Post by Funkytown on Aug 24, 2021 11:37:26 GMT -6
Saw this over at The Athletic, and had to share some of the interesting tids. Make of it what you will, but I'm curious on some of your thoughts.
NFL agent survey: 33 reps on Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, QB power and the most trustworthy GMs by Ben Standig
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And for the Anti-Rick Crowd:
Link:
theathletic.com/2762455/2021/08/24/nfl-agent-survey-33-reps-on-aaron-rodgers-dak-prescott-qb-power-and-the-most-trustworthy-gms/
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We really effed up big time, didn't we?! DIDN'T WE?!??!
NFL agent survey: 33 reps on Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, QB power and the most trustworthy GMs by Ben Standig
Thirty-three certified agents were asked 23 questions. They did so anonymously to protect themselves and their clients while providing blunt observations on offseason moves, as well as Aaron Rodgers’ fractured relationship in Green Bay and Tom Brady’s magical ride. They talked about Jerry Jones and Dak Prescott, Urban Meyer and Roger Goodell. Agents dished on general managers they trust and organizations they don’t.
Collectively, the agents surveyed represent hundreds of players, including franchise quarterbacks, Pro Bowl starters and 33 first-round selections over the past three years.
Collectively, the agents surveyed represent hundreds of players, including franchise quarterbacks, Pro Bowl starters and 33 first-round selections over the past three years.
6. After an offseason with significant quarterback drama and movement, do you expect it again in the spring and going forward?
• “This is the new norm. Teams will move quicker. Hey, the union f*cked it up and made rookie contracts cheap to move on from.”
• “Players watch what’s going on around the league. It’s getting easier to voice concerns and displeasure on social media.”
• “I expect Rodgers to be in that mix next year, so yes, but not as crazy and less movement than in the past.”
• “Yes. (Ben) Roethlisberger will be out (in Pittsburgh), and there’s a ripple effect there. I think you’ll see Tua out (in Miami). With Tua, they’re going to see he’s not who they thought he was and the owner (Stephen Ross) won’t wait.”
• “I would assume the next one is Jimmy Garoppolo. Then Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr. Roethlisberger is on his way out. Maybe Matt Ryan. So yeah, there are pretty obvious choices for more movement.”
• “Not necessarily. There’s trends in the NFL, but I think most of this QB movement was unique to the situation. It made sense for the Lions to move on from Stafford. You’re rebuilding and you haven’t won sh*t with him anyway. Goff was more interesting since they were just in the Super Bowl and they took a big financial hit just to move on from him.”
• “This is an instant gratification era, and that will have teams make moves faster.”
• “This is the new norm. Teams will move quicker. Hey, the union f*cked it up and made rookie contracts cheap to move on from.”
• “Players watch what’s going on around the league. It’s getting easier to voice concerns and displeasure on social media.”
• “I expect Rodgers to be in that mix next year, so yes, but not as crazy and less movement than in the past.”
• “Yes. (Ben) Roethlisberger will be out (in Pittsburgh), and there’s a ripple effect there. I think you’ll see Tua out (in Miami). With Tua, they’re going to see he’s not who they thought he was and the owner (Stephen Ross) won’t wait.”
• “I would assume the next one is Jimmy Garoppolo. Then Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr. Roethlisberger is on his way out. Maybe Matt Ryan. So yeah, there are pretty obvious choices for more movement.”
• “Not necessarily. There’s trends in the NFL, but I think most of this QB movement was unique to the situation. It made sense for the Lions to move on from Stafford. You’re rebuilding and you haven’t won sh*t with him anyway. Goff was more interesting since they were just in the Super Bowl and they took a big financial hit just to move on from him.”
• “This is an instant gratification era, and that will have teams make moves faster.”
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7. Among GMs or front-office leaders, who is the best talent evaluator?
Colts GM Chris Ballard (10.5 votes)
• “He does things with such excellence. Gathers wisdom from people he trusts. He listens. Has such a wise approach.”
