Spielman - Why should he stick around?

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Jan 28, 2020 13:56:51 GMT -6

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Post by comet52 on Jan 28, 2020 13:56:51 GMT -6

Jan 28, 2020 13:41:32 GMT -6 Longship said:

Jan 28, 2020 13:00:50 GMT -6 comet52 said:

Rick was named g.m. in 2012. I know people like to make up stuff about how long he's been g.m. but I don't think Wilf thought of him as g.m. when his fantasy football t.o.a. had Wilf involved in football decisions.

In any case, the other fantasy is that g.m.'s "make picks". They break ties, they hire scouts, they oversee the process and in that and other ways are ultimately responsible for the record. But making picks in a consensus process. At best I'd say a good g.m. is like a conductor who gets the most out of the orchestra when it comes to draft day.

You're entitled to promote whatever narrative you want in order to support your contentions about Spielman's executive status, and you can even use words like "fantasy" and "make up".

But as long as Pro Football Reference says that you're full of crap (and it does), I won't bother to respond to your bizarre and pedantic re-framing of the draft process and results as something that Spielman is only peripherally attached to.

You sound angry.

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Jan 28, 2020 14:10:48 GMT -6

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Jan 28, 2020 13:56:51 GMT -6 comet52 said:

Jan 28, 2020 13:41:32 GMT -6 Longship said:

You're entitled to promote whatever narrative you want in order to support your contentions about Spielman's executive status, and you can even use words like "fantasy" and "make up".

But as long as Pro Football Reference says that you're full of crap (and it does), I won't bother to respond to your bizarre and pedantic re-framing of the draft process and results as something that Spielman is only peripherally attached to.

You sound angry.

You characterized facts backed by respected references as "fantasies". So if tone is suddenly important, maybe you could start with your oozing condescension.

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Jan 29, 2020 0:28:09 GMT -6

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Post by comet52 on Jan 29, 2020 0:28:09 GMT -6

Jan 28, 2020 14:10:48 GMT -6 Longship said:

Jan 28, 2020 13:56:51 GMT -6 comet52 said:

You sound angry.

You characterized facts backed by respected references as "fantasies". So if tone is suddenly important, maybe you could start with your oozing condescension.

You are ascribing things to me which are not things I feel. I simply don't care if PFF or anyone else says Rick was an imaginary g.m. when he wasn't named g.m. by the owner until 2012. I don't see why you have to spit venom about it. You're that same Jarl Jeger guy from the old board who used to lose his cool all the time and hurl personal insults aren't you? He used PFF and de facto g.m. arguments all the time. Come on, fess up.

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Apr 8, 2020 13:42:44 GMT -6 TAFKASP likes this

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Post by Funkytown on Apr 8, 2020 13:42:44 GMT -6

Redrafting 2015

1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Original pick: Jameis Winston
New pick: Danielle Hunter

7. Chicago Bears
Original pick: Kevin White
New pick: Stefon Diggs

12. Cleveland Browns
Original pick: Danny Shelton
New pick: Eric Kendricks

About Waynes:

11. Minnesota Vikings
Original pick: Trae Waynes
New pick: Byron Jones

The Vikings tabbed Waynes as the best corner in the draft and proved to be very wrong. With a do-over and Peters already off the board, Minnesota selects Jones, who just signed a massive $82-million contract with the Dolphins.

Link: www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1969266

Regardless, that 2015 still gets a lot of love. Let's hope he can nail 2020!

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Apr 8, 2020 15:04:48 GMT -6

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Apr 8, 2020 13:42:44 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Redrafting 2015

1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Original pick: Jameis Winston
New pick: Danielle Hunter

7. Chicago Bears
Original pick: Kevin White
New pick: Stefon Diggs

12. Cleveland Browns
Original pick: Danny Shelton
New pick: Eric Kendricks

About Waynes:

11. Minnesota Vikings
Original pick: Trae Waynes
New pick: Byron Jones

The Vikings tabbed Waynes as the best corner in the draft and proved to be very wrong. With a do-over and Peters already off the board, Minnesota selects Jones, who just signed a massive $82-million contract with the Dolphins.

Link: www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1969266

Regardless, that 2015 still gets a lot of love. Let's hope he can nail 2020!

With drafts like that I understand why some worship him and SpielGod!

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Apr 8, 2020 15:41:02 GMT -6 Funkytown likes this

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Apr 8, 2020 15:04:48 GMT -6 TAFKASP said:

With drafts like that I understand why some worship him and SpielGod!

What does your gut say about this draft? Does Ricky knock it out of the park and selects 12 starters?

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Apr 8, 2020 16:49:47 GMT -6 via mobile

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Apr 8, 2020 15:04:48 GMT -6 TAFKASP said:

Apr 8, 2020 13:42:44 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

Redrafting 2015

About Waynes:

Link: www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1969266

Regardless, that 2015 still gets a lot of love. Let's hope he can nail 2020!

With drafts like that I understand why some worship him and SpielGod!

im too lazy to look right now but i wonder how much guaranteed money the 2015 draft guys got on their 2nd contracts

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Post by wivikesfan on Apr 8, 2020 17:27:43 GMT -6

He has his share of whiffs but if there was someone that could be impartial and use legit data to come to conclusions, that research would put Rick in the top 10 of GMs.

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Apr 9, 2020 6:21:13 GMT -6

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Post by vikingbill on Apr 9, 2020 6:21:13 GMT -6

Rick is good at managing and manuvering the draft.

He or the scouts he put in place and his FA acquisitions on the OL has been an epic fail though by and large. Rick seems to value the skill position players way more than the trenches. The oline has been a constant problem throughout his tenure as GM.

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Apr 9, 2020 6:54:30 GMT -6 via mobile

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Apr 9, 2020 6:21:13 GMT -6 vikingbill said:

Rick is good at managing and manuvering the draft.

He or the scouts he put in place and his FA acquisitions on the OL has been an epic fail though by and large. Rick seems to value the skill position players way more than the trenches. The oline has been a constant problem throughout his tenure as GM.

I dont think remmers or reiff were bad signings. Remmers was a terrible guard but respectable at tackle and so is reiff. Linval was a homerun signing too.

If Bradbury ends up a bust that will be a major black eye though

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Post by slapnut19 on Apr 9, 2020 7:02:11 GMT -6

Reiff was a good signing he is just regressing. Oneil was a great draft pick. After one year Kalil was about as good as you expect. Seems to me spielman is really good at evaluating tackles. It's the interior positions that give him trouble

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Spielman - Why should he stick around? Apr 9, 2020 7:57:33 GMT -6

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Post by Funkytown on Apr 9, 2020 7:57:33 GMT -6

Apr 9, 2020 6:39:44 GMT -6 spence said:

Spielman is arguably the best GM in all of the NFL. I'm certain he will have another homerun draft this year as well

Only BosViking would argue that! *tongue*

The best, though? Maybe top 5-10.

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Apr 9, 2020 7:58:45 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

He turned a late 3rd into a backup RB? That tweet makes it seem like we made out with multiple starters when half of them aren’t even on the roster anymore.