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Post by AlaskanViking on Apr 25, 2020 21:33:39 GMT -6

Apr 25, 2020 21:02:16 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Apr 25, 2020 20:50:25 GMT -6 Danchat said:

I would be concerned if they ended up with Tua... very concerned. But since they've drafted a guy that profiles closely to Josh Freeman, I'm really not. Even if he does pan out, the earliest he's going to help them out is 2022. And honestly I'll be more excited that Rodgers is gone because in all likelihood Love will be a downgrade.

I'm even less concerned now that the Packers failed to draft a WR in one of the deepest WR classes ever!

Tua is the complete opposite of Love though. He wouldnt make any sense sitting behind Rodgers for years. Tua is pro ready, but doesnt have the elite physical skills of a guy like Love.

Josh Freeman? Not really, Freeman never had the arm talent, release, etc of Love. Love physically compares to Mahomes, he has crazy arm talent, there just no getting around that.

If Love works out, it's going to absolutely suck for everyone in this division. Am I confident he will work out? Nope, but the chance he does terrifies me, as it should everyone else here.

As I said, the last high upside raw arm talent GB gave a first round pick for was Favre. And Favre never had a season in college statistically equal to Love's 2018, neither did Rodgers or Mahomes.

I found it far more surprising that GB went RB in the second rather then WR, maybe they try to move on Odell? Idk, I found that to be way more surprising then taking Love, a guy many projected to GB anyway.

Here’s the thing, though: Everyone knew that at some point in the next few years, GB was going to have to address a QB plan behind Rodgers. Finding a great (heck, even a good) QB is extremely difficult and not as easy as finding someone with a cannon arm and letting them learn for a couple years. So the fact that Green Bay swung on Love just fulfilled what we all knew was coming at some point.

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The fact that they did so this early in Rodgers’ remaining timeline, trading UP, certainly pissing off Rodgers and doing nothing to help their currently very competitive team, on a guy that was projected as a late first rounder with huge red flags, is about as good of a win as we could realistically ask for when it came to GB’s future QB plan. Yes, there’s always the chance that Love could be great. Just like there was a chance that Trubisky could be great for the Bears. Or that Bridgewater could be great for us. I’m just glad that they didn’t somehow luck into a Rodgers injury and #1 pick Burrows situation, Colts-style from Manning to Luck.

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Apr 25, 2020 21:02:16 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Josh Freeman? Not really, Freeman never had the arm talent, release, etc of Love. Love physically compares to Mahomes, he has crazy arm talent, there just no getting around that.

No, Freeman's arm talent was considered cream of the crop at the time. I did some research for my QB Rankings article, and Freeman was the best comp I could find to Love. Here's some evidence from some 2009 scouting reports:

No questions about arm strength; shows elite arm strength on 15- to 20-yard stick throws (outs, posts) ... Freeman's physical tools makes him a near lock for the first day of the NFL Draft, because of his physical tools, with first-round potential.

Weaknesses: Accuracy was abysmal in junior year ... Locks on to receivers and shows below-average field vision ... Wildly inconsistent; runs hot and cold

Scouting Report Strengths
Mocking The Draft: Incredible arm strength. Can make just about any deep throw. Puts a nice touch on passes and knows when to take some heat off throws.

Has a great arm and can effortlessly make every NFL throw.

The similarities in the scouting reports with these two are very similar. In my article about Love:

Comparison: Josh Freeman

Looking at old Freeman scouting reports, you'd think they're talking about the same guy. They both played at smaller schools (Freeman was at Kansas State), had elite arm strength, strong mobility, and both struggled with vision and awareness. Freeman had a good sophomore year in the NFL but eventually busted outright, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Love fluctuate between success and failure like Freeman did.

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At least GB sees the need of developing a QB BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE. The Vikings NVER prepare fore this. Ever. Their answer (well Rickyboi's answer) is to OVERPAY for a FA QB. Thats it. Even though the pan has repeatedly failed and got us in CAP HELL.

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Because We Hate The Packers... Apr 25, 2020 22:11:13 GMT -6 via mobile

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Apr 25, 2020 22:00:25 GMT -6 Danchat said:

Apr 25, 2020 21:02:16 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Josh Freeman? Not really, Freeman never had the arm talent, release, etc of Love. Love physically compares to Mahomes, he has crazy arm talent, there just no getting around that.