• “His pedigree as a former college assistant. He’s evaluated players throughout his career, so he gets it.”
Broncos GM George Paton (four votes)
• “The talent influx in Denver will go up dramatically.”
Seahawks GM John Schneider (2.5 votes)
• “He does an excellent job of evaluating a player on another team and projecting him into his system.”
Others: Browns GM Andrew Berry, Steelers GM Kevin Colbert, Ravens GM Eric DeCosta, Dolphins GM Chris Grier, Chiefs GM Brett Veach (two votes); Bills GM Brandon Beane, Lions senior personnel executive John Dorsey, Panthers GM Scott Fitterer, Seahawks senior executive Alonzo Highsmith, former 49ers/Washington GM Scot McCloughan, 49ers vice president of player personnel Adam Peters.
(Note: Ballard also received the most votes in this category the past two years.)
8. Among GMs or front-office leaders, whom do you trust the most?
Broncos GM George Paton (3.5 votes)
• “He doesn’t overly complicate things or ride a high horse.”
• “(Paton) has high football intelligence and is a dynamic personality. Trustworthy and a fair negotiator. I think he’s going to have a lot of success in Denver.”
Colts GM Chris Ballard, Browns GM Andrew Berry (three votes)
• “Chris Ballard and no one else.”
• “Andrew Berry is young and still learning the ropes, but he keeps it straight-up with agents. He’s involved and doesn’t just punt contracts to the cap guy like some teams.”
Seahawks GM John Schneider (2.5 votes)
• “He’s always dealt with me with a lot of integrity.”
Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Ravens GM Eric DeCosta, Titans GM Jon Robinson, none (two votes)
• “I have dealt with (Belichick) for years. He’s been very accountable to me. Reliable and kept his word.”
• “I don’t really trust any of them, but Baltimore will set you straight. Ozzie Newsome set an atmosphere there that DeCosta has maintained.”
• “(Robinson is a) salt-of-the-earth guy.”
• “None. Even the ones who are your friends have a job to do in the best interest of their team.”
Others: Bills GM Brandon Beane, Panthers GM Scott Fitterer, Texans GM Nick Caserio, Dolphins GM Chris Grier, Saints GM Mickey Loomis, Raiders GM Mike Mayock, Bears GM Ryan Pace, 49ers director of pro personnel Ran Carthon, Saints VP of football administration Khai Harley, Washington executive VP Marty Hurney, Packers co-director of player personnel Jon-Eric Sullivan, Patriots consultant Eliot Wolf.
• “(Caserio) is a straight shooter. He has always backed up what he said, at least historically.”
• “Fitterer has the 3 H’s: Honest, humble and helpful.”
(Note: Ballard received the most votes in this category last year.)
9. Among GMs or front-office leaders, whom do you trust the least?
Eagles GM Howie Roseman (seven votes)
• “He’s always playing both sides at all times. He’s not dishonest. He’s a hedger. Always makes sure he has a side deal.”
• “Howie will do what Howie needs to do. I say that with tremendous reverence, but I don’t trust him.”
• “This is easy. He tells you one thing and does the opposite. You can tell him something and say it stays with us and then three or four people are hitting me up about what we discussed. It doesn’t make him a bad guy, but there’s no transparency.”
• “Why? Because he’s Howie. I would have said (former Washington team president) Bruce Allen, but he’s gone.”
Patriots coach Bill Belichick (six votes)
• “(He’s) not deceitful. We just haven’t had a good relationship. He fights hard for what he wants, and I do the same in the opposite direction.”
• “They always have a plan in place, and they know how they plan to use it. From a communication standpoint, they’re not an organization where you can have a conversation about what’s happening with your clients.”
• “It’s not that he’s done anything wrong, but he’s team-first always, so everything is slanted their way all the time. Like, he shops for dudes who take that approach. He always had the franchise QB to get away with that.”
