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I think they are getting some good things done to improve us without alot of cap space to do it. That seems like a pretty good job...imo.
Obviously it p!sses off some people though...lol.

Please elaborate on "some good things to improve" "us" Also why don't "they" have much cap space in the first place for the second year in a row that will also carry over to next year. Then we can move forward in the discussion as to why it pisses some people off. 🤔

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I think they are getting some good things done to improve us without alot of cap space to do it. That seems like a pretty good job...imo.
Obviously it p!sses off some people though...lol.

Please elaborate on "some good things to improve" "us" Also why don't "they" have much cap space in the first place for the second year in a row that will also carry over to next year. Then we can move forward in the discussion.

To be fair there is a Pandemic going on which caused the salary cap to drop 8% from where it was last year. That's instead of the projected gains that every team accounts for when they are budgeting for the future. Had that not happened they would have been in ok cap shape, not swimming in room granted but they wouldn't have been so up against the wall.

You can blame Rick for a lot, but foreseeing a Pandemic cutting the cap is not really a fair expectation.

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I think they are getting some good things done to improve us without alot of cap space to do it. That seems like a pretty good job...imo.
Obviously it p!sses off some people though...lol.

Please elaborate on "some good things to improve" "us" Also why don't "they" have much cap space in the first place for the second year in a row that will also carry over to next year. Then we can move forward in the discussion as to why it pisses some people off. 🤔

Agreed.

The lack of cap is their own doing. This is the route THEY chose by paying Kirk $150mil over 5 yrs and other choices.

Giving them credit for overcoming an obstacle they created, which didn't need to exist btw, is odd.

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Mar 29, 2021 6:02:38 GMT -6 Brandon said:

Please elaborate on "some good things to improve" "us" Also why don't "they" have much cap space in the first place for the second year in a row that will also carry over to next year. Then we can move forward in the discussion.

To be fair there is a Pandemic going on which caused the salary cap to drop 8% from where it was last year. That's instead of the projected gains that every team accounts for when they are budgeting for the future. Had that not happened they would have been in ok cap shape, not swimming in room granted but they wouldn't have been so up against the wall.

You can blame Rick for a lot, but foreseeing a Pandemic cutting the cap is not really a fair expectation.

That wouldn't have changed much of anything. Don't blame that for it's all teams affected the same. They where in bad shape prior to the pandemic and would have been past on their own merit. Just yet another excuse that can be used to hide Rick's failure.

It also ties into coaching and development of in house players. When you don't draft well or coach well you get an empty roster. Not to mention bad FA moves both outside and inside.

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I think they are getting some good things done to improve us without alot of cap space to do it. That seems like a pretty good job...imo.
Obviously it p!sses off some people though...lol.

Please elaborate on "some good things to improve" "us" Also why don't "they" have much cap space in the first place for the second year in a row that will also carry over to next year. Then we can move forward in the discussion.

Ok losing Reiff was a step backwards in a position of weakness. However in my mind there was no weaker and thinner unit last year then defense. CB's lacked much veteran presence. So even if we had to lose Reiff and a personal favorite Rudy. Which by the way was the only real bummer of the off season for me. I believe they did enough to shore up the weak unit. Do you think our defense will s*ck as bad as last year? Do you not believe our defense was a big reason for our failures? If we improve that unit do we not improve ourselves overall.
Getting Hunter and Pierce this year along with adding a few pieces familiar with playing NFL football is a good thing.
Did I really say I believe in these guys or did I just say I believe they did the best they could do? Since they are still here why not hope they do their jobs and win sone games. If not then someone else will. That is the NFL.
It is still their jobs to lose right.

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Please elaborate on "some good things to improve" "us" Also why don't "they" have much cap space in the first place for the second year in a row that will also carry over to next year. Then we can move forward in the discussion.

