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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 20:52:47 GMT -6 via mobile comet52 likes this

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Dec 1, 2020 20:31:57 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:25:24 GMT -6 ozzvic said:

Is Cousins below average not saying he's elite but lets break it down by division

AFC East

Dolphins- Tua/Fitzpatrick
Bills- Allen
Patriots- Cam
Jets- Darnald

I think besides Allen Cousins would be a upgrade

AFC North

Pitt- Roethlisberger
Bal- Jackson
Cle- Mayfield
Cin- Burrow(pre injury)

I'll say this is a wash because Ben is a HOF QB and the other 3 are young and seem to be good fits with their teams

AFC South

Indy- Rivers
Tenn- Tannehill
Hou- Watson
Jax- Minshew

Definitely a better QB then Tannehill & Minshew and might be better then Rivers now.

AFC West

Den- Lock
KC- Mahomes
LV- Carr
LA- Hubert

Would be better then Lock and i think would be a wash with Carr in terms they wouldn't be any better or worse if Cousins was there.

Thats at least 6-7 teams out of 16 he would be a upgrade on

NFC East

NYG- Jones
Dal- Dak/Dalton
Wash- Haskins/Smith
Philly- Wentz

Besides Dak he would be a upgrade i bet Washington wishes he was still there looking at how that division looks right now

NFC North

Pack- Rodgers
Minn- Cousins
Chi- Trubisky/Foles
Det- Stafford

He would be a upgrade on Chicago and i think him & Stafford are the same type of QB

NFC South

NO- Brees
Car- Teddy
ATL- Ryan
TB- Brady

Carolina would be better with Cousins and maybe even TB. Yes Brady is a HOF QB and might be the greatest ever but we're talking now. I think Cousins with Evens, Goodwin, AB and Gronk would do goid there too. Might even say that about Brees in NO too but I'll just say Carolina for sure

NFC West

Sea- Wilson
SF- Jimmy G
LA- Goff
Ari- Murray

Cousins is better then SF and Goff is great one week and horrible the next so it's not like Goff is that much better.

Thats about 6 or 7 teams out of the other 15 NFC teams that i think he would be a upgrade over.

By my estimation he's kinda above average not below but i welcome your opinion on this.

How many SBs has he been to? How many games has he won while playing against good team when the Vikings are losing? How many games has he been a leader, like Case was, where the fans love him. How many game has he played clutch football? Waiting for a response. Chose only the stats that fir your argument.

If you want to compare him to Case that is fair. You will then need to look at points given up each year by the defense to see how many games the team would have one with each. You basically have to give Kirk a 10 point deficit to start every game compared Case.

Vikings Defense PPG by year
2017 15.75 ppg
2018 21.3 ppg
2019 27.7 ppg
2020 28 ppg

Now you are going to say I am Kirk homer because I am saying this. I am not. I am just giving an observation

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 20:57:30 GMT -6

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Dec 1, 2020 20:52:47 GMT -6 legendsofthenorth said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:31:57 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

How many SBs has he been to? How many games has he won while playing against good team when the Vikings are losing? How many games has he been a leader, like Case was, where the fans love him. How many game has he played clutch football? Waiting for a response. Chose only the stats that fir your argument.

If you want to compare him to Case that is fair. You will then need to look at points given up each year by the defense to see how many games the team would have one with each. You basically have to give Kirk a 10 point deficit to start every game compared Case.

Vikings Defense PPG by year
2017 15.75 ppg
2018 21.3 ppg
2019 27.7 ppg
2020 28 ppg

Now you are going to say I am Kirk homer because I am saying this. I am not. I am just giving an observation

Trust me, I have heard every excuse in the world for Kirky. This one is nothing new. Good QB rise above bad Ds when need. Look it up.

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 20:59:23 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 1, 2020 20:57:30 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:52:47 GMT -6 legendsofthenorth said:

If you want to compare him to Case that is fair. You will then need to look at points given up each year by the defense to see how many games the team would have one with each. You basically have to give Kirk a 10 point deficit to start every game compared Case.

Vikings Defense PPG by year
2017 15.75 ppg
2018 21.3 ppg
2019 27.7 ppg
2020 28 ppg

Now you are going to say I am Kirk homer because I am saying this. I am not. I am just giving an observation

Trust me, I have heard every excuse in the world for Kirky. This one is nothing new. Good QB rise above bad Ds when need. Look it up.

Which ones?

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 21:03:55 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 1, 2020 20:57:30 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:52:47 GMT -6 legendsofthenorth said:

If you want to compare him to Case that is fair. You will then need to look at points given up each year by the defense to see how many games the team would have one with each. You basically have to give Kirk a 10 point deficit to start every game compared Case.