Jets GM Joe Douglas (three votes)
• “The organization is so bad, it’s hard to trust anything that comes out of there.”
• “Part of that is just his circumstances with ownership, but they’ve told multiple players things in the last couple of years that just haven’t been true.”
Dolphins coach Brian Flores (two votes)
• “He recruited Kyle Van Noy, Ereck Flowers, Shaq Lawson and one year later unloaded all of them. That’s really negative for me from an agent and player standpoint. You think you’re going to be there a while and then he lets these guys go. That’s brutal and something he’s going to have to repair with agents in my estimation. I really think Flores is running that team.”
Others: Bears GM Ryan Pace, Giants GM Dave Gettleman, Vikings GM Rick Spielman, Chargers GM Tom Telesco, former Lions GM Bob Quinn, Browns chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta, the front offices of the Bengals, Buccaneers, Cowboys, Jaguars, Raiders and Texans.
• “Probably the owner more than (DePodesta) but that they fired (Dorsey) because he wasn’t following the Moneyball guy’s advice even though he assembled the best roster in decades is crazy.”
• “Gettleman has no relationship with agents. There’s no distrust but no trust for sure.”
• “Texans. Pick your poison: Easterby or Caserio.”
(Note: Belichick received the most votes in this category last year.)
Colts GM Chris Ballard (10.5 votes)
• “He does things with such excellence. Gathers wisdom from people he trusts. He listens. Has such a wise approach.”
• “His pedigree as a former college assistant. He’s evaluated players throughout his career, so he gets it.”
Broncos GM George Paton (four votes)
• “The talent influx in Denver will go up dramatically.”
Seahawks GM John Schneider (2.5 votes)
• “He does an excellent job of evaluating a player on another team and projecting him into his system.”
Others: Browns GM Andrew Berry, Steelers GM Kevin Colbert, Ravens GM Eric DeCosta, Dolphins GM Chris Grier, Chiefs GM Brett Veach (two votes); Bills GM Brandon Beane, Lions senior personnel executive John Dorsey, Panthers GM Scott Fitterer, Seahawks senior executive Alonzo Highsmith, former 49ers/Washington GM Scot McCloughan, 49ers vice president of player personnel Adam Peters.
(Note: Ballard also received the most votes in this category the past two years.)
8. Among GMs or front-office leaders, whom do you trust the most?
Broncos GM George Paton (3.5 votes)
• “He doesn’t overly complicate things or ride a high horse.”
• “(Paton) has high football intelligence and is a dynamic personality. Trustworthy and a fair negotiator. I think he’s going to have a lot of success in Denver.”
Colts GM Chris Ballard, Browns GM Andrew Berry (three votes)
• “Chris Ballard and no one else.”
• “Andrew Berry is young and still learning the ropes, but he keeps it straight-up with agents. He’s involved and doesn’t just punt contracts to the cap guy like some teams.”
Seahawks GM John Schneider (2.5 votes)
• “He’s always dealt with me with a lot of integrity.”
Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Ravens GM Eric DeCosta, Titans GM Jon Robinson, none (two votes)
• “I have dealt with (Belichick) for years. He’s been very accountable to me. Reliable and kept his word.”
• “I don’t really trust any of them, but Baltimore will set you straight. Ozzie Newsome set an atmosphere there that DeCosta has maintained.”
• “(Robinson is a) salt-of-the-earth guy.”
• “None. Even the ones who are your friends have a job to do in the best interest of their team.”
Others: Bills GM Brandon Beane, Panthers GM Scott Fitterer, Texans GM Nick Caserio, Dolphins GM Chris Grier, Saints GM Mickey Loomis, Raiders GM Mike Mayock, Bears GM Ryan Pace, 49ers director of pro personnel Ran Carthon, Saints VP of football administration Khai Harley, Washington executive VP Marty Hurney, Packers co-director of player personnel Jon-Eric Sullivan, Patriots consultant Eliot Wolf.
