Post by Purple Pain on Oct 27, 2021 10:39:05 GMT -6
Doesn't sound like much is going on with trade talk, but wanted to post a few things here:
The Athletic's Vikings Mailbag (Chad Graff):
Link:
theathletic.com/2912700/2021/10/26/minnesota-vikings-mailbag-on-potential-trades-the-qb-of-the-future-and-their-playoff-chances/
The Athletic NFL Staff - One NFL trade deadline candidate for every team
Link:
theathletic.com/2912288/2021/10/27/from-marcus-mariota-to-evan-engram-one-nfl-trade-deadline-candidate-for-every-team/
Something else that caught my eye from that piece:
The Athletic's Vikings Mailbag (Chad Graff):
It feels like the Vikes are one more injury away from having an extremely depleted secondary, one we’d have a hard time having confidence in. You could argue with Patrick Peterson out that we’re already there. What are your thoughts on the potential of Rick Spielman trading for some CB depth? Maybe making a splash move and giving up a third-rounder for Xavien Howard from Miami or maybe something like a sixth-rounder for Kyle Fuller from Denver? Do we have the cap space to make it work? It feels like if NFL teams ever NEED to make something work cap-wise they generally can. — Michael H.
You’re right that the cap is often pretty easy for teams to maneuver. But even if that’s acknowledged, Howard is probably too expensive for the Vikings and Fuller may be, too. The Vikings have a little more than $5 million in space, while Howard’s 2021 cap hit is $15.1 million and Fuller’s is $9.4 million.
Even if the Vikings found a way to create the necessary cap space, I’m not convinced they’re looking to make more than simple depth moves (ones similar to trading Stephen Weatherly). I’m not sure that this is the team that’s worth giving up significant assets for high-priced players to try to take a stab at the Super Bowl.
Instead, I could see the Vikings adding a fourth-string cornerback for a seventh-round pick or maybe trading away a player where they have lots of depth, say sending Troy Dye or Armon Watts somewhere for a late pick.
If you could make one realistic trade to improve the Vikings’ playoff chances, what would it be? — Eric F.
Here’s a more realistic trade I’d like to see the Vikings make: send picks in the fifth and sixth rounds to the Miami Dolphins — not for Howard, but for Noah Igbinoghene. The cornerback was taken with the 30th pick in 2020, one spot before the Vikings picked Jeff Gladney.
But Igbinoghene’s time in Miami hasn’t gone as planned, and he’s been a healthy scratch in all but two games this season. The proper value for him would probably be a fourth-round pick considering C.J. Henderson (the No. 9 pick in that draft and also a cornerback) went for a third-round selection and a depth tight end and because former Vikings first-round pick and cornerback Mike Hughes went for a sixth-round pick. Igbinoghene’s situation is somewhere between those two, and his trade value would probably be as well. But the Vikings don’t have their fourth-round pick, which was sent to the Jets for Chris Herndon before the season began, so we packaged two Day 3 picks instead.
Because Igbinoghene is still on his rookie deal, the Vikings could fit him under the cap with ease, and he’d also give them a cornerback under team control for multiple years, which would be useful since the only corners the Vikings have signed through 2023 are Cameron Dantzler and Harrison Hand.
Just curious for more info about the Denver trade. I know Weatherly wasn’t getting the job done, but to be given away for nothing seems like there’s more going on. Also, why would they want Drew Lock included in the trade? — Chris W.
A few things here. Let’s start with this: Despite some rumors online, the Vikings didn’t ask for Lock. They’re set with their current quarterback situation: Kirk Cousins starting, Sean Mannion backing him up and effectively serving as another coach on the sideline and Kellen Mond basically having a redshirt year to learn in the NFL.
Now as to why they made the move, it’s multifaceted. From Weatherly’s perspective, he wanted a new chance with a new team. He came to the Vikings thinking he’d be a starter. Instead, after D.J. Wonnum passed him on the depth chart and Everson Griffen re-signed with the Vikings, Weatherly was relegated to the fourth string. So he asked for a fresh start.
And from the Vikings’ perspective, getting rid of Weatherly (even if they didn’t really get anything in return) allows them to see what they have in young players, mainly third-round pick Patrick Jones, who hasn’t yet played a defensive snap, and to free up cap space. So it’s a win-win in the Vikings’ eyes.
You’re right that the cap is often pretty easy for teams to maneuver. But even if that’s acknowledged, Howard is probably too expensive for the Vikings and Fuller may be, too. The Vikings have a little more than $5 million in space, while Howard’s 2021 cap hit is $15.1 million and Fuller’s is $9.4 million.