No, Freeman's arm talent was considered cream of the crop at the time. I did some research for my QB Rankings article, and Freeman was the best comp I could find to Love. Here's some evidence from some 2009 scouting reports:

No questions about arm strength; shows elite arm strength on 15- to 20-yard stick throws (outs, posts) ... Freeman's physical tools makes him a near lock for the first day of the NFL Draft, because of his physical tools, with first-round potential.

Weaknesses: Accuracy was abysmal in junior year ... Locks on to receivers and shows below-average field vision ... Wildly inconsistent; runs hot and cold

Scouting Report Strengths
Mocking The Draft: Incredible arm strength. Can make just about any deep throw. Puts a nice touch on passes and knows when to take some heat off throws.

Has a great arm and can effortlessly make every NFL throw.

The similarities in the scouting reports with these two are very similar. In my article about Love:

Comparison: Josh Freeman

Looking at old Freeman scouting reports, you'd think they're talking about the same guy. They both played at smaller schools (Freeman was at Kansas State), had elite arm strength, strong mobility, and both struggled with vision and awareness. Freeman had a good sophomore year in the NFL but eventually busted outright, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Love fluctuate between success and failure like Freeman did.

Love's arm talent is being hyped based upon more then throw power. Love's ability to throw while moving, from all different angles and platforms, off his back foot etc etc. is top notch, and most of the reason for his Mahomes comparison. Freeman never had as natural or as smooth a release as either. Freeman's Junior year was better then his sophomore year btw, and none of them compare to Loves sophomore year.

Even if Love is a bust, there is still no denying he, as a player, physically bears resemblance to Mahomes in ability and skill set.

If Love had replicated his sophomore year, he would have been a top 10 pick. Most of his question marks stem nearly entirely from his 2019 season.

Essentially what it comes down to with Love, is whether you buy the circumstantial reasoning for his regression in 2019, or whether you simply think he regressed as a player. Love's 2019 terrified me of drafting him, but his arm talent and 2018 terrify me that GB drafted him. I simply think he went to the best possible situation for him, and see clear comparison to when GB traded a first to the Falcons for a raw, physical talent who wasnt even close to being a pro ready QB.

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Apr 25, 2020 22:09:42 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

At least GB sees the need of developing a QB BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE. The Vikings NVER prepare fore this. Ever. Their answer (well Rickyboi's answer) is to OVERPAY for a FA QB. Thats it. Even though the pan has repeatedly failed and got us in CAP HELL.

True, though we clearly view Kirk as quality QB. His numbers say he is. Is he just a stat padder? Let's hope he proves otherwise.

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Because We Hate The Packers... Apr 25, 2020 22:17:01 GMT -6

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Apr 25, 2020 22:13:36 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Apr 25, 2020 22:09:42 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

At least GB sees the need of developing a QB BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE. The Vikings NVER prepare fore this. Ever. Their answer (well Rickyboi's answer) is to OVERPAY for a FA QB. Thats it. Even though the pan has repeatedly failed and got us in CAP HELL.

True, though we clearly view Kirk as quality QB. His numbers say he is. Is he just a stat padder? Let's hope he proves otherwise.

Kirk proved nothing in WAS and less then nothing in MN so far. Stats are MEANINGLESS. Maybe have the Viking being dominate in their own division before crowning Kurt. Although Ricky continually pass up on the Oline prospects isnt helping Kirt in the least. Kubiak has average prospect to work with, at beast. Its almost like the Wilfs are giving Rickyboi and Zimmer a pass until 2025. Makes me sick.

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Apr 25, 2020 22:17:01 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Apr 25, 2020 22:13:36 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

True, though we clearly view Kirk as quality QB. His numbers say he is. Is he just a stat padder? Let's hope he proves otherwise.

Kirk proved nothing in WAS and less then nothing in MN so far. Stats are MEANINGLESS. Maybe have the Viking being dominate in their own division before crowning Kurt. Although Ricky continually pass up on the Oline prospects isnt helping Kirt in the least. Kubiak has average prospect to work with, at beast. Its almost like the Wilfs are giving Rickyboi and Zimmer a pass until 2025. Makes me sick.