• “(Caserio) is a straight shooter. He has always backed up what he said, at least historically.”
• “Fitterer has the 3 H’s: Honest, humble and helpful.”
(Note: Ballard received the most votes in this category last year.)
9. Among GMs or front-office leaders, whom do you trust the least?
Eagles GM Howie Roseman (seven votes)
• “He’s always playing both sides at all times. He’s not dishonest. He’s a hedger. Always makes sure he has a side deal.”
• “Howie will do what Howie needs to do. I say that with tremendous reverence, but I don’t trust him.”
• “This is easy. He tells you one thing and does the opposite. You can tell him something and say it stays with us and then three or four people are hitting me up about what we discussed. It doesn’t make him a bad guy, but there’s no transparency.”
• “Why? Because he’s Howie. I would have said (former Washington team president) Bruce Allen, but he’s gone.”
Patriots coach Bill Belichick (six votes)
• “(He’s) not deceitful. We just haven’t had a good relationship. He fights hard for what he wants, and I do the same in the opposite direction.”
• “They always have a plan in place, and they know how they plan to use it. From a communication standpoint, they’re not an organization where you can have a conversation about what’s happening with your clients.”
• “It’s not that he’s done anything wrong, but he’s team-first always, so everything is slanted their way all the time. Like, he shops for dudes who take that approach. He always had the franchise QB to get away with that.”
Jets GM Joe Douglas (three votes)
• “The organization is so bad, it’s hard to trust anything that comes out of there.”
• “Part of that is just his circumstances with ownership, but they’ve told multiple players things in the last couple of years that just haven’t been true.”
Dolphins coach Brian Flores (two votes)
• “He recruited Kyle Van Noy, Ereck Flowers, Shaq Lawson and one year later unloaded all of them. That’s really negative for me from an agent and player standpoint. You think you’re going to be there a while and then he lets these guys go. That’s brutal and something he’s going to have to repair with agents in my estimation. I really think Flores is running that team.”
Others: Bears GM Ryan Pace, Giants GM Dave Gettleman, Vikings GM Rick Spielman, Chargers GM Tom Telesco, former Lions GM Bob Quinn, Browns chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta, the front offices of the Bengals, Buccaneers, Cowboys, Jaguars, Raiders and Texans.
• “Probably the owner more than (DePodesta) but that they fired (Dorsey) because he wasn’t following the Moneyball guy’s advice even though he assembled the best roster in decades is crazy.”
• “Gettleman has no relationship with agents. There’s no distrust but no trust for sure.”
• “Texans. Pick your poison: Easterby or Caserio.”
(Note: Belichick received the most votes in this category last year.)
And for the Anti-Rick Crowd:
11. Who is a future GM to watch?
Saints VP of football administration Khai Harley, 49ers vice president of player personnel Adam Peters, Patriots consultant Eliot Wolf, Chiefs director of football operations Mike Borgonzi, Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds, Bills assistant GM Joe Schoen (two votes)
• “(Dodds is a) great talent evaluator, which is the old-school GM trait, but also really good with people and has learned how this works under Chris Ballard. No BS. He’ll tell you he doesn’t like a player and why.”
• “Harley has done a brilliant job managing (the Saints’) cap. The organization runs deep in the front office, and he’s been around a lot of good guys.”
• “(Peters) should be a GM by now.”
• “Schoen is everything that Brandon Beane is. So talented.”
