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2017 NFL Season Discussion Thread Dec 4, 2017 23:18:33 GMT -6

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Dec 4, 2017 19:34:35 GMT -6 Reignman said:

Dec 4, 2017 9:12:07 GMT -6 @norsemanjack said:

Watching it live, plus every replay, it CLEARLY looked like the ball went backwards (I watch on a 142" high definition screen). The Rams booth and sideline saw the same thing. I was baffled at Chris and Al going on and on about how it was clearly a forward pass (well, actually not, because I expect those guys to drive me nuts).

Haha which replays were you watching because but that was a forward lateral beyond the LOS so it's an illegal forward pass and a loss of down. It might have looked backward because Wilson threw it backward, but his momentum carried him and the ball forward, so if you watch just the flight of the ball, it's moving forward and thus a forward lateral. The guy receiving the lateral must receive it behind the spot where the ball was released.

Wilson remains in front of the lateral so it's deceiving. In fact you couldn't tell in real time from the camera angle. It was 3rd and 8 from their own 42 with 10:06 to go, and he pitched the ball after gaining 6 yards, and Davis gained an additional 17. Give Wilson 6 yards rushing, assess the 5 yard penalty from the lateral, loss of down, and wipe out the 17 yard Davis gain, so it would have been 4th and 7 from their own 43 had Philadelphia challenged it. Instead they scored a TD 4 plays later and took a 14 point lead with 7:33 to go.

These 2 examples from the rulebook are related:

Example I: Second-and-10 at own 30-yard line. Quarterback, back to pass, runs beyond line and
throws forward pass at 34. Scoring: One rush for 4 yards; one penalty for 5 yards.

Example II: Second-and-10 at own 30-yard line. Pass is completed to 50, where the receiver,
attempting to lateral, throws a forward pass. Scoring: One completion for 20 yards; one penalty for
5 yards. Credit a first down passing.

I included the 2nd one because had the lateral come 5 yards after the line to gain (which I originally remembered), then it would still be a first down, but Wilson lateraled before the line to gain.

Now I want to see where Wilson's right foot is the moment the ball leaves his hand. The fact that his body and ball are ahead of the blue line doesn't matter if his right foot is still in contact with the turf at or behind the line of scrimmage. This is one of those very strange rules.

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2017 NFL Season Discussion Thread Dec 4, 2017 23:39:51 GMT -6

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In honor of the Bungles, here are the most penalties and penalty yards in a single game since 2009 (and fewest).

Most penalties called:

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YEAR WK TM     OPP CALLED ACCEPT YARDS
2016  8 OAK vs TAM    27    23    200
2013  3 NYJ vs BUF    22    20    168
2015  2 DAL vs PHI    21    18    142
2010 11 PIT vs OAK    20    14    163
2010  3 GRB vs CHI    20    18    152
2010  9 OAK vs KAN    19    15    140
2017  1 KAN vs NEP    19    15    139
2015 16 OAK vs LAC    19    15    121
2016  8 WAS vs CIN    19    15    106
2014 16 SFF vs LAC    19     9     92
13 teams tied with    18

Vikings most:
2009 10 MIN vs DET    14    13     91 (107th most)
2010  3 MIN vs DET    14    12    100
2011  3 MIN vs DET    14    10     79
2014 16 MIN vs MIA    14     8     74
2017  2 MIN vs PIT    14    11    131
2016  2 MIN vs GRB    14    13    137

Most penalties accepted:

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YEAR WK TM     OPP CALLED ACCEPT YARDS
2016  8 OAK vs TAM    27    23    200
2013  3 NYJ vs BUF    22    20    168
2015  2 DAL vs PHI    21    18    142
2010  3 GRB vs CHI    20    18    152
2016  2 DET vs TEN    18    17    138
2015  4 BUF vs NYG    18    17    135
2017 11 MIA vs TAM    17    17    123
2015  7 TAM vs WAS    18    16    142
2014  2 SFF vs CHI    18    16    118
2017  9 SEA vs WAS    17    16    138
2012  6 DET vs PHI    17    16    132
2015  2 OAK vs BAL    17    16    106
14 teams tied with          15

Vikings most:
2009 10 MIN vs DET    14    13     91 (60th most)
2016  2 MIN vs GRB    14    13    137

Most penalty yards:

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YEAR WK TM     OPP CALLED ACCEPT YARDS
2016  8 OAK vs TAM    27    23    200
2015 10 CLE vs PIT    16    12    188
2013 14 HOU vs JAX    15    14    177
2009 13 GRB vs BAL    12    11    175
2017 13 CIN vs PIT    14    13    173 <-- here they are
2015  2 CHI vs ARZ    14    14    170
2013  3 NYJ vs BUF    22    20    168
2010 11 PIT vs OAK    20    14    163
2014  2 NEP vs MIN    18    15    163
2015  4 NYJ vs MIA    15    14    163
2014 10 CHI vs GRB    12    11    163
2010  3 GRB vs CHI    20    18    152
2014 16 NYG vs LAR    18    12    149