Stats arent meaningless. We judge players by their on field production, not by what their team accomplishes. Dilfer isnt better the Marino, nor is Johnson.

That said, I do believe Kirk may be an actual bona fide stat padder, and not someone like Stafford who isnt at all, but gets called "Stat Padford" because his team is utterly deficient.

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Apr 25, 2020 22:09:42 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

At least GB sees the need of developing a QB BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE. The Vikings NVER prepare fore this. Ever. Their answer (well Rickyboi's answer) is to OVERPAY for a FA QB. Thats it. Even though the pan has repeatedly failed and got us in CAP HELL.

He has certainly earned criticism for the overall QB situation during his tenure here, but your statement is not accurate at all. He drafted 2 first round QBs, traded a 1st round pick for another, and shelled out FA big bucks for Kirk.

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Apr 25, 2020 22:37:41 GMT -6 AlaskanViking said:

Apr 25, 2020 22:09:42 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

At least GB sees the need of developing a QB BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE. The Vikings NVER prepare fore this. Ever. Their answer (well Rickyboi's answer) is to OVERPAY for a FA QB. Thats it. Even though the pan has repeatedly failed and got us in CAP HELL.

He has certainly earned criticism for the overall QB situation during his tenure here, but your statement is not accurate at all. He drafted 2 first round QBs, traded a 1st round pick for another, and shelled out FA big bucks for Kirk.

Wasnt really before we had to have one though. Spielman has been extremely reactionary when acquiring QBs, which is fine if it works, but if it doesnt, you are going to look like a panicky fool.

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Apr 25, 2020 21:33:39 GMT -6 AlaskanViking said:

Apr 25, 2020 21:02:16 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Tua is the complete opposite of Love though. He wouldnt make any sense sitting behind Rodgers for years. Tua is pro ready, but doesnt have the elite physical skills of a guy like Love.

Josh Freeman? Not really, Freeman never had the arm talent, release, etc of Love. Love physically compares to Mahomes, he has crazy arm talent, there just no getting around that.

If Love works out, it's going to absolutely suck for everyone in this division. Am I confident he will work out? Nope, but the chance he does terrifies me, as it should everyone else here.

As I said, the last high upside raw arm talent GB gave a first round pick for was Favre. And Favre never had a season in college statistically equal to Love's 2018, neither did Rodgers or Mahomes.

I found it far more surprising that GB went RB in the second rather then WR, maybe they try to move on Odell? Idk, I found that to be way more surprising then taking Love, a guy many projected to GB anyway.

Here’s the thing, though: Everyone knew that at some point in the next few years, GB was going to have to address a QB plan behind Rodgers. Finding a great (heck, even a good) QB is extremely difficult and not as easy as finding someone with a cannon arm and letting them learn for a couple years. So the fact that Green Bay swung on Love just fulfilled what we all knew was coming at some point.

BUT

The fact that they did so this early in Rodgers’ remaining timeline, trading UP, certainly pissing off Rodgers and doing nothing to help their currently very competitive team, on a guy that was projected as a late first rounder with huge red flags, is about as good of a win as we could realistically ask for when it came to GB’s future QB plan. Yes, there’s always the chance that Love could be great. Just like there was a chance that Trubisky could be great for the Bears. Or that Bridgewater could be great for us. I’m just glad that they didn’t somehow luck into a Rodgers injury and #1 pick Burrows situation, Colts-style from Manning to Luck.

So much this. GB finally fixed their defense and made an NFCC run, but instead of adding a Michael Pittman and whatever else they lost trading up to put them over the top.... they start a rebuild! They just did the rest of the league a huge favor!

If Aaron Rodgers falls, you pull the trigger, he was a legit prospect that should have gone #1 overall. Love is not, Love didn't fall, this is right about where teams were expected to have interest, that's the difference here, this isn't Rodgers 2.0. If Love had fallen to the 2nd or 3rd round then sure, now you can say "this is too good of a deal to pass up even though we have Rodgers."

