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If you have the patience for slides:

The 30 greatest Minnesota Vikings players of all-time by Adam Patrick

Of all the players to ever put on a Minnesota Vikings uniform, which 30 stood out from the pack and should be considered as the absolute best?

Since the team’s very first season in 1961, the Minnesota Vikings have had a number of very talented players take the field in their purple and gold uniform.

Not all of these players took the same path to the Vikings though. Some were drafted by Minnesota, some signed with the team in free agency, some played in the USFL before joining the Vikings and some were even claimed on the waiver wire by Minnesota.

In their history, the Vikings have had 12 players inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 32 earn at least one First-Team All-Pro selection, and 67 get voted to at least one Pro Bowl. Some of the greatest players in NFL history spent the majority of their careers in Minnesota.

So of everyone to ever suit up for the Vikings since 1961, which 30 players should be considered among the franchise’s greatest of all-time?

Link: thevikingage.com/2018/06/19/30-greatest-minnesota-vikings-players/

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Jun 19, 2018 20:16:28 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

If you have the patience for slides:

The 30 greatest Minnesota Vikings players of all-time by Adam Patrick

Link: thevikingage.com/2018/06/19/30-greatest-minnesota-vikings-players/

Adam Patrick is apparently a nom de plume of Cris Carter. Really? A glorified possession receiver is the greatest Viking? Ever? Ahead of MVPs Alan Page and Fran Tarkenton? Ahead of true game-changing receiver Randy Moss? No. Cris Carter is nowhere near the greatest Viking ever and only he, himself, would have the gall to suggest otherwise.
Or so I thought.

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What do you mean "glorified possession receiver"? All he did was catch TD's. And what could Moss do? Run fast?

As a Viking:

        YR   G    GS   TGT   REC    YDS   AVG   TD  LG
Carter  12  188  177  1498  1004  12383  12.3  110  78
Moss     8  113  108  1012   587   9316  15.9   92  82

Per full season as a Viking:

        YR   G    GS   TGT   REC    YDS   AVG   TD
Carter   1   16   16   136    91   1126  12.3   10
Moss     1   16   15   145    84   1331  15.9   13

Carter was here longer and put up overall better numbers. Plus he never rage quit the Vikings. Double plus, he was making OBJ-like catches before it was cool. Moss didn't have the best hands in the world and was only effective if he was open. He certainly wasn't out muscleing DB's for the ball. Takes more skill to get open and fight for a ball when you don't have blazing speed.

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Jun 21, 2018 1:55:18 GMT -6 Reignman said:

What do you mean "glorified possession receiver"? All he did was catch TD's. And what could Moss do? Run fast?

As a Viking:

        YR   G    GS   TGT   REC    YDS   AVG   TD  LG
Carter  12  188  177  1498  1004  12383  12.3  110  78
Moss     8  113  108  1012   587   9316  15.9   92  82

Per full season as a Viking:

        YR   G    GS   TGT   REC    YDS   AVG   TD
Carter   1   16   16   136    91   1126  12.3   10
Moss     1   16   15   145    84   1331  15.9   13

Uh-oh, now CC is slipping something under the table to Reignman. Ettu Reign?

A glorified possession receiver, yes. Carter would catch the ball and move the chains. Certainly important, but he was very limited after the catch. He lacked great speed and wiggle. He won the route, 9 times out of 10, and could come down with the catch even if he didn't...but, while a 9 yard catch on 2nd and 8 is good, a 60 yard TD is better. Carter didn't provide many of those. Moss did, Reed did. Carter could catch ten balls and not have the impact Moss would have with one.

Better numbers? From a pure numerical standpoint? Yes, because he played 75 more games with the Vikings than Moss. On a game-by-game, season-to-season basis, Moss was far superior. 200 more yards and 3 TDs per season. 3.6 more yards per catch.

And as for your contention that Moss was only good "when open" and couldn't make the highlight "OBJ catches"? You need to look again. A cursory examination of YouTube will show 10 minute long highlights of catch after catch with defenders draped all over him that Moss made. He may not have outmuscled defenders often, though at 6'4" 215 lbs. he certainly was capable-he out-jumped them, he tracked the ball in the air remarkably well. He could do far more after catch than Carter could ever dream. Early in his career, he returned punts when the Vikings needed a little boost-much like Anthony Carter in the '87 postseason-he returned a punt for a TD against the Chiefs at Arrowhead. HE THREW 2 TD passes. Randy Moss changed the game, he changed how teams drafted, and he certainly changed the trajectory of this franchise exponentially more than Cris Carter.