Vikings most:
2016  2 MIN vs GRB    14    13    137 (27th most)

Fewest penalties called:

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YEAR WK TM     OPP CALLED ACCEPT YARDS
49 teams tied with     1

Vikings fewest:
2012 3 MIN vs SFF    1    1    10
2016 8 MIN vs CHI    1    1    10

Fewest penalties accepted:

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YEAR WK TM     OPP CALLED ACCEPT YARDS
2011 16 GRB vs CHI     1     0      0
2011 19 NOS vs SFF     1     0      0
2013  9 GRB vs CHI     1     0      0
2015 11 CHI vs DEN     1     0      0
2016 17 BUF vs NYJ     1     0      0
2009 12 NEP vs NOS     2     0      0
2011  5 LAC vs DEN     2     0      0
82 teams tied with           1

Vikings fewest:
2012  3 MIN vs SFF     1     1     10
2013 10 MIN vs WAS     2     1      7
2016  8 MIN vs CHI     1     1     10

Fewest penalty yards:

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YEAR WK TM     OPP CALLED ACCEPT YARDS
2009 12 NEP vs NOS     2     0      0
2011  5 LAC vs DEN     2     0      0
2011 16 GRB vs CHI     1     0      0
2011 19 NOS vs SFF     1     0      0
2013  9 GRB vs CHI     1     0      0
2015 11 CHI vs DEN     1     0      0
2016 17 BUF vs NYJ     1     0      0
2017  4 NYG vs TAM     4     1      0
2013 13 NYG vs WAS     2     1      1
2017  6 CAR vs PHI     4     1      1
2013 15 NEP vs MIA     1     1      2
2011  1 KAN vs BUF     3     1      3
2012  4 HOU vs TEN     2     1      3
2013 16 TEN vs JAX     1     1      4
37 teams tied with                  5

Vikings fewest:
2013 10 MIN vs WAS     2     1      7 (55th fewest)

Boy those Packers sure are disciplined when they play the Bears. *whistle*

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Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

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2017 NFL Season Discussion Thread Dec 4, 2017 23:51:02 GMT -6

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Dec 4, 2017 23:18:33 GMT -6 @norsemanjack said:

Now I want to see where Wilson's right foot is the moment the ball leaves his hand. The fact that his body and ball are ahead of the blue line doesn't matter if his right foot is still in contact with the turf at or behind the line of scrimmage. This is one of those very strange rules.

The image is right when the ball leaves his hand, I made it myself, so it's right on the 47 hash mark. And the other image is right where Davis receives it and it looks like it's at the 47½ at minimum, maybe the 47¾. But I think you're thinking of the forward pass rule where even if the QB's back foot (or any part of his body) is still behind the LOS it counts as a legal forward pass. I don't think that applies to laterals.

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if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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2017 NFL Season Discussion Thread Dec 5, 2017 0:05:37 GMT -6

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Dec 4, 2017 23:51:02 GMT -6 Reignman said:

Dec 4, 2017 23:18:33 GMT -6 @norsemanjack said:

Now I want to see where Wilson's right foot is the moment the ball leaves his hand. The fact that his body and ball are ahead of the blue line doesn't matter if his right foot is still in contact with the turf at or behind the line of scrimmage. This is one of those very strange rules.

The image is right when the ball leaves his hand, I made it myself, so it's right on the 47 hash mark. And the other image is right where Davis receives it and it looks like it's at the 47½ at minimum, maybe the 47¾. But I think you're thinking of the forward pass rule where even if the QB's back foot (or any part of his body) is still behind the LOS it counts as a legal forward pass. I don't think that applies to laterals.

Isn't a "forward lateral" the same as a forward pass?

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2017 NFL Season Discussion Thread Dec 5, 2017 0:34:34 GMT -6

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Dec 5, 2017 0:05:37 GMT -6 @norsemanjack said:

Dec 4, 2017 23:51:02 GMT -6 Reignman said:

The image is right when the ball leaves his hand, I made it myself, so it's right on the 47 hash mark. And the other image is right where Davis receives it and it looks like it's at the 47½ at minimum, maybe the 47¾. But I think you're thinking of the forward pass rule where even if the QB's back foot (or any part of his body) is still behind the LOS it counts as a legal forward pass. I don't think that applies to laterals.

Isn't a "forward lateral" the same as a forward pass?

Yes, but there is no "line of scrimmage" on a lateral. If you want to say it's the ball, which determines the LOS, then we'd have to look at Wilsons back foot, not his front foot, and that would make the lateral even more obvious lol. But even if you go by his front foot, the play in question is still a forward lateral.

