages in games where their team gave up 26-30, but since their win percentage is as high or higher in 31-35 point games, that puts them over Cousins and Darnold.

Based on those numbers and those alone, here is a simple tier list ranking current starters:



For the most part, this matches up with nearly every other tier list out there, with a few exceptions. Having Jared Goff and Jimmy Garoppolo ahead of quarterbacks like Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson and Matthew Stafford has very little basis as to what those quarterbacks actually contribute on the field. Here I think we see the impact of what playing in a super-talented offense can have on even an average quarterback. There is a lot more that goes into those win percentages than just the quarterback, and while he plays the biggest part in an offense being able to outscore the opponent, he is certainly not the only part. It is pretty easy to identify those who have been blessed with great offenses for their entire career though, so I don’t think that invalidates these numbers. It is also easy to see where a guy like Allen, who has only been starting for four seasons and didn’t really come into his own until his third season, might be lower in those lists than he probably should be with how good he is now. Context still matters here, and it is important not to lose sight of that.

So those are the quarterback numbers and the tiers, but do they actually matter in getting to and winning in the playoffs, and should teams be spending what they are to get a great one? Of course they should.

For example, it doesn’t take a great football mind to know that the Vikings’ defense was a problem last season and made it more difficult to win than the average defense. With the win percentages above, we can see what Rodgers, Mahomes, and Brady would have done if they were starting on this Vikings team and the defense gave up the exact same number of points.

Mahomes: 13 wins

Rodgers: 10 wins

Brady: 10 wins

Prescott: 9 wins

Wilson: 9 wins

Ryan: 9 wins

Stafford: 8 wins

Cousins: 8 wins

Tannehill: 9 wins

Carr: 8 wins

One or two wins might not seem like a lot, but this past season for our Vikings, it was the difference between making the playoffs and watching from home. Once you get there - and scoring gets harder as officials stop calling defensive holding and defenses play with a lot more intensity - the ability to overcome adversity, and/or put up more points in a challenging spot, increases a team's odds of winning dramatically. That is why teams covet great quarterbacks; whereas quarterbacks like Cousins who generally only win in a good situation, get very little interest.

--

If you enjoyed this, consider checking out these two recent pieces, as well:

[OC] Shanahan Coaching Tree Drafts - Predicator for Vikings?

[OC] Payback Time: A Look at the Vikings' 2023 Salary Cap



[OC] The Importance of Having a Great QB

Shoutbox

salamander: Not feeling good unless we can find a QB. Haven't had a great one in a looooooong time. Feb 22, 2024 13:43:06 GMT -6
Reignman: March 11th, 2024 will live in history as Kirk Cousins Independence Day *cheerleader* Mar 11, 2024 16:34:20 GMT -6
salbrecht: Why can Pittsburg sign Russel Wilson fo 1.2 million and we get Sam Darnold for 10 million?? Mar 13, 2024 18:31:25 GMT -6
Reignman: when you put it like that, it's a real head scratcher, but this franchise is all about their precious culture, so I imagine they passed on a guy like Russ over something silly like that ... Darnold will have a big smile when he's throwing all the INT's Mar 14, 2024 17:44:47 GMT -6
shandman: If I am NE, I seriously consider getting Justin Fields and roll with Fields/Brisset this year.

For Vikings to actually pull this off they probably have to trade #11, #23 and 2025 first rounder. In return, they hopefully get #3 overall this year and NE's
Mar 15, 2024 19:29:01 GMT -6
glenwo2: Saying that Darnold will have a big smile when he's throwing all the INT's is quite the Take, Reignman. Mar 16, 2024 20:17:05 GMT -6
Nemesis: Good grief....first I hear....and then I hear...I think I better go back to being gone. *woot* ??? Mar 22, 2024 15:24:17 GMT -6
Norseman: You were gone? Mar 22, 2024 22:30:40 GMT -6
Nemesis: I'm a long gone daddy www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtpe6_2nCts Mar 23, 2024 9:39:00 GMT -6
glenwo2: Norseman is Nemesis' Daddy! You heard it here first, folks. Mar 25, 2024 12:26:17 GMT -6
glenwo2: I'm kidding of course, Nemesis. :) Mar 25, 2024 12:27:05 GMT -6
Norseman: How do you know that it isn't true? Mar 25, 2024 14:28:23 GMT -6
glenwo2: Because Nemesis is the Mod and I'm just a punk rookie acting like a goofball. Mar 25, 2024 16:57:35 GMT -6
Nemesis: Plus glenwo2 is probably my dad, he just likes messing with me from the beyond. Mar 26, 2024 17:13:40 GMT -6
Reignman: Oh great, Nemesis believes in ghosts now too? Did ghost dad remember his name or only the first initial after you recited the alphabet? Apr 1, 2024 22:17:26 GMT -6
Nemesis: We agreed before he died that he would use the name "glenwo" and contact me on the PP shoutbox, but the "2" has me a bit confused. Did I miss his first attempt at contact? Apr 5, 2024 8:22:45 GMT -6
glenwo2: Well glenwo1 was busy that day.... Apr 6, 2024 3:01:11 GMT -6
Nemesis: This is amazing. That's exactly what he told me he would say! :'( Apr 13, 2024 16:48:32 GMT -6
slidell: Sell out and do what it takes to get Daniels.Mccarthy and Maye are Ponders waiting to happen Apr 22, 2024 14:37:23 GMT -6
SiteWolf: What about Daniels separates him that much from Maye? His old team didn't whine when he left ASU, his frame as it is right now will struggle to stay healthy with his playing style...so is he really the better prospect? Apr 24, 2024 13:47:01 GMT -6
Shout as:
Refresh
  • Bold
  • Italic
  • Underline
  • Strikethrough
  • Link
  • Insert Smiley
0/256 Send Cancel
© 2022 Purple Pain Forums

Purple Pain Forums is an independent fan website and not associated with the Minnesota Vikings or the National Football League (NFL). The content posted by individuals on this website reflect their personal opinions and in no way reflect the views of the Minnesota Vikings, NFL, or associated properties. Purple Pain Forums and its affiliates are not responsible for any content posted by our users as it is the property of the poster.