Vikings Defense PPG by year
2017 15.75 ppg
2018 21.3 ppg
2019 27.7 ppg
2020 28 ppg

Now you are going to say I am Kirk homer because I am saying this. I am not. I am just giving an observation

Trust me, I have heard every excuse in the world for Kirky. This one is nothing new. Good QB rise above bad Ds when need. Look it up.

Reall? Look up how many game Brady has won when his defense gave up more that 30 points per game and get back to us. Or Rodgers for that matter.

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 21:09:45 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 1, 2020 20:33:31 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Dec 1, 2020 19:08:48 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

The Jags actually have motivation to win. They get a better draft pick with each lose by the mighty Vikings.

Win or lose the Jets and the Jags look to be picking in the top 2 in April regardless what the rest of the league does the last 5 games.

As for us we need to go 5-0 or 4-1 to have any hope of the postseason.

They beat us they knock us down lower on draft day. They have our 2nd rd pick so they have reason to beat us.

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 21:18:16 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 1, 2020 21:09:45 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:33:31 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Win or lose the Jets and the Jags look to be picking in the top 2 in April regardless what the rest of the league does the last 5 games.

As for us we need to go 5-0 or 4-1 to have any hope of the postseason.

They beat us they knock us down lower on draft day. They have our 2nd rd pick so they have reason to beat us.

Yup and a loss for us could swing it 7-10 spots based on how things are bunch up in the standings

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 21:19:07 GMT -6

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Dec 1, 2020 21:03:55 GMT -6 Raptorman said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:57:30 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Trust me, I have heard every excuse in the world for Kirky. This one is nothing new. Good QB rise above bad Ds when need. Look it up.

Reall? Look up how many game Brady has won when his defense gave up more that 30 points per game and get back to us. Or Rodgers for that matter.

How many of those listed by the OP are 30+ points? Plus I honestly dont care what other QBs can do or cant, or think they can do. I care about the Vikings QB. And Cousins fails, every year. He was a huge waste of time and money is is hopefully gone. I dont care id Don Knots is the QB (is he still alive?).

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 21:27:32 GMT -6 via mobile

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The sad part is the best the NFC will have is 6 winning teams for postseason seeding. It could also be less. The AFC at this point has 9 so I would guess all that enter will be +.500. Only 3 teams in the NFC have at least 8 wins the AFC has 5 to date.

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 1, 2020 22:03:15 GMT -6

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Dec 1, 2020 21:09:45 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:33:31 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Win or lose the Jets and the Jags look to be picking in the top 2 in April regardless what the rest of the league does the last 5 games.

As for us we need to go 5-0 or 4-1 to have any hope of the postseason.

They beat us they knock us down lower on draft day. They have our 2nd rd pick so they have reason to beat us.

Good point. 2nd rd pick motivation. Get this, they have had one winning season since 2007. The Jags were good in the early years with Coughlin as coach/GM. The only reason I paid attention to the Jags was because I watched a lot of Tony Boselli at USC and they drafted him. Original Jags owner Weaver sold the team in 2011. The new owner hired GM Dave Caldwell shorty after and the team has been bad.

Do you see us making a run if we somehow don't Falcon the Jags? Come away at 6-6 with 4 to play?? Your thoughts?

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 2, 2020 1:42:28 GMT -6

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Dec 1, 2020 21:09:45 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:33:31 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Win or lose the Jets and the Jags look to be picking in the top 2 in April regardless what the rest of the league does the last 5 games.

As for us we need to go 5-0 or 4-1 to have any hope of the postseason.

They beat us they knock us down lower on draft day. They have our 2nd rd pick so they have reason to beat us.

you really think they care more about our 2nd than they do their own 1st? That's some pretty silly logic. Not that I think they're going to let us win, because I think this idea that teams care about their draft position during the season is a narrative only fans get caught up in, but if you're going with it, they would absolutely want to continue to lose to ensure they keep that 2nd overall pick and potentially move up to 1st overall if the Jets can squeak out a win somewhere

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 2, 2020 7:49:20 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 2, 2020 1:42:28 GMT -6 HarryHits22 said:

Dec 1, 2020 21:09:45 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

They beat us they knock us down lower on draft day. They have our 2nd rd pick so they have reason to beat us.

you really think they care more about our 2nd than they do their own 1st? That's some pretty silly logic. Not that I think they're going to let us win, because I think this idea that teams care about their draft position during the season is a narrative only fans get caught up in, but if you're going with it, they would absolutely want to continue to lose to ensure they keep that 2nd overall pick and potentially move up to 1st overall if the Jets can squeak out a win somewhere

So why would the Jets win? Nice logic. See how that works. They control their destiny and all others.

The Jags have a cushion and they can beat us and have the 2nd seed because of the Bengals tie game. They will also help the 2nd rd pick from us. That is called a win win for them. They also know the Bengals won't go QB if that's what the Jags want. They may not.