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2017 NFL Season Discussion Thread Dec 6, 2017 6:38:00 GMT -6

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Update:

Dec 2, 2017 5:03:06 GMT -6 Reignman said:

WEEK-13 MATCH-UPS:

                            ROAD TEAM      LAST WIN
             SERIES LEADER    RECORD        ON ROAD ROAD
                   W -L-T     W- L-T   PCT   YEAR   TEAM W/L
WAS at DAL    DAL 69-42-2    16-37-2  .309   2015   L
SFF at CHI    CHI 31-30-1    11-18-1  .383   2015   W
DET at BAL    BAL  3- 1-0     0- 2-0  .000   never  L
TAM at GRB    GRB 31-21-1     7-19-0  .269   2005   L
MIN at ATL    MIN 17-10-0     7- 7-0  .500   2015   W
CAR at NOS    CAR 24-21-0    12-10-0  .545   2015   L
NEP at BUF    NEP 69-43-1    34-22-1  .605   2016   W
DEN at MIA    MIA 11- 5-1     1- 7-0  .125   2011   L
KAN at NYJ    KAN 18-17-1     8-11-1  .425   2002   L
HOU at TEN    TEN 16-15-0     6- 9-0  .400   2015   L
IND at JAX    IND 22-11-0    10- 6-0  .625   2014   L
NYG at OAK    OAK  7- 5-0     2- 4-0  .333   2005   L
LAR at ARZ    LAR 39-38-2    18-17-2  .514   2016   W
CLE at LAC    LAC 15- 9-1     4- 7-0  .364   1991   L
PHI at SEA    SEA  8- 7-0     5- 4-0  .556   2008   L
PIT at CIN    PIT 59-35-0    29-19-0  .604   2016   W

Lifetime regular season win/loss record of every team:

RK  TEAM  W - L -T    PCT
 1. DAL  498-373-6   .5713   W
 2. GRB  735-559-37  .5661   W
 3. CHI  747-576-42  .5626   L
 4. MIA  443-348-4   .5597   W
 5. NEP  485-385-9   .5569   W
 6. MIN  466-389-10  .5445   W
 7. SFF  561-474-16  .5414   W
 8. NYG  686-581-33  .5404   L -1
 9. BAL  187-159-1   .5403   W +1
10. DEN  468-401-10  .5381   L
11. OAK  461-407-11  .5307   W
12. IND  505-449-7   .5291   L
13. PIT  615-551-21  .5270   W
14. KAN  453-414-12  .5222   L
15. CLE  509-481-13  .5140   L
16. SEA  332-322-1   .5076   W
17. WAS  591-578-28  .5054   L
18. LAR  552-557-21  .4978   W
19. CAR  180-182-1   .4972   L -1
20. LAC  431-437-11  .4966   W +1
21. PHI  565-592-26  .4886   L
22. TEN  420-453-6   .4812   W
23. BUF  406-465-8   .4664   L
24. DET  550-646-32  .4609   L
25. CIN  349-414-4   .4576   L
26. NYJ  396-475-8   .4551   W
27. JAX  162-201-0   .4463   W
28. NOS  346-430-5   .4462   W
29. ATL  348-441-6   .4415   L
30. HOU  110-141-0   .4382   L
31. ARZ  547-738-40  .4279   L
32. TAM  254-400-1   .3885   L

Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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2017 NFL Season Discussion Thread Dec 7, 2017 21:01:10 GMT -6

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Dec 6, 2017 10:09:11 GMT -6 PotGoblin said:

lol only 2 teams have never had a tie - Houston and Jacksonville

To be fair, neither team has been around all that long, especially the Texans. There have only been 9 ties since 1995 (when the Jags started) and 7 since 2002 (when the Texans started).

Ties since 1995:

CIN  3
PHI  2
WAS  2
ARZ  1
ATL  1
BAL  1
CAR  1
GRB  1
MIN  1
NYG  1
PIT  1
SFF  1
SEA  1
STL  1
BUF  0
CHI  0
CLE  0
DAL  0
DEN  0
DET  0
HOU  0
IND  0
JAX  0
KAN  0
LAC  0
MIA  0
NEP  0
NOS  0
NYJ  0
OAK  0
TAM  0
TEN  0

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Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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Falcons gotta win this game. It all but eliminates Green Bay, and thus no chance to see Rodgers week 16, and gives us some cushion in the seeding. Oh no, we actually gotta rely on a team that chokes harder than we do.

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Dec 7, 2017 21:10:55 GMT -6 Reignman said:

Falcons gotta win this game. It all but eliminates Green Bay, and thus no chance to see Rodgers week 16, and gives us some cushion in the seeding. Oh no, we actually gotta rely on a team that chokes harder than we do.

Matt effing Ryan. *wtf*