Post by Reignman on Sept 30, 2017 0:29:52 GMT -6
Sept 19, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:
First, IMO, the league's idea that a "divisive" player is bad for them is in their imagination. Like all sports, winning cures all. If you don't like CK for his ability any more I think you have a valid leg to stand on. That sitting for a song is somehow going to sink your team? If your team is that mentally fragile you aren't winning anyway.It's football, and they're football players, ofc they're that mentally fragile lol. They continue to skip their opportunity to get a free a degree to play something they know is most likely going to give them brain damage, and they complain about it the whole time too. Not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. Winning cures all, but if your locker room is divided, there might not be much winning. Team chemistry is important believe it or not, and anyone who has played teams sports should know that. Then there's the problem of paying him starter money to be a backup. And the more recent rumors of him just not having his head in football right now. All of this adds up to him not being worth the risk.
Sept 19, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:
CK beat the systemic racism by having amazing athletic gifts that gave him a platform most black people will never have. Hell, a platform the vast majority of us will never have. Simply because you can point out the exceptions sort of proves the rule, as they say.And that's probably part of the problem. Too many young black kids think they're going to be the next Jordan or Jay Z and put all their eggs into playing basketball or rapping, and too few of them hitting the books. Millions of black kids fighting over a handful of "get rich quick" jobs. Meanwhile asian kids spend most of their time on books and technology where there are a ton of high paying career opportunities. They won't strike it rich, but they're banking on something a little more practical.
Sept 19, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:
How much of the black experience do you really know and understand?We can flip that around too, how much of the white experience do most black people understand? How do they know they have it so rough if they've never been white to compare their black experience to? Life is tough for everyone and because we don't have equal outcome blacks are convinced it's gotta be a systemic problem holding them back so they stop trying. I can see how that can be demoralizing. That robs them of personal responsibility too. Whites don't grow up convinced the system is working against them so they keep working for what they want. So who's to blame for convincing blacks the system is out to get them? Maybe that's the real problem?
Sept 19, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:
And I'm not totally dismissing that there are elements of this that are more feelings than facts, but there are plenty of facts.I'm still waiting for someone to produce those facts. I need some examples. Anyone found guilty of systemic racism yet? Anyone we're suspicious of? Bill Gates perhaps? Apple? Pick an industry, there must be examples of minorities not getting a fair shake somewhere. And no I don't want to see any black and white photos from 50-100 years ago lol. I'm talking about today.
Sept 19, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:
The crushing poverty and hopelessness in many black communities (and white communities as well)is something I think you need some experience with to grasp.My parents were poor, nobody gave us anything, we didn't turn to crime, we didn't drop out, we didn't join gangs, and our parents stuck together. We never felt that murder, assault, or rape would make our lives better. Why does poverty seem to make only the black community disproportionately more criminal?
Sept 19, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:
There are systemic issues that deal with wealth distribution where poor people are generally kept poor and rich people kept rich, that's bad enough.Again though, that has nothing to do with race. Poor white people face the same obstacles. Wealth distribution is not a systemic racism issue that only affects blacks. It's a completely different topic.
Sept 19, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:
Those kinds of people rose up last year and put our current President in office. Their concerns are legit, if misplaced. But black people? They have the crushing systemic difficulties that come with being poor AND coupled with systemic racism that tries to keep them poor in part because they're black. Who rose up and put Obama into office for 2 terms? And what did he do to help race relations in this country? Blacks are convinced more than ever that their lives are worse off than ever. Racial tensions were at an all time high before Obama left office. How is that possible? What can Trump do differently that Obama couldn't get done for the black community? What did they think Hillary was going to do that Obama couldn't? When you fight imaginary problems you get imaginary solutions. Why did the black on black murder rates in Chicago increase every year under Obama? His hometown. A democratic city with very tough gun control laws?
Sept 19, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -6 @theleviathan said:
I'd encourage you to look into more of the facts behind systemic racism. You seem to be falling into the same trap about "feels over facts" that you're accusing others of.I've spent a lot of time on this issue, and I used to be on left, as I've mentioned earlier. I've watched the race baiting get turned up a couple of notches in recent years. Most of the divisiveness is coming from the left these days, and it's what pushed me more toward the middle. Things aren't worse, they're just more focused on than ever before. The reporting on these issues have changed. More blacks aren't being shot by police than ever before, it's just reported more often. It's similar to the autism debate. Autism isn't on the rise, they just keep redefining what it means to be autistic and that gives less informed people the notion that it's on the rise. Cops still kill nearly twice as many whites as blacks. You could argue that it's a police brutality issue that affects everyone equally, but it's certainly not a systemic racism issue like people believe it is.
I'm the opposite of "feels over facts" I'm "facts over feels" lol. I'm that way on every issue, especially when it comes to ghosts . I'm an evidence based individual, and I wouldn't seem to come down so far onto 1 side of this issue if I felt it were a little more balanced. I spend more time focusing on what the black community can do to help itself because EVERYONE else is focused on blacks being the victim. It's why I keep calling it the soft bigotry of low expectations. Why is nobody holding the black community accountable for problems it DOES have control over? Problems that seem to be more of a contribution to their overall plight than any I see systemically. Well I mean something that only affects blacks systemically because the whole poverty and income debate affects everyone equally. But since poverty seems to affect blacks more it's another thing that wrongly gets attributed to systemic racism. Again equal opportunity vs equal outcome. I'm more concerned about actual problems and not boogeymen. If the black community got it's self inflicted problems under control, there would be an immediate and noticeable improvement to their overall condition and standing in society. If they're so afraid of looking like they're acting white, then how bout they at least act more asian because asians are on average doing much better than whites in this country. Maybe they have asian privilege? But I'm still waiting for the systemic racism crowd to acknowledge some of the actual self inflicted problems in the black community.