If they have a good season but fall just short, everyone is going to look back at what might have been if they had invested into improving the team as much as they could for Rodgers. Thank you for this self-inflicted wound GB, the NFCN appreciates it!! *GBsux*

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Apr 25, 2020 23:01:05 GMT -6 Mondry said:

Apr 25, 2020 21:33:39 GMT -6 AlaskanViking said:

Here’s the thing, though: Everyone knew that at some point in the next few years, GB was going to have to address a QB plan behind Rodgers. Finding a great (heck, even a good) QB is extremely difficult and not as easy as finding someone with a cannon arm and letting them learn for a couple years. So the fact that Green Bay swung on Love just fulfilled what we all knew was coming at some point.

BUT

The fact that they did so this early in Rodgers’ remaining timeline, trading UP, certainly pissing off Rodgers and doing nothing to help their currently very competitive team, on a guy that was projected as a late first rounder with huge red flags, is about as good of a win as we could realistically ask for when it came to GB’s future QB plan. Yes, there’s always the chance that Love could be great. Just like there was a chance that Trubisky could be great for the Bears. Or that Bridgewater could be great for us. I’m just glad that they didn’t somehow luck into a Rodgers injury and #1 pick Burrows situation, Colts-style from Manning to Luck.

So much this. GB finally fixed their defense and made an NFCC run, but instead of adding a Michael Pittman and whatever else they lost trading up to put them over the top.... they start a rebuild! They just did the rest of the league a huge favor!

If Aaron Rodgers falls, you pull the trigger, he was a legit prospect that should have gone #1 overall. Love is not, Love didn't fall, this is right about where teams were expected to have interest, that's the difference here, this isn't Rodgers 2.0. If Love had fallen to the 2nd or 3rd round then sure, now you can say "this is too good of a deal to pass up even though we have Rodgers."

If they have a good season but fall just short, everyone is going to look back at what might have been if they had invested into improving the team as much as they could for Rodgers. Thank you for this self-inflicted wound GB, the NFCN appreciates it!! *GBsux*

Using a single first round pick on a QB isnt initiating a rebuild. That's literally ridiculous lol. How many first round picks are either busts, or good players who dont make huge immediate impact anyway? Not to mention, GB had TWO firsts last year, which no doubt influenced them using a luxury pick on Love.

Love didnt fall like Rodgers, but has absolute top notch upside. Typically, successful teams dont have many opportunities at guys like that.

Even if they do fall short, and we assume that they wouldnt have, had they used their first on someone else, that wont mean sh*t if Love turns into another star QB.

Once again, we have fans condescending down to far and away the best organization in this division, for operating on the exact MO that has made them the best organization in this division. It's quite stupefying.

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Apr 25, 2020 22:37:41 GMT -6 AlaskanViking said:

Apr 25, 2020 22:09:42 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

At least GB sees the need of developing a QB BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE. The Vikings NVER prepare fore this. Ever. Their answer (well Rickyboi's answer) is to OVERPAY for a FA QB. Thats it. Even though the pan has repeatedly failed and got us in CAP HELL.

He has certainly earned criticism for the overall QB situation during his tenure here, but your statement is not accurate at all. He drafted 2 first round QBs, traded a 1st round pick for another, and shelled out FA big bucks for Kirk.

Right, my statement isnt accurate. Even though its dead on. Gotcha.

Rickyboi has utterly failed in getting the Vikings a franchise QB. Its not even up for discussion. Whatever your reasons for putting all your stock in Ricky, his QB history shouldnt be one of them. Nice avatar LOL.

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Apr 25, 2020 23:52:16 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Apr 25, 2020 22:37:41 GMT -6 AlaskanViking said:

He has certainly earned criticism for the overall QB situation during his tenure here, but your statement is not accurate at all. He drafted 2 first round QBs, traded a 1st round pick for another, and shelled out FA big bucks for Kirk.

Right, my statement isnt accurate. Even though its dead on. Gotcha.

Rickyboi has utterly failed in getting the Vikings a franchise QB. Its not even up for discussion. Whatever your reasons for putting all your stock in Ricky, his QB history shouldnt be one of them. Nice avatar LOL.

My feelings on Rick aren’t here nor there, just calling out a wildly inaccurate statement when I see it.