Nevermind, you ignored the other folks he is listed ahead of-guys like Tarkenton, Page, Eller-who played longer, for better teams than Carter who also somehow rank as lesser in this article. Tarkenton and Page won MVP awards! Not Carter, not even Moss (though he certainly would have had an argument in his best years), those two deserve to be ahead of Carter. And so does Moss.

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I just counted on Pro Football Reference, Cris Carter had 44 td catches of less than 10 yards (with Minnesota), 15 of one or two. It could be argued the Vikings likely would have scored anyway in many of cases by handing the ball of to Roberr Smith, Terry Allen, Scottie Graham or Leroy Hoard...kicking a field goal at least.
Conversely, Randy Moss had 29 TDs of 40 or more yards. Those change games. They demoralize the defense, excite the crowd. Moss brought that, Carter, by and large, did not.

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Jun 21, 2018 9:58:52 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

A glorified possession receiver, yes. Carter would catch the ball and move the chains. Certainly important, but he was very limited after the catch. He lacked great speed and wiggle. He won the route, 9 times out of 10, and could come down with the catch even if he didn't...but, while a 9 yard catch on 2nd and 8 is good, a 60 yard TD is better. Carter didn't provide many of those. Moss did, Reed did. Carter could catch ten balls and not have the impact Moss would have with one.

Glorified? And not rightfully so? Was he not one of the best possession receivers to ever play? Is that not important? How many field stretchers do you want on the team? If Carter was the same type of receiver that Moss was, we wouldn't have drafted Moss.

Jun 21, 2018 9:58:52 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

Better numbers? From a pure numerical standpoint? Yes, because he played 75 more games with the Vikings than Moss. On a game-by-game, season-to-season basis, Moss was far superior. 200 more yards and 3 TDs per season. 3.6 more yards per catch.

Yeah and when you consider what their roles were on the team, I would say that's pretty damn good for a possession receiver. As you said, he had to do it in 10 yard chunks, which required consistency and reliability. He was hard to shut down. Moss used his speed to accumulate his numbers in big chunks. If he got shut down, he couldn't adapt.

Jun 21, 2018 9:58:52 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

And as for your contention that Moss was only good "when open" and couldn't make the highlight "OBJ catches"? You need to look again.

Let me see, there was a tweet around here somewhere that begs to differ. Oh yeah, here it is.

Jun 7, 2018 17:34:45 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Jun 21, 2018 9:58:52 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

A cursory examination of YouTube will show 10 minute long highlights of catch after catch with defenders draped all over him that Moss made.

So if he was busy winning all these jump balls with defenders, he must have been dropping the easy ones. Has Carter ever been compared to Troy Williamson in anything? Ouch.

Jun 21, 2018 9:58:52 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

Nevermind, you ignored the other folks he is listed ahead of-guys like Tarkenton, Page, Eller-who played longer, for better teams than Carter who also somehow rank as lesser in this article. Tarkenton and Page won MVP awards! Not Carter, not even Moss

I never even looked at the list because I don't care where some yahoo ranked everyone lol. It's like the NFL's top 100 list. Useless. How do you even begin to compare 2 players who play completely different positions? Even comparing Carter to Moss is difficult because they had different roles. They were complimentary receivers. Both were good at what they were asked to do. How many receivers win the MVP award anyway? Jerry Rice is about all I can think of without looking it up and they pretty much gave it to him not because he was more valuable than any of the QB's, but because he had an extraordinary season as far WR's go. So yeah it doesn't surprise me that Francis Chokenton has more MVP's. They're all equal in the Lombardi department.

Jun 21, 2018 11:03:54 GMT -6 VikingsBoss said:

I just counted on Pro Football Reference, Cris Carter had 44 td catches of less than 10 yards (with Minnesota), 15 of one or two.

You still have to beat defenders and get open to catch short TD's, just as you do long TD's, which takes more skill than simply blowing by a guy. I imagine Moss was asked to run a lot more 9 routes than Carter too, and rightfully so, so yeah I'd expect most of Carter's TD's to be shorter because that was his role. For him to score long TD's he would have to break a ton of tackles, whereas Moss just has to beat 1 guy off the line.

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Vikings Mount Rushmore Jun 21, 2018 21:29:40 GMT -6

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Highlights of both Carter and Moss in a regular season game against Dallas in 1999. This one game perfectly illustrates each of their roles on the team, and how good they were at what they were asked to do. Carter catching a short TD on the goal line and later Moss catches a bomb that puts the game away. Deion Sanders even looked a bit frustrated at times.

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NFL.com: Who's on the NFL's Mount Rushmore?