Ok losing Reiff was a step backwards in a position of weakness. However in my mind there was no weaker and thinner unit last year then defense. CB's lacked much veteran presence. So even if we had to lose Reiff and a personal favorite Rudy. Which by the way was the only real bummer of the off season for me. I believe they did enough to shore up the weak unit. Do you think our defense will s*ck as bad as last year? Do you not believe our defense was a big reason for our failures? If we improve that unit do we not improve ourselves overall.
Getting Hunter and Pierce this year along with adding a few pieces familiar with playing NFL football is a good thing.
Did I really say I believe in these guys or did I just say I believe they did the best they could do? Since they are still here why not hope they do their jobs and win sone games. If not then someone else will. That is the NFL.
It is still their jobs to lose right.

Bingo..The defense was the huge liability last year, our offense was the best its been in years especially Kirks play after the bye week was probably the best hes looked in years. Reiffs replacement is the huge wildcard obviously and should be our first round pick. The woods signing gives us even more flexibility with the draft as well.

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Xavier Woods is a mediocre safety who can come up and make the tackle, but his low pass defensed stats and his less than stellar coverage skills means he is questionable in the passing game. Yes, he was a starter, but the Cowboys did not retain Woods for a reason.

Rick Spielman, and the Minnesota Vikings, should have had a young player ready to go to replace Harris, but drafting for need and for pet positions in previous years has left the cupboard bare.

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Mar 29, 2021 6:32:42 GMT -6 andhesloose28 said:

Ok losing Reiff was a step backwards in a position of weakness. However in my mind there was no weaker and thinner unit last year then defense. CB's lacked much veteran presence. So even if we had to lose Reiff and a personal favorite Rudy. Which by the way was the only real bummer of the off season for me. I believe they did enough to shore up the weak unit. Do you think our defense will s*ck as bad as last year? Do you not believe our defense was a big reason for our failures? If we improve that unit do we not improve ourselves overall.
Getting Hunter and Pierce this year along with adding a few pieces familiar with playing NFL football is a good thing.
Did I really say I believe in these guys or did I just say I believe they did the best they could do? Since they are still here why not hope they do their jobs and win sone games. If not then someone else will. That is the NFL.
It is still their jobs to lose right.

Bingo..The defense was the huge liability last year, our offense was the best its been in years especially Kirks play after the bye week was probably the best hes looked in years. Reiffs replacement is the huge wildcard obviously and should be our first round pick. The woods signing gives us even more flexibility with the draft as well.

The defense was a shambles. The NFL had figured out Zimmer's defensive scheme years ago, and not having Pro Bowl players all over the place has shown how suspect that scheme has become.

All this talk about how well Kirk played in the second half ignores how dismal his game was at the start of the season and ignores how much of his great play was against poor defenses or earned in garbage time. That isn't to say Kirk Cousins could not have a great season, but it does mean half seasons and garbage time stats don't count much in the NFL.

If the offensive line is not improved, the Vikings will falter come playoff time. If they miss the playoffs or get spanked when they get there, some heads will need to roll.

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Please elaborate on "some good things to improve" "us" Also why don't "they" have much cap space in the first place for the second year in a row that will also carry over to next year. Then we can move forward in the discussion.

Ok losing Reiff was a step backwards in a position of weakness. However in my mind there was no weaker and thinner unit last year then defense. CB's lacked much veteran presence. So even if we had to lose Reiff and a personal favorite Rudy. Which by the way was the only real bummer of the off season for me. I believe they did enough to shore up the weak unit. Do you think our defense will s*ck as bad as last year? Do you not believe our defense was a big reason for our failures? If we improve that unit do we not improve ourselves overall.
Getting Hunter and Pierce this year along with adding a few pieces familiar with playing NFL football is a good thing.
Did I really say I believe in these guys or did I just say I believe they did the best they could do? Since they are still here why not hope they do their jobs and win sone games. If not then someone else will. That is the NFL.
It is still their jobs to lose right.

What good is veteran presence if the talent level isn't there? If other players need a hype man to play better it sure didn't help the Vikings Cowboys or Cardinals.

The problem with the defense was all 3 levels had holes and at this point I don't see that as fixed. They spent most all their resources on defense yet didn't drastically improve and used it in odd ways.

