Post by whoskmoon on Feb 20, 2021 21:22:06 GMT -6
The 2020 season was a disappointment, primarily on defense, and there is no question that the defense needs to get better. The question is, how?
Hunter coming back will certainly help. If he had a year similar to 2019, where he had 88 total pressures, and every other player on the Dline remained the same, the Viking's pressure totals would nearly double from their 110 total (among qualifying dlinemen) in 2020. That is huge.
Of course in 2019 Hunter was rarely doubled, and if he is the only real pass rushing threat, that likely would change in 2021. You also have to factor in how long the secondary can hold their coverage, and if they can provide time for Hunter to pressure the QB. If there isn't a significant improvement over 2020, it won't matter how good Hunter is, QBs will continue to torch us. That means even with Hunter coming back, we need to see the rookies, Gladney and Dantzler, make significant strides in order for the defense to get significantly better. As well as see a rookie come in and make a huge impact in the pass rushing department.
But can the CBs get better, and is it realistic to expect that kind of impact from a rookie DE or DT?
The answer to that is...probably not. Rookies on average, don't become good coverage corners in their 2nd season after struggling their rookie seasons and while there are a number of DEs and DTs who are impact players as rookies, it doesn't happen often.
First lets look at the last 3 seasons of sophomore CBs, and compare them to their rookie seasons. I used the coverage grade exclusively for this, since covering is what CBs are primarily out on the field to do. I also had a snap count minimum of 400 and removed any CBs that didn't play at least 400 snaps in both their rookie and sophomore seasons.
2017-2018 Sophomore CB "Improvement"
2018-2019 Sophomore CB "Improvement"
2019-2020 Sophomore CB "Improvement"
These numbers were not what I was expecting at all. Of the 24 CBs who met my qualifications, only 5 improved from their rookie seasons to their sophomore seasons. It also isn't like the decrease in play is insignificant either. The average difference for 2019 and 2020 sophomores was about -6 points, and in 2018 it was a whopping 12.
There is hope though. Looking at the only CB who graded out similar to Gladney at a 48.5 coverage grade, Byron Murphy, we see that he took a huge leap in 2020 to be a passable coverage corner. For CBs in Dantzler's range, Jaire Alexander took a positive step forward while most remained the same or took a significant step backwards.
On to the rookie d-linemen. For a rookie d-lineman to have a significant, positive impact on the pass rush, they need to meet two criteria: They play a lot of snaps and they get after the QB a lot. 50% of pass rush snaps and 7+% pass rush win rate. Pretty straightforward, and it actually made my search pretty easy, because so few rookies meet that criteria.
I went back to 2010 for this one to find a large enough sample size.
2010
Lamar Houston - 7.3 pressure percentage
2011
Aldon Smith - 11.8
Von Miller - 9.3
Ryan Kerrigan - 7.5
Adrian Claiborn - 7.1
2012
Bruce Irvin - 8.0
2015
Markus Golden - 9.0
Preston Smith - 7.2
2016
Joey Bosa - 10.3
2017
Carl Lawson - 9.6
Myles Garret - 7.6
Derek Barnett - 7.1 (I didn't realize he had such a good rookie year)
2018
Bradley Chubb - 8.2
2019
Nick Bosa - 9.7
Josh Allen - 8.5
That is 15 dlinemen in 11 drafts who came out of the gate generating pressure at a high rate. About 1.36 a year. It does happen, and it doesn't even necessarily require a top 10 pick. Barnett was drafted 14th overall for instance, and look at what he did for that Philly D on their way to the SB...
So how do we get significantly better on defense? Well, we don't, not through the draft and with what we have currently on the roster anyway. The D will be better because of Hunter, but the odds are against our sophomore corners making big strides or any rookie D-lineman coming in and taking heat off of Hunter.
Ideally, the Vikings go out and add a guy or 3 in free agency. One of the Dlinemen above, Carl Lawson, might be in our price range and if he is, the Vikings should make him an offer. I think the Vikings also need to seriously consider finding a FA vet CB to compete with Gladney for the #2 CB spot. Use the cap being lower to their advantage and sign a vet looking to prove himself while not locking into a long term contract in a down cap year, to a one year deal. They add two pieces that could be cheaper than usual in a weird off season, and maybe they have a shot at getting back to being a top 10 defense.
Hunter coming back will certainly help. If he had a year similar to 2019, where he had 88 total pressures, and every other player on the Dline remained the same, the Viking's pressure totals would nearly double from their 110 total (among qualifying dlinemen) in 2020. That is huge.
Of course in 2019 Hunter was rarely doubled, and if he is the only real pass rushing threat, that likely would change in 2021. You also have to factor in how long the secondary can hold their coverage, and if they can provide time for Hunter to pressure the QB. If there isn't a significant improvement over 2020, it won't matter how good Hunter is, QBs will continue to torch us. That means even with Hunter coming back, we need to see the rookies, Gladney and Dantzler, make significant strides in order for the defense to get significantly better. As well as see a rookie come in and make a huge impact in the pass rushing department.
But can the CBs get better, and is it realistic to expect that kind of impact from a rookie DE or DT?