I don't see the QBs as strong as others. In fact I only see 1 worthy of a top 10 pick. I also think things will change draft wise quite a bit from what people see it now. I doubt the top 5 QBs will stay in the order they are now. It's not like Fields and Lance are slam dunks to be 2 and 3 on the QB list.

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 2, 2020 8:39:10 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 1, 2020 20:31:57 GMT -6 PurpleKoolaid said:

Dec 1, 2020 20:25:24 GMT -6 ozzvic said:

Is Cousins below average not saying he's elite but lets break it down by division

AFC East

Dolphins- Tua/Fitzpatrick
Bills- Allen
Patriots- Cam
Jets- Darnald

I think besides Allen Cousins would be a upgrade

AFC North

Pitt- Roethlisberger
Bal- Jackson
Cle- Mayfield
Cin- Burrow(pre injury)

I'll say this is a wash because Ben is a HOF QB and the other 3 are young and seem to be good fits with their teams

AFC South

Indy- Rivers
Tenn- Tannehill
Hou- Watson
Jax- Minshew

Definitely a better QB then Tannehill & Minshew and might be better then Rivers now.

AFC West

Den- Lock
KC- Mahomes
LV- Carr
LA- Hubert

Would be better then Lock and i think would be a wash with Carr in terms they wouldn't be any better or worse if Cousins was there.

Thats at least 6-7 teams out of 16 he would be a upgrade on

NFC East

NYG- Jones
Dal- Dak/Dalton
Wash- Haskins/Smith
Philly- Wentz

Besides Dak he would be a upgrade i bet Washington wishes he was still there looking at how that division looks right now

NFC North

Pack- Rodgers
Minn- Cousins
Chi- Trubisky/Foles
Det- Stafford

He would be a upgrade on Chicago and i think him & Stafford are the same type of QB

NFC South

NO- Brees
Car- Teddy
ATL- Ryan
TB- Brady

Carolina would be better with Cousins and maybe even TB. Yes Brady is a HOF QB and might be the greatest ever but we're talking now. I think Cousins with Evens, Goodwin, AB and Gronk would do goid there too. Might even say that about Brees in NO too but I'll just say Carolina for sure

NFC West

Sea- Wilson
SF- Jimmy G
LA- Goff
Ari- Murray

Cousins is better then SF and Goff is great one week and horrible the next so it's not like Goff is that much better.

Thats about 6 or 7 teams out of the other 15 NFC teams that i think he would be a upgrade over.

By my estimation he's kinda above average not below but i welcome your opinion on this.

How many SBs has he been to? How many games has he won while playing against good team when the Vikings are losing? How many games has he been a leader, like Case was, where the fans love him. How many game has he played clutch football? Waiting for a response. Chose only the stats that fir your argument.

You mean Keenum who allowed NO to come back from a 17-0 halftime deficit because he threw two 2nd half picks and needed a 1 out of a 100 type of play who then the next week sh!t the bed vs philly with 4 turnovers?

I could say he lead us or put us in position to win vs Dallas & Seattle but the defense couldn't stop a final drive. Actually didnt Cousins give us 2 4th quarter leads. He moved the ball pretty good vs the pathers.

Since 2015 when he took over as a starter Brady won the SB 2x & Payton Manning, Foles and Mahomes won 1. I never said Cousins was elite but he's far from below average.

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 2, 2020 8:45:19 GMT -6 via mobile

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Dec 1, 2020 20:33:31 GMT -6 vikingpwr said:

Dec 1, 2020 19:08:48 GMT -6 vikingpitbull said:

The Jags actually have motivation to win. They get a better draft pick with each lose by the mighty Vikings.

Win or lose the Jets and the Jags look to be picking in the top 2 in April regardless what the rest of the league does the last 5 games.

As for us we need to go 5-0 or 4-1 to have any hope of the postseason.

Saw last night if we beat TB and both teams go 8-8 we're in and if we finish with the same record as Arizona at 9-7 we have to beat Detroit in wk17 because we'd then have a better record vs common opponents.

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Week 13 - Jags @ Vikings Support Group Dec 2, 2020 9:13:03 GMT -6

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Dec 2, 2020 9:08:03 GMT -6 legendsofthenorth said:

Glennon starting for Jags. I think that is a good thing for the Vikings

Jaguars coach Doug Marrone said Mike Glennon will start Week 13 against the Vikings.

Glennon will remain the starter after averaging 6.7 YPA and completing 57 percent of his passes in a loss to the Browns. Gardner Minshew (thumb) has been cleared to return, but the Jaguars are sticking with journeyman Glennon for another game.

Glennon played well enough for the Jags as they lost to the Browns 27-25, but it is a bit surprising to see Minshew stay on the bench. So much for Minshew mania, he's just another backup QB now.