Today, America celebrates its 242nd birthday. From the Statue of Liberty to to the Lincoln Memorial, there are many national monuments and memorials that represent our country's history. However, one memorial that has always stood out from the others is Mount Rushmore. Turns out people take notice when you carve 60-foot heads into the granite face of a batholith. Sculptor Gutzon Borglum said he chose George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln because they were parts of the most important events in America's history.

In the nearly 77 years since its completion in October 1941, Mount Rushmore has come to be known for more than a tribute to four US presidents. It's become a figure used to distinguish the true all-time greats in their respective fields. So, who would be on the NFL's Mount Rushmore?

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Some responses from current NFL players at the link:

www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000939489/article/whos-on-the-nfls-mount-rushmore

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Jaguars CB Jalen Ramsey: "My Mount Rushmore is me with four different expressions."

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Mike Zimmer and the Vikings try to build — with great difficulty — NFL's 'Mount Rushmore' by Mark Craig

Vikings coach Mike Zimmer rolled through his first three picks.

“Vince Lombardi,” Zimmer said. “He was always pretty cool. Then I guess I’d throw Deion [Sanders] on there. And Joe Montana.”

Here’s where Zimmer had to call timeout to gather his thoughts.

“And then you could say Jerry Rice and Emmitt [Smith],” he said. “And Lawrence Taylor, too, I guess.”

What, no Parcells?

“I’ll put Bill on one end and Lombardi on the other,” said the Parcells protégé.

“That’s seven,” confused Vikings head PR guy Bob Hagan chimed in. “They’re going to have to expand the park in South Dakota.”

Brian O’Neill, a rookie lineman from Pitt, wanted his mountain filled with offensive linemen from, you guessed it, Pitt.

“First guy is a no-brainer,” O’Neill said. “Russ Grimm.”

Bill Fralic and Jimbo Covert also made the mountain. Jackie Slater didn’t go to Pitt, but he made it, too.

“And Larry Allen,” O’Neill said. “He’s not a Pitt guy, but he should be on there. I need five heads, man.”

Mount Rushmore, which features presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt, was completed in 1941. It didn’t take long before it became synonymous with the four greats in any field.

Something like this comes in handy during early July, the only slow time on the NFL calendar. The idea to ask the Vikings to pick their Mount Rushmore of NFL history was hatched July 4 while reading an NFL.com piece that asked players on other teams the same question.

The best answer that site got came from Jaguars cornerback Jalen Ramsey, who said, “My Mount Rushmore is me with four different expressions.”

Link: www.startribune.com/mike-zimmer-and-the-vikings-try-to-build-with-great-difficulty-nfl-s-mount-rushmore/489775681/

How about the NFL Mount Rushmore?

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I would seriously have to consider Jerry Burns. Not sure if he would be up there, but he would be in the running.

As for the Moss/Carter debate.

AS to being with the Vikings, Carter caught 1 td for every 12.9 receptions. Moss caught 1 TD for every 6.3 receptions. (which BTW is Moss's standard for his entire time playing in the NFL. FWIW, Rice was 1 TD for every 7.8 receptions, he just played longer than Moss. 85 more games.)

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Feb 2, 2019 20:33:50 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

I would seriously have to consider Jerry Burns. Not sure if he would be up there, but he would be in the running.

Why? I liked Burns, but lets not get carried away. He had that great run in 1987 but didn't do much else. 1 division title in 6 years, 2 wildcard appearances. 11-5 was his best year. Only 3 playoff wins, and owned by the 49ers in his other 2 playoff appearances. 17 years as an OC is impressive I guess, but his offense got shutdown in all 4 Super Bowls.

Feb 2, 2019 20:33:50 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

As for the Moss/Carter debate.

AS to being with the Vikings, Carter caught 1 td for every 12.9 receptions. Moss caught 1 TD for every 6.3 receptions. (which BTW is Moss's standard for his entire time playing in the NFL. FWIW, Rice was 1 TD for every 7.8 receptions, he just played longer than Moss. 85 more games.)

You guys are too caught up in the numbers and overlooking the different roles each receiver had. Carter was a possession receiver so yeah I would expect him to have a higher catch to TD ratio than Moss. That's like saying Harmon Killebrew was a better baseball player than Rod Carew because he hit more HR's. I bet Carter had more first downs per catch than Moss. The guy running 12 yard curl routes is bound to have fewer TD's than the guy running vertical every down. Carter didn't have the blazing speed so his body of work is more impressive. He had to be creative to get separation. If Moss didn't have the speed, he'd be no better than Treadwell. His drop rate was similar.

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Aug 8, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -6 whoskmoon said:

if sitting and watching something versus actually doing it made a person great at it, Reignman would be the next Ron Jeremy.

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