The answer to that is...probably not. Rookies on average, don't become good coverage corners in their 2nd season after struggling their rookie seasons and while there are a number of DEs and DTs who are impact players as rookies, it doesn't happen often.
First lets look at the last 3 seasons of sophomore CBs, and compare them to their rookie seasons. I used the coverage grade exclusively for this, since covering is what CBs are primarily out on the field to do. I also had a snap count minimum of 400 and removed any CBs that didn't play at least 400 snaps in both their rookie and sophomore seasons.
2017-2018 Sophomore CB "Improvement"
Player | 2017 grade | 2018 grade | Difference |
---|---|---|---|
T White | 89.8 | 62.5 | -27.3 |
Lattimore | 87.7 | 71.7 | -16 |
D King II | 86.6 | 91.1 | 4.5 |
A Jackson | 75.3 | 69 | -6.3 |
M Humphrey | 75.3 | 80.1 | 4.8 |
A Witherspoon | 73.7 | 39.8 | -33.9 |
Q Wilson | 68.3 | 62.9 | -5.4 |
S Griffen | 63 | 51.9 | -11.1 |
Averages | 77.4625 | 69.03333333 | -12.36666667 |
2018-2019 Sophomore CB "Improvement"
Player | 2018 grade | 2019 grade | Difference |
---|---|---|---|
Wallace | 85.3 | 68.3 | -17 |
Ward | 83.6 | 72.7 | -10.9 |
Alexander | 73 | 77.5 | 4.5 |
Haley | 73 | 50.7 | -22.3 |
D Jackson | 67.2 | 56.3 | -10.9 |
A Maddox | 60.7 | 57.4 | -3.3 |
C Davis | 59 | 72.1 | 13.1 |
Tre Flowers | 56.5 | 53.1 | -3.4 |
Averages | 69.7875 | 63.5125 | -6.275 |
2019-2020 Sophomore CB "Improvement"
Player | 2019 grade | 2020 grade | Difference |
---|---|---|---|
Bunting | 66.4 | 55.3 | -11.1 |
Ya-Sin | 62.2 | 48.2 | -14 |
Moreland | 61.3 | 56.7 | -4.6 |
Needham | 60 | 45.3 | -14.7 |
Mullen | 59 | 58.3 | -0.7 |
Sheffield | 53.6 | 36.9 | -16.7 |
Murphy | 48.5 | 63.3 | 14.8 |
Averages | 58.71428571 | 52 | -6.714285714 |
These numbers were not what I was expecting at all. Of the 24 CBs who met my qualifications, only 5 improved from their rookie seasons to their sophomore seasons. It also isn't like the decrease in play is insignificant either. The average difference for 2019 and 2020 sophomores was about -6 points, and in 2018 it was a whopping 12.
There is hope though. Looking at the only CB who graded out similar to Gladney at a 48.5 coverage grade, Byron Murphy, we see that he took a huge leap in 2020 to be a passable coverage corner. For CBs in Dantzler's range, Jaire Alexander took a positive step forward while most remained the same or took a significant step backwards.
On to the rookie d-linemen. For a rookie d-lineman to have a significant, positive impact on the pass rush, they need to meet two criteria: They play a lot of snaps and they get after the QB a lot. 50% of pass rush snaps and 7+% pass rush win rate. Pretty straightforward, and it actually made my search pretty easy, because so few rookies meet that criteria.
I went back to 2010 for this one to find a large enough sample size.
2010
Lamar Houston - 7.3 pressure percentage
2011
Aldon Smith - 11.8
Von Miller - 9.3
Ryan Kerrigan - 7.5
Adrian Claiborn - 7.1
2012
Bruce Irvin - 8.0
2015
Markus Golden - 9.0
Preston Smith - 7.2
2016
Joey Bosa - 10.3
2017
Carl Lawson - 9.6
Myles Garret - 7.6
Derek Barnett - 7.1 (I didn't realize he had such a good rookie year)
2018
Bradley Chubb - 8.2
2019
Nick Bosa - 9.7
Josh Allen - 8.5
That is 15 dlinemen in 11 drafts who came out of the gate generating pressure at a high rate. About 1.36 a year. It does happen, and it doesn't even necessarily require a top 10 pick. Barnett was drafted 14th overall for instance, and look at what he did for that Philly D on their way to the SB...
So how do we get significantly better on defense? Well, we don't, not through the draft and with what we have currently on the roster anyway. The D will be better because of Hunter, but the odds are against our sophomore corners making big strides or any rookie D-lineman coming in and taking heat off of Hunter.
Ideally, the Vikings go out and add a guy or 3 in free agency. One of the Dlinemen above, Carl Lawson, might be in our price range and if he is, the Vikings should make him an offer. I think the Vikings also need to seriously consider finding a FA vet CB to compete with Gladney for the #2 CB spot. Use the cap being lower to their advantage and sign a vet looking to prove himself while not locking into a long term contract in a down cap year, to a one year deal. They add two pieces that could be cheaper than usual in a weird off season, and maybe they have a shot at getting back to being a top 10 defense.