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Apr 25, 2020 23:22:06 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Apr 25, 2020 23:01:05 GMT -6 Mondry said:

So much this. GB finally fixed their defense and made an NFCC run, but instead of adding a Michael Pittman and whatever else they lost trading up to put them over the top.... they start a rebuild! They just did the rest of the league a huge favor!

If Aaron Rodgers falls, you pull the trigger, he was a legit prospect that should have gone #1 overall. Love is not, Love didn't fall, this is right about where teams were expected to have interest, that's the difference here, this isn't Rodgers 2.0. If Love had fallen to the 2nd or 3rd round then sure, now you can say "this is too good of a deal to pass up even though we have Rodgers."

If they have a good season but fall just short, everyone is going to look back at what might have been if they had invested into improving the team as much as they could for Rodgers. Thank you for this self-inflicted wound GB, the NFCN appreciates it!! *GBsux*

Using a single first round pick on a QB isnt initiating a rebuild. That's literally ridiculous lol. How many first round picks are either busts, or good players who dont make huge immediate impact anyway? Not to mention, GB had TWO firsts last year, which no doubt influenced them using a luxury pick on Love.

Love didnt fall like Rodgers, but has absolute top notch upside. Typically, successful teams dont have many opportunities at guys like that.

Even if they do fall short, and we assume that they wouldnt have, had they used their first on someone else, that wont mean sh*t if Love turns into another star QB.

Once again, we have fans condescending down to far and away the best organization in this division, for operating on the exact MO that has made them the best organization in this division. It's quite stupefying.

I agree that equating this pick to them rebuilding is an extreme exaggeration, but your insistence to defend the pick is odd. The reaction the pick from fans around here is pretty on par with the general opinion of the pick, with a little added twist of the knife since we're Viking fans. Nothing wrong with any of that, and you are, by far, in the minority withsupport of this draft pick, regardless of allegiance. Packer fans themselves are largely irate with this selection.

Saying this is the exact MO of what made the organization successful is EXTREMELY generous. You yourself pointed it out, Rodgers FELL to the Packers. They didn't target him specifically with Favre still around, they didn't go out of their way to take him and they certainly didn't trade up to draft him higher than many believed he would be drafted. The Packers had a 1st overall quality QB fall into their laps in 2005. On top of that, they were drafting him to replace a QB whom had already started to question how long he would play.

This situation is pretty different, the Packers TRADED UP to take Love. This wasn't them being in the right place at the right time and making a sound decision. This was them seeking out Rodgers' replacement with 4 years left on his contract, on the same day he publicly came out and said he wanted to play well into his 40s and that his legacy as a Packer was very important to him, and that he didn't ever want to leave the franchise. The Packers didn't go into the 2005 draft with the direct plan they would find Favre's successor in the first round. They were the beneficiaries of good fortune in 2005, drafting a player well later than he was expected to go. In 2020 they had an active plan to draft Rodger's replacement and they went out of their way to make it happen, including arguably overdrafting the player in question.

Not to mention, I personally had a 3rd round grade on Love. Not that I'm saying I expected him to make it out of the 2nd round, just that I personally don't have that high of regard for him. He's a Jay Cutler/Ryan Mallett type player, huge upside with a monster arm, and the occasional propensity to blow you away. But those moments are sandwiched in between numerous bad decision, inaccurate throws and just overall inconsistent play. His poise under pressure is probably my biggest concern with his game moving forward.

You suggest that the Packers won't regret if they fall short this season as long as Love pans out. But if he doesn't pan out, which odds are against him if you ask me, then that's exponentially worse, as they didn't get any immediate help in their current window and will be looking for Rodgers replacement again in 4 years.

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Apr 26, 2020 0:04:38 GMT -6 HarryHits22 said:

Apr 25, 2020 23:22:06 GMT -6 vikecycle said:

Using a single first round pick on a QB isnt initiating a rebuild. That's literally ridiculous lol. How many first round picks are either busts, or good players who dont make huge immediate impact anyway? Not to mention, GB had TWO firsts last year, which no doubt influenced them using a luxury pick on Love.

Love didnt fall like Rodgers, but has absolute top notch upside. Typically, successful teams dont have many opportunities at guys like that.