Others: Bengals scout Trey Brown, Browns vice president of player personnel Glenn Cook, Buccaneers vice president of football administration Mike Greenberg, Cardinals director of player personnel Dru Grigson, Jets assistant GM Rex Hogan, Dolphins co-director of player personnel Anthony Hunt, Raiders director of pro personnel Dwayne Joseph, Bears assistant director of player personnel Champ Kelly, Seahawks VP of player personnel Trent Kirchner, Lions director of scouting advancement Mike Martin, Buccaneers director of pro scouting Rob McCartney, Panthers assistant GM Dan Morgan, Ravens senior vice president of football operations Pat Moriarty, Jets director of pro personnel Greg Nejmeh, Athletes First senior executive Eric Schaffer, Panthers director of player negotiations Samir Suleiman, Packers co-director of player personnel Jon-Eric Sullivan, Seahawks director of pro personnel Nolan Teasley, Chiefs senior director of pro personnel Tim Terry, Browns national scout Charles Walls, Packers director of pro personnel Richmond Williams.
• “I don’t know how (Kirschner) doesn’t have a job by now.”
• “(Nejmeh) never misses on players. Never. He has a knack for understanding a player’s value and what to look for. You only let me pick one, but (Chiefs VP of football operations) Brandt Tilis is another future GM, for sure.”
• “(Sullivan) is running a team in the next few years. Understands the big picture of what the organization is trying to do but also sees how players fit. He has a really good viewpoint of what he sees.”
(Note: Paton shared the most votes in this category last year and was named Broncos GM in January. Also mentioned last year and hired as a GM in January were the Panthers’ Fitterer and Falcons’ Terry Fontenot.)
Saints VP of football administration Khai Harley, 49ers vice president of player personnel Adam Peters, Patriots consultant Eliot Wolf, Chiefs director of football operations Mike Borgonzi, Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds, Bills assistant GM Joe Schoen (two votes)
• “(Dodds is a) great talent evaluator, which is the old-school GM trait, but also really good with people and has learned how this works under Chris Ballard. No BS. He’ll tell you he doesn’t like a player and why.”
• “Harley has done a brilliant job managing (the Saints’) cap. The organization runs deep in the front office, and he’s been around a lot of good guys.”
• “(Peters) should be a GM by now.”
• “Schoen is everything that Brandon Beane is. So talented.”
Others: Bengals scout Trey Brown, Browns vice president of player personnel Glenn Cook, Buccaneers vice president of football administration Mike Greenberg, Cardinals director of player personnel Dru Grigson, Jets assistant GM Rex Hogan, Dolphins co-director of player personnel Anthony Hunt, Raiders director of pro personnel Dwayne Joseph, Bears assistant director of player personnel Champ Kelly, Seahawks VP of player personnel Trent Kirchner, Lions director of scouting advancement Mike Martin, Buccaneers director of pro scouting Rob McCartney, Panthers assistant GM Dan Morgan, Ravens senior vice president of football operations Pat Moriarty, Jets director of pro personnel Greg Nejmeh, Athletes First senior executive Eric Schaffer, Panthers director of player negotiations Samir Suleiman, Packers co-director of player personnel Jon-Eric Sullivan, Seahawks director of pro personnel Nolan Teasley, Chiefs senior director of pro personnel Tim Terry, Browns national scout Charles Walls, Packers director of pro personnel Richmond Williams.
• “I don’t know how (Kirschner) doesn’t have a job by now.”
• “(Nejmeh) never misses on players. Never. He has a knack for understanding a player’s value and what to look for. You only let me pick one, but (Chiefs VP of football operations) Brandt Tilis is another future GM, for sure.”
• “(Sullivan) is running a team in the next few years. Understands the big picture of what the organization is trying to do but also sees how players fit. He has a really good viewpoint of what he sees.”
(Note: Paton shared the most votes in this category last year and was named Broncos GM in January. Also mentioned last year and hired as a GM in January were the Panthers’ Fitterer and Falcons’ Terry Fontenot.)
Link:
theathletic.com/2762455/2021/08/24/nfl-agent-survey-33-reps-on-aaron-rodgers-dak-prescott-qb-power-and-the-most-trustworthy-gms/
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We really effed up big time, didn't we?! DIDN'T WE?!??!
... and neither is this Chris guy.