The D was missing inside pressure 3T and that hasn't been addressed they where lacking a RDE that hasn't been addressed they had issues at LB outside of Kendricks and that hasn't been addressed. At S Harris was and is better than Woods so that is a step backwards. At CB Peterson has been one of the worst starting CBs for 3 years and being here wont help. A true shut down corner is always playing cover 0 no matter what team or system. So adding a S that is worse adding two none disruptive NT and taking away the most valued position on the OL at LT isn't a positive. So as we sit at this point with the draft and some lower level FA to fill out the remaining spots here is what they need.

QB RB WR TE OL 4 spots and BU 3T RDE S CB LB. There is very little depth and again many will be forced as starters not because of talent because that's what they got.

But see what pisses some of us off is this is the same pattern year after year and people just have a meh who cares attitude and they quickly forget how they felt the year before and the year before that. Even if you just want entertainment at some point sucking has to ruin even that.

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Mar 29, 2021 6:45:11 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Ok losing Reiff was a step backwards in a position of weakness. However in my mind there was no weaker and thinner unit last year then defense. CB's lacked much veteran presence. So even if we had to lose Reiff and a personal favorite Rudy. Which by the way was the only real bummer of the off season for me. I believe they did enough to shore up the weak unit. Do you think our defense will s*ck as bad as last year? Do you not believe our defense was a big reason for our failures? If we improve that unit do we not improve ourselves overall.
Getting Hunter and Pierce this year along with adding a few pieces familiar with playing NFL football is a good thing.
Did I really say I believe in these guys or did I just say I believe they did the best they could do? Since they are still here why not hope they do their jobs and win sone games. If not then someone else will. That is the NFL.
It is still their jobs to lose right.

What good is veteran presence if the talent level isn't there? If other players need a hype man to play better it sure didn't help the Vikings Cowboys or Cardinals.

The problem with the defense was all 3 levels had holes and at this point I don't see that as fixed. They spent most all their resources on defense yet didn't drastically improve and used it in odd ways.

The D was missing inside pressure 3T and that hasn't been addressed they where lacking a RDE that hasn't been addressed they had issues at LB outside of Kendricks and that hasn't been addressed. At S Harris was and is better than Woods so that is a step backwards. At CB Peterson has been one of the worst starting CBs for 3 years and being here wont help. A true shut down corner is always playing cover 0 no matter what team or system. So adding a S that is worse adding two none disruptive NT and taking away the most valued position on the OL at LT isn't a positive. So as we sit at this point with the draft and some lower level FA to fill out the remaining spots here is what they need.

QB RB WR TE OL 4 spots and BU 3T RDE S CB LB. There is very little depth and again many will be forced as starters not because of talent because that's what they got.

But see what pisses some of us off is this is the same pattern year after year and people just have a meh who cares attitude and they quickly forget how they felt the year before and the year before that. Even if you just want entertainment at some point sucking has to ruin even that.

I think all they are doing is creating more not less options for when draft time comes.
Come on Pit. You know I'm no big fan of Rick or Zimmer. They didn't get fired. Which if you remember I wasn't totally against. Yes maybe they are doing just enough again. Jeez I can't even begrudgingly give someone credit for doing their job while they still have it I guess. Again, how is saying they did the best they could with the resources available a glowing endorsement?

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Mar 29, 2021 6:34:07 GMT -6 Minniman said:

Xavier Woods is a mediocre safety who can come up and make the tackle, but his low pass defensed stats and his less than stellar coverage skills means he is questionable in the passing game. Yes, he was a starter, but the Cowboys did not retain Woods for a reason.

Rick Spielman, and the Minnesota Vikings, should have had a young player ready to go to replace Harris, but drafting for need and for pet positions in previous years has left the cupboard bare.

One year deal for 2.5 million lol acting like the guy is locked up for 5 years 50 million. Safety is one of the least valuable positions in the league especially next to a hall of famer. We have that kid Josh Matellus as well.

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