Even if they do fall short, and we assume that they wouldnt have, had they used their first on someone else, that wont mean sh*t if Love turns into another star QB.

Once again, we have fans condescending down to far and away the best organization in this division, for operating on the exact MO that has made them the best organization in this division. It's quite stupefying.

I agree that equating this pick to them rebuilding is an extreme exaggeration, but your insistence to defend the pick is odd. The reaction the pick from fans around here is pretty on par with the general opinion of the pick, with a little added twist of the knife since we're Viking fans. Nothing wrong with any of that, and you are, by far, in the minority withsupport of this draft pick, regardless of allegiance. Packer fans themselves are largely irate with this selection.

Saying this is the exact MO of what made the organization successful is EXTREMELY generous. You yourself pointed it out, Rodgers FELL to the Packers. They didn't target him specifically with Favre still around, they didn't go out of their way to take him and they certainly didn't trade up to draft him higher than many believed he would be drafted. The Packers had a 1st overall quality QB fall into their laps in 2005. On top of that, they were drafting him to replace a QB whom had already started to question how long he would play.

This situation is pretty different, the Packers TRADED UP to take Love. This wasn't them being in the right place at the right time and making a sound decision. This was them seeking out Rodgers' replacement with 4 years left on his contract, on the same day he publicly came out and said he wanted to play well into his 40s and that his legacy as a Packer was very important to him, and that he didn't ever want to leave the franchise. The Packers didn't go into the 2005 draft with the direct plan they would find Favre's successor in the first round. They were the beneficiaries of good fortune in 2005, drafting a player well later than he was expected to go. In 2020 they had an active plan to draft Rodger's replacement and they went out of their way to make it happen, including arguably overdrafting the player in question.

Not to mention, I personally had a 3rd round grade on Love. Not that I'm saying I expected him to make it out of the 2nd round, just that I personally don't have that high of regard for him. He's a Jay Cutler/Ryan Mallett type player, huge upside with a monster arm, and the occasional propensity to blow you away. But those moments are sandwiched in between numerous bad decision, inaccurate throws and just overall inconsistent play. His poise under pressure is probably my biggest concern with his game moving forward.

You suggest that the Packers won't regret if they fall short this season as long as Love pans out. But if he doesn't pan out, which odds are against him if you ask me, then that's exponentially worse, as they didn't get any immediate help in their current window and will be looking for Rodgers replacement again in 4 years.

Yes, because most fans and media prognosticators are extremely short sighted. Packers fans hated the Rodgers pick, and used to boo him at training camp, so who tf cares what some alcoholic Packers fan thinks? Especially when you consider they had two first last year?

Yes, it is exactly the MO of the GB organization. They invest capital into the position, before they know they actually need to. Rodgers was a top prospect who fell, sure, but Favre was a raw, upside guy with special arm talent that they gave up a first for. Love is sort of a culmination of both of those situations in one.

There is nothing to suggest GB was actively set on getting Rodgers a successor in the 2020 draft. At all. Their GM said that the Love pick was made based upon how the board fell, they simply felt his upside was too good to pass up. That isnt the same as simply choosing a QB for the sake of taking a QB. Which wouldn't make any sense given their situation.

They hardly overdrafted Love, at all, nearly everyone had Love going somewhere from 19-32 in the first. KC had stated that their phone was ringing off the hook until Love was taken. Many guys have cannon arms like Love, but hardly any have the all around arm talent that he has, which is based upon much more then sheer throw power.

Love is very simple. It's a tale of two seasons, which one represents him more? If the answer is 2018, then he is going to be looked at as a monster steal who went later then he should have due to a poor Junior season, if its 2019, then he will the bust who went higher then he should have due to a good Sophmore season. I'm not any more sold on Love then anyone, but it's quite concerning that GB once again has another young QB with special arm talent. When have WE had that? Oh yea, when we had Favre, minus the young.

If Love works out, that will virtually destroy any other side effect of using a first on him, even of it were to sink GB current window. (Which is a silly idea considering many good 1st rounders dont make immediate impact anyway)

Last Edit: Apr 26, 2020 0:34:03 GMT -6 by vikecycle

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