Even if the Vikings found a way to create the necessary cap space, I’m not convinced they’re looking to make more than simple depth moves (ones similar to trading Stephen Weatherly). I’m not sure that this is the team that’s worth giving up significant assets for high-priced players to try to take a stab at the Super Bowl.
Instead, I could see the Vikings adding a fourth-string cornerback for a seventh-round pick or maybe trading away a player where they have lots of depth, say sending Troy Dye or Armon Watts somewhere for a late pick.
If you could make one realistic trade to improve the Vikings’ playoff chances, what would it be? — Eric F.
Here’s a more realistic trade I’d like to see the Vikings make: send picks in the fifth and sixth rounds to the Miami Dolphins — not for Howard, but for Noah Igbinoghene. The cornerback was taken with the 30th pick in 2020, one spot before the Vikings picked Jeff Gladney.
But Igbinoghene’s time in Miami hasn’t gone as planned, and he’s been a healthy scratch in all but two games this season. The proper value for him would probably be a fourth-round pick considering C.J. Henderson (the No. 9 pick in that draft and also a cornerback) went for a third-round selection and a depth tight end and because former Vikings first-round pick and cornerback Mike Hughes went for a sixth-round pick. Igbinoghene’s situation is somewhere between those two, and his trade value would probably be as well. But the Vikings don’t have their fourth-round pick, which was sent to the Jets for Chris Herndon before the season began, so we packaged two Day 3 picks instead.
Because Igbinoghene is still on his rookie deal, the Vikings could fit him under the cap with ease, and he’d also give them a cornerback under team control for multiple years, which would be useful since the only corners the Vikings have signed through 2023 are Cameron Dantzler and Harrison Hand.
Just curious for more info about the Denver trade. I know Weatherly wasn’t getting the job done, but to be given away for nothing seems like there’s more going on. Also, why would they want Drew Lock included in the trade? — Chris W.
A few things here. Let’s start with this: Despite some rumors online, the Vikings didn’t ask for Lock. They’re set with their current quarterback situation: Kirk Cousins starting, Sean Mannion backing him up and effectively serving as another coach on the sideline and Kellen Mond basically having a redshirt year to learn in the NFL.
Now as to why they made the move, it’s multifaceted. From Weatherly’s perspective, he wanted a new chance with a new team. He came to the Vikings thinking he’d be a starter. Instead, after D.J. Wonnum passed him on the depth chart and Everson Griffen re-signed with the Vikings, Weatherly was relegated to the fourth string. So he asked for a fresh start.
And from the Vikings’ perspective, getting rid of Weatherly (even if they didn’t really get anything in return) allows them to see what they have in young players, mainly third-round pick Patrick Jones, who hasn’t yet played a defensive snap, and to free up cap space. So it’s a win-win in the Vikings’ eyes.
theathletic.com/2912700/2021/10/26/minnesota-vikings-mailbag-on-potential-trades-the-qb-of-the-future-and-their-playoff-chances/
The Athletic NFL Staff - One NFL trade deadline candidate for every team
Minnesota Vikings: S Xavier Woods
Though the Vikings seem unlikely to be sellers barring a massive disaster against the Cowboys in Week 8, Woods would be an option for the Vikings if they’d like to recoup something on their investment. Woods has played well next to Harrison Smith and is on an affordable one-year, $1.7 million contract. He’d be a nice addition to a Super Bowl contender. — Chad Graff
Though the Vikings seem unlikely to be sellers barring a massive disaster against the Cowboys in Week 8, Woods would be an option for the Vikings if they’d like to recoup something on their investment. Woods has played well next to Harrison Smith and is on an affordable one-year, $1.7 million contract. He’d be a nice addition to a Super Bowl contender. — Chad Graff
theathletic.com/2912288/2021/10/27/from-marcus-mariota-to-evan-engram-one-nfl-trade-deadline-candidate-for-every-team/
Something else that caught my eye from that piece:
Kansas City Chiefs: CB Mike Hughes
The Chiefs don’t usually make trades during the season, but their surprising 3-4 start puts them in position to consider a deal. One player who appears to be sliding down the depth chart is Hughes, whom the Chiefs acquired in the offseason through a small trade with the Vikings. He has struggled in the last month while other players at his position, such as Rashad Fenton and L’Jarius Sneed, have improved. If the Chiefs trade Hughes, they would save almost $2 million in salary cap space. — Nate Taylor
The Chiefs don’t usually make trades during the season, but their surprising 3-4 start puts them in position to consider a deal. One player who appears to be sliding down the depth chart is Hughes, whom the Chiefs acquired in the offseason through a small trade with the Vikings. He has struggled in the last month while other players at his position, such as Rashad Fenton and L’Jarius Sneed, have improved. If the Chiefs trade Hughes, they would save almost $2 million in salary cap space. — Nate Taylor
... and neither is this